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Do we need Lockdown?
Do we need Lockdown?
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7 years ago today Drummer Lee Rigby was butchered by an Islamist on our streets
3 years ago today 22 concert goers were butchered by an Islamist More chance of being murdered by fanatical nutjobs than coronovirus. |
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That is not true!
Another lie by an imbecile! |
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Unfortunately the Government just dies not know what it is doing. It has not thrown us into the worst financial crisis since the 1930’s
Save the NHS or save themselves? They sacrificed the old people so their neglect of the NHS would not be highlighted. Now they have sacrificed the economy and fir what? More people will die because of their actions than of the Corona virus over the long run. |
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Pish!
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what he said
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I don't think the Lockdown should continue and don't think we should not have had it in the first place..
There is no reason we cannot keep wearing masks and distancing..... But to wreck our economy as well is insane.... |
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coronavirus lockdowns have failed to alter the course of the pandemic but have instead 'destroyed millions of livelihoods', a JP Morgan study has claimed.
Falling infection rates since lockdowns were lifted suggest that the virus 'likely has its own dynamics' which are 'unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures', a report published by the financial services giant said. Author Marko Kolanovic, a trained physicist and a strategist for JP Morgan, said governments had been spooked by 'flawed scientific papers' into imposing lockdowns which were 'inefficient or late' and had little effect. 'Unlike rigorous testing of new drugs, lockdowns were administered with little consideration that they might not only cause economic devastation but potentially more deaths than Covid-19 itself,' he claimed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347635/Lockdowns-failed-alter-course-pandemic-JP-Morgan-study-claims.html |
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Lockdown done more damage that good.
Neil Ferguson and his backers got a lot to answer for. The problem is that is extremely hard for scientists and politicians to admit they got this totally wrong. Countries that have not allowed their fit and young members of their population to be exposed to this could be in for bad consequences later. |
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Neil Ferguson and his backers got a lot to answer for.
I disagree completely Advisers advise, Ministers decide. How many other scientists were involved? Why did the Government believe this guy with his track record? Who has a lot to answer for IT? |
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What a selfish and ignorant thread? The lockdown has saved lives even the very young. But for it I'm 100% certain the death toll of all ages will be higher regardless of the rates of contraction/death have on individual age group because the spread and contraction rates will be higher (not lower) given the way these virus infect others. If in doubt just ask the NHS staff at hospitals who advised the public to stay at home.
Sometimes it's best to say nothing and not advertised one's selfishness and ignorance. |
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Since only 3 young healthy people have died I dont think the lockdown has saved many young lives. It has of course delayed the deaths of plenty of people who have had their time by a few months.
Once you consider the worldwide implications of 80 million kids not getting important vaccinations and estimates that 1.3 million more people will die of TB in the next five years and countless other side effects of lockdowns its clearly wrong to suggest the policy has saved lives. |
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Another one wrong in his ignorance.
Why didn’t we lock down sooner? Why were planes coming in with the virus from China, Milan, Madrid, New York and people who had been skiing in Austria for MONTHS? The late lockdown far from saving lives has cost tens of thousands already and will costs tens of thousands more from non corona virus related causes. Sometimes it's best to say nothing and not advertised one's selfishness and ignorance. Not completely as dumb as you appear  |
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They do irony bypass on the national elf whisperingbob.
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Anyone who hates the lockdown enjoy https://lockdownsceptics.org/. Despite the dire predictions of the lockdown fanatics Sweden is doing ok and ditto Belarus where the president said vodka and a sauna was enough. How many lives lost due to lack of cancer treatment, mental health problems etc?
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Mental health will come after this is done, once we have to be screened and scanned and beeped and blipped just to get into a supermarket
That's when you'll see people losing their minds  |
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Sweden doing ok
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Sweden and Belarus didn't participate in it to be fair to them
We on the other are a disgrace, an utter joke |
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Sont
It is clear from your previous posts that you would like as many people to die as possible. Each to their own I guess, if you get off on people suffering then so be it. Clearly you would prefer there wasn't any lockdown as that would result in more deaths & you would be happy. Very strange behaviour Sont. Have you discussed your opinions with medical professionals? I personally believe that social distancing has saved many lives. |
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Saved lives in the very short term yes. Over a year maybe not. Over 3 years almost definitely not.
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Sorry flush I have great difficulty working out when you are serious, taking the pith, being ignorant or stupid or just plain nasty.
