If you beleive that it exists it exists to you, you don"t have to prove that to someone else

Totally illogical. Something doesn't not exist because you don't want it to.


where did I say that, said the opposite, something only exists for sure if it's proven to exist, God doesn't exist because someone believes it exists, that's what's illogical, it either exists or it doesn't, you're either pregnant or your not, there's no in between.

If you beleive that it exists it exists to you, you don"t have to prove that to someone else

So what you are saying is that whatever people believe to be true, is true, because its true to them? we have fact checkers for a reason lol, something is either true or it's not true, again there is no in between.

Religious people have no proof God exists, a belief is not good enough.

As a gambler I believe in God.

It's a free shot at a place in heaven.

You are a bit dim dds.

You did indeed say: something only exists for sure if it's proven to exist, God doesn't exist because someone believes it exists

If you understand anything about logic then the counter to this must also be true i.e. Something doesn't not exist because you don't want it to.

'Forgive darren for he knows not what he is saying'

Denzil chapter 23 verse 34

I agree with that Charlie, I never disagreed with that. But that is moving away from Mukhudan's first point which is what I am addressing, he said that if someone believes God exists then God does exist, which is an illogical thought pattern, by all means have the belief, but you can't state he does exist as mukhadan did, when in fact it's completely unproven.

Both statements are equally correct:

God exists because you believe he does.
God doesn't exist because you believe he doesn't.

So what is your point/

Statements such as 40% of PHD students believe in a deity and laughably then saying "Christians higher , atheists lower" … (who would of thought people that don't believe in God would be lower) and then stating " We all started out as atheists" when people are born into religious families brainwashed from a young age confirms the OP is a simpleton.

I think the OP is on the windup, if not, serious questions have to be asked why someone who possesses the IQ of a lobotomised goldfish is allowed to open a betting account as surely a basic intelligence above that of a pot plant is required to responsibly manage money online

dds
Yes you seem to have got the point.

Jesus Himself said that you need faith, this implies that he who seeks proof of God's existence has no faith. It also implies that proof shall not be given. i.e. if God exists, He could easily prove he exists to mankind, but he's deliberately hiding so to speak, to find out who has faith in Him or not.

Doesn't seem a very fair method of assessing someone's eligability to enter the Kindom of Heaven after passing over, imo.

I don't believe in God.

dds
Nobody said God exists because it was proven.

mukdahan said: If someone believes in something then it exists to them so yes God exists.

Which for you wasn't good enough and then you went astray.

Some people think the Universe is a simulation, if so we might see a 'game over' appear when we die and just take our VR helmets off when we're transported back to our real home, Heaven (or hell)

dds
Nobody said God exists because it was proven.

mukdahan said: If someone believes in something then it exists to them so yes God exists.

Which for you wasn't good enough and then you went astray.


he said that If someone believes in something then it exists to them so yes God exists.

but no it doesn't, this is factually incorrect and illogical, that was the only point I was making. A belief does not make something real/proven unless it is actually real/proven, and the proven is relevant because it would have to be proven if you are saying that it exists, which he did under the circumstances that somebody merely believes it to be true. If you say something is real instead of saying you  believe something is real when it is unproven to be real, then you are not of a sane mind.

That isn't the right question to ask ...

The right question is  ..Are the people who believe in God happier (and better citizens) than they would be if if they didn't believe in God ?

The thread is entitled " why atheists are deluded/demented" and now we are discussing if people are happier or " better citizens" whatever that's supposed to mean if they believe in God. It doesn't vindicate a stance subscribing to religious people being saner or superior to atheists because they open their curtains every morning with a gormless smile whistling **** by yah my lord

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Divination is randomly picking an outcome. Like throwing a dart at racing form. Anglo sacon witchcraft uses it. Scribeing. One symbol they use is infinity. The satanic cross. The leviathan cross. This is the mark of the beast.  666 is the number of a man. A recurring number. Like 888. A number symbolizing forever . Infinity is a conceptual idea of man. The universe has boundaries.

