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Cost of lockdown already £1,500,000 per 'life saved'
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Love will save the day
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Has anyone looked into the cost of days off and holidays? I reckon they cost 800,000,000,000 EVERY YEAR!
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Own goal thread
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it's a load of nonsense ..if a car isn't made and someone wants a car they will buy the car in August or whenever ,and if loads of people want cars then they can step up productions ...things are made well in advance ...tourist industry has taken a hit granted ...but then people coming here from abroad will come here again at a later date - simples
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Cost of few bombs dropped on Syrai...............Seems the Government always finds the money for a Regime change attempt
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Weve only lost a few months. If we work weekends and longer days we can make it back.
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from the lefts new hero doris
no tax rises no ni rises no vat rise triple lock pension stays spend,dpend,spend,happy days |
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*bangs head against wall*
Sort that facking bug out will you Betfair |
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Your cost figure seems incorrect... If UK "had just done social distancing " there would have been a significant cost anyway. No flights? No sport? Pubs? Restaurants? Shops? Transport? Hotels? Weddings? Holiday? Euro2020? The U.K.would have still had a large bill although probably significantly less than a 3 month "lockdown " Add to that the NHS would have been able to treat people if 5 times as many people needed help. And of course even with after timing is still guesswork as to how many would have died if we did very less social distancing. If the UK public could behave then could of been less strict. Can you believe there are still the shiny gas mob claiming Covid19 isn't real or downplaying the deadly virus to a normal winter flu season. They have let themselves down & let their country down. Still they have a nice new shiny hat ideal headwear for destroying UK telecommunications hardware. |
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The only thing to come out of this how much power the state now has over the feeble minded
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It is not clear if you have taken into account the cost I.e. Sweden's 7% when calculating your 300bn cost & if any of that cost is just delayed rather than lost forever. You can't honestly be comparing Sweden with UK. How does population density compare? London is a financial asset to UK in normal times. People travel from all over the planet to visit/do business. With a killer virus around people crammed onto a tube & hundreds of flights arriving at Heathrow is hardly an asset. Also I don't believe the UK public could behave. There would be birthday parties, family BBQ ,200 people at a funeral etc. Basically your figures for cost & lives saved are both suspect. I'm happy for country to open up if can keep number of Covid infections/deaths decreasing every week. We aren't going to get to zero cases , don't think it is unrealistic to expect number of deaths to be fewer than 50 a day. Unfortunately I have pretty much given up being able to go to a football match in 2020. |
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It should be your choice Mexico.. not the states
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Not sure anybody should have the choice to recklessly put people's health & lives at risk.
In same way speeding, drunk driving, spreading HIV etc. Even with the U.K. "Lockdown " been about 50k dead. Government hardly getting a gold star. Once they lost control of testing only weapon left was social distancing. What did UK gain by not closing down 10 days earlier- was Liverpool V Madrid a good idea, |
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Im not sure I understand what Mexico means by "behave". He may just do whatever he is told by the likes of Johnson and Hancock but some of us can think for ourselves.
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so can cummings
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Dow many under age of 40 have died?
Look it up - the answer is staggering...... |
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How much would we have saved if we hadn't gone into lockdown when the rest of the world did? A fraction of what we would have saved had the world carried on as normal. It would have cost us a fortune anyway.
Personally, I think the world should've carried on like Belarus, but the world didn't. The public wouldn't have accepted it. So we were screwed whatever. A few hundred thousand to give someone with dementia an extra 6 months seems a bit excessive imho. |
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hasn't cost the UK anything financially in the grand ponzi scheme of things , lives have been lost though
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The Lancet said there were 500,000 extra deaths from Cancer globally from the 2008 recession, so mebbe 5 million extra deaths globally from this just from cancer, and they won't be care homers with months left to live anyway. That's just cancer.
Jeff Bezos is worth $145,000,000,000 allegedly. Mebbe we should all stop buying from Amazon? |
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If we forged Jeff's will so he gave everything to the UK Treasury, and bumped him off, wecould reduce that debt by 40% at a stroke.