In Hebrew the letters are linked to numbers. As is the Greek language. In recent yrs we use hexadecimal in computers. In Hebrew six means man. Seven is god.  The bible uses sevens to authenticate the text.  Seven letter nouns used. Adverbs. 7 letter verbs. 7 letter propDr nouns. .... In some cases.. Seventy conditions.  That is compound odds of 7 to the power of seventy. The entire bible is formatted in this way. Write a sentence with seventy letters, divisible by seven. Using nouns with seven letters. Verbs. Proper nouns. (four conditions)  If you manage that. Add a story. Add a plot. It's writing with a level of complexity. We read the bible in English. Not Hebrew. Greek. Precise languages. That sir Isaac knew. Mathematically it's an accumulator. One chapter with seventy conditions is seventy horses in a row . 7x7x7x7x7 etc.  Ivan Palin was a mathematician, an agnostic. Until he investigated the bible after he wondered why in gospel of John the lettering structure was strange. In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.  He wondered why the word for 'the' in Greek proceeded the word for 'god' in one case and not the other.  He investigated it for fifty yrs. Wrote to newspapers in USA. He wrote books. Died in 1943 . Not divisible by seven?   It's been estimated it would take millions of the best supercomputers trillions of years to lay out this type of formatting . Werr the authors of the bible aware all this was there when they wrote it down? They had the holy spirit guiding them.god himself. Jesus confirms that. I will send you the comforter to bring all things into remembrances. John 14,26.   How can a book written by shepherds.fishermen. Physician and illiterate typed transform society?. The big question is why? Israel was levelled in 66-70 ad. No mmention of that in bible. Therefore written pre destruction. Paul was very polite about the romans.  Israel destroyed land renamed Palestine by Rome.  1,878 yrs later it's back. 
Maths a real science proves Jesus is god. Mot a fuzzy warm feeling. Not I wish Jesus was ggod. I hope. Solid facts say Jesus is god. Only ignorance of the maths and the complexity of the bible structure means we Hagee an excuse. There is no excuse. Your court case is this life. job the prophet was tested. We also under go the same.  You condemn yourself. God condemns no one. You choose not to like god, to love what he did to be closer to you. Hevhung on a cross. His blood spilling out. At any moment he could have said enough. He forgave us. He completed the task. One of 360 plus. A roman pierced his side. Between the ribs. Blood and water pored out. Spilling on the ground. Emanuel the second Adam. Adams blood was spilled making eve? Why did god make eve from Adams rib. The rib is the only bone  in body that can regrow. An expert surgeon can remove a rib. Leaving the sheath behind. A new rib regrows into the empty sheath. Quite a coincidence. Adams blood falls to the ground. He gets a wife. A bride.   Jesus the bridegroom Matt 9.14. Gets a bride. We who love him. Christians.  He is the groom preparing the betrothed chamber. Many mansions. John 14,2. When all is prepared. He comes for us.  We are in love. A family. Not a religion. You nuts on earth are religious. No religion in heaven. Only a family. We are sons to the almighty. Corrupt on earth. Incorruptible in heaven. You remain flesh we ascend to god. Our father and brother and teacher is God. Jesus our brother is our high priest and king. .. You choose the world. It's lies and pale imitations. Example one. Muhammad. He tells his followers Jesus is a prophet. That he did not die on cross. 600 years after the event? He tries to negate Christ. He speaks to an angel for over twenty yrs. (Satan or Gabriel?) he says gods message was distorted by Jews and  Christians.  So god is incapable?  If I look at Shakespeare and say this four hundred yr old text is all wrong? I will correct it and change parts of it? Then I would be rightly called a plagiarist and loon. Muhammad was not foretold. He married a six yr old girl. Comsumated the marriage when she was nine.   1.8 billion people identify with a nonce.  A man who tortured villagers for gold. He massacred entire villages. Totally venal. He was poisoned by something he ate in a village he raided.  The bible tells it's readers false prophets die by poison.  Jeremiah 23.15

God gets a lot of flack for stopping Human Sacrifice in bible. Richard Dawkins calls him a monster. God teold the Jews take out the tribes in the land I'm giving to you. The sacrifice to Baal and Satan. Children murdered. Is it wrong to allow children to be sacrificed. ... Historians on BBC a few months ago discussed child sacrifices in Greece . Bethany Hughes and sone pasty white guy. The carthaginians . One group. The Romans did it. Mayans. Aztecs. The pawnee is recorded too. So would the tribes of the middle east kill their children. Would you tolerate it in your land?.   Is god a monster Mr Dawkins or are we?   Genocide of mmillions. Not some wicked tribes. Longmeat. Cannibalism.    When the jews strayed and worshipped false gods and sacrificed people. The chosen ppeople were captured by Babylon. God punished them.  Restored seventy years later-19.  mirrored by 1948 + 19. 1967. 

Last week on news a father in Syria said. His two young sons were kidnapped off street. Months passed. They found the boys heads. He said what kind of people could do this.. It's never been like this?.  Yes it has.