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Is that extra cancer deaths because they chose austerity that made
finances worse? The financial crisis didn't cause cancer |
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The financial crisis caused less investment in research, smaller budgets for the procurement of drugs, less investment for the training of doctors and nurses, smaller budgets for screening and diagnosis. It's not rocket science. And it's global so feck all to do with politics in the UK
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It's great that people now recognise austerity kills
Let's hope we don't get another tory government killing more brits via austerity. |
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"Nice will not approve drugs that cost more than its threshold of £20,000 to £30,000 per year of quality life, except for an end-of-life treatment – as this drug is – in which case the threshold rises to £50,000. But Nice believes nivolumab would cost between £66,000 to £75,000 per year of quality life."
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Austerity is a choice
Choose life |
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now what are we all to do ? when money's got a hold on you
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Using NICE (Natiaonal Institute for Health and Care) criteria, 1 year of life is worth £25k of expenditure. So at a cost of £300bn for 200,000 lives saved, that equates to 60 years per life. From the data on COVID-19 that is nearer 10 years on average. So I'd agree with the OP's sentiments. 6 times over budget, or rather 6 times as much life could be saved by not locking down globally.
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If they didn't pay furlough and saved billions there would
be lots more deaths of poor people for tories to celebrate |
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Accounts are evil. The Germans could not afford the cost of a bullet to kill undesirables. So they gassed people.
America will spend trillions in wars and say they cannot afford healthcare. While we Europeans can afford it. The USA tries to erode our health systems. With drugs bring hiked up in price. Trying to monetize a life. I avoid doctors. One surgeon wanted to take out my gall bladder five yrs ago. It's fine. I had one bad day of pain. It led to me spending two days in hospital. They pounce and see what they want to see sometimes. A cancer guy sees cancer. A heart guy sees irregular brats. I avoid them. |
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Why shouldn’t we question the cost of saving a life, isn’t that normal practice at the NHS.
Bristol boy forced to move to Holland after NHS refuses to pay for life-saving drug The American drugs company want more money than the NHS is willing to pay A boy from Bristol with a rare genetic disorder that is slowly killing him has had to move to the Netherlands this week so he can get access to a drug that could prolong his life. Max Sewart and his dad Simon travelled on Tuesday to set up home in Rotterdam, where Max can be treated for a rare type of Batten Disease, leaving mum Ivana and younger brother Felix back in Britain. The eight-year-old has become the victim of a stand-off between NHS drugs chiefs and the manufacturer of medication that can slow down the onset of Batten Disease, an extremely rare group of fatal, inherited disorders of the nervous system. NHS bosses in England are refusing to pay the asking price for the drug called cerliponase alfa, marketed as Brinuera, even though it is available in 20 other countries including Wales. It can reportedly slow down the progression of Batten disease and even stabilise it in cases. It's an absurd situation. It's bad enough with the diagnosis, but to have to do this nonsense too,” said Mr Sewart. “I feel so badly let down by the NHS - it's not what the service is about. "It's about looking after your society. Their negotiators are not humane people. The Sewarts’ MP, Jacob Rees Mogg, has backed their campaign, and raised their case - and those of other children - in the House of Commons several times. Last week, he did so again, demanding answers from the NHS and health ministers. “The terrible thing is that in the month that has passed since I first raised this matter in the House, Max’s condition will have slightly deteriorated, and in every month that goes on while we are debating this, not just Max but all the children with this condition will go downhill. That is what happens with this disease,” he told MPs last week. “Although I accept, of course, that there is a need to look at costs, when we are talking about eight-year-old children, we are not talking about a cost for people who only have weeks or months to live, but about a child who could have years of a high quality of life ahead of him. That must be where most of us as taxpayers think it is right to spend money and where we think that the moral case for spending money is extraordinarily strong,” he added. At the weekend, Mr Rees Mogg was one of hundreds who attended the village fete in East Harptree, which was this year held as a fundraiser for Max. READ MORE Funding stops for prescriptions to Slimming World and Weight Watchers Organised jointly between the school and the church, a record £5,000 was raised towards the public appeal, to help the family. Max and Felix's headteacher at the village primary school, Jane Bailey, said she was proud of the response from the village. The row over cost An NHS England spokeswoman said: “The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) have not recommended this drug, since British taxpayers simply cannot offer a blank cheque to this particular American pharmaceutical company BioMarin, who have sadly so far shown a complete lack of willingness to price their products fairly, as independently assessed by NICE." |
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If we see a 2nd wave lockdown detractors will own that 2nd wave.
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yeh but whats his views on Brexit
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So suddenly we're not so arsed about the science any more?
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