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Dot
Where on Earth are you getting your data about deaths from UK has already had about 50k excess deaths since March (about 35K confirmed) , Even with "lockdown " Without it would be multiples more , would be counting hundreds of thousands. Why do you think they would all have died in next 3 years? I suspect they would all have died in tge next 100 years but zero evidence provided dot that these hundreds of thousands of people are "due" to die in next 36 months. You clearly have data from a powerful source. Still no need for a link to your evidence, Maybe the son of God Icke told you? He should know. |
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It hasn't saved any lives, the people who got ill and died would have died anyway
They have used death to scare people into giving up their consent to be tagged and tracked Anyone who still can't see this by now is beyond help They now want to end clapping for carers and NHS workers, so your 15 minutes of fame is over now get back to working your fingers to the bone for next to nothing Everyone wanted a piece of that as well didn't they, even had shop keepers doing the silly dances on "tik tok"... they've been played and the cost of it will become apparent over the next decade Another decade of "austerity" |
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Whisperingdeath
22 May 20 19:27 Joined: 25 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 27,589 | Blogger: Whisperingdeath's blog Neil Ferguson and his backers got a lot to answer for. I disagree completely Advisers advise, Ministers decide. How many other scientists were involved? Why did the Government believe this guy with his track record? Who has a lot to answer for IT? ^ I agree with much of what you say. There needs to be a public inquiry into how Ferguson got so much influence, the role of big pharma/the jabbers in all this and why the other sensible scientists were ignored. |
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the lockdown has helped millions get fit / loose weight/get vitamin d / enjoy weeks on end of sunshine /tidy house garden etc ...its been a net gain
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the general economy is of no relevance to the working man ... if there's riches you don't see them ,and the same in reverse... money only affects the wealthy ...working conditions and health affect the poor more
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lose
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Everyone will pay for the months of holiday taken by the furloughed few.
The total bill will be hundreds of billions and we will all be paying for it going forward for a decade plus. Add to that the extra cancer deaths, heart disease deaths and all the rest of it and the costs of the lockdown in cash and health is going to be like nothing we have ever seen before. Going to be horrific. |
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Ferguson got a lot of "influence" because he's the perfect fall guy, when people get wise to it he can be blamed along with 2 or 3 of the other lower ranking ministers bobs your uncle
"blame game" gets played, years of "enquiries" whereby not one of the little bas*ards sees a day in prison, big fat pay off to boot They've been doing it for decades, different psyop same silly games being played  Its quite something they manage to pull it off time after time |
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Sont
What are you on about Every single human on Earth would die anyway at some time King Charles & Sir/St Thomas More would have died anyway but the general consensus is that having their heads removed from their bodies reduced their life expectancy. Maybe you disagree Sont? So would these hundreds of thousands of people saved by lockdown all die in next couple of weeks or Maybe we can agree that they will all be dead in next hundred years? Many lives have been saved by social distancing - it is such a simple concept, it is a shame you can't understand the science behind it Sont. |
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Mexico theres no need to get excitable about what ive said. I will happily discuss it with you on a rational basis. References to Icke are rather pathetic frankly.
Ive given a couple examples above regarding TB/ Child vaccinations but theres plenty more out there from reputable sources regarding 10's or even 100's millions across the world who could be pushed towards starvation due to economic problems. Closer to home the huge drop in cancer referrals signals lots of deaths in coming years and I think everyone accepts that poverty cuts life expectancy significantly. Theres a mass of things that will kill people over the next few years because of this. Dont forget at least a third of the deaths in UK are above 85. How long do you expect these people to live especially ones in care homes. (theres stats for that as well). |
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They get caught, they do their little "enquiries" which take years
But we all still get the stuff they wanted to implement in the first place |
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Mex
Death is inevitable, its the only certainty in life We all die at some point, makes no difference if its a plane crash or a virus does it |
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Social distancing has achieved fack all mex and you know it
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Dot
Still zero evidence that they would all be dead in 3 years posted. Maybe you don't have any evidence? Perhaps only God or the Son of God knows when we will each die? Please post some evidence that the hundreds of thousands of people saved will all die within 36 months. |
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Sont
Social distancing has saved many lives - I am sorry that you want death and suffering. |
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Mexico
22 May 20 20:51 Joined: 25 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 6,468 | Blogger: Mexico's blog Sont What are you on about Every single human on Earth would die anyway at some time King Charles & Sir/St Thomas More would have died anyway but the general consensus is that having their heads removed from their bodies reduced their life expectancy. Maybe you disagree Sont? So would these hundreds of thousands of people saved by lockdown all die in next couple of weeks or Maybe we can agree that they will all be dead in next hundred years? ^ Is is very likely that 'lockdown' will cost far more lives that it will save... + Cancer deaths will go up + Heart disease deaths will go up + Mental health deaths will go up + Money for the NHS will fall so deaths will go up + Jobs will decline as well as wages so standard of living will drop and deaths will go up And the consensus now is that just with sensible social distancing and shielding the vulnerable deaths would have been much lower than blanket lockdown where the panic of the Ferguson report led hospitals being cleared and carehomes being infected. |
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I will Mexico immediately below your evidence that 100s of thousands have been saved.
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Dot
You mention Cancer. Cancer care in UK is pretty average- we can save lives if we want . A combination of better health care (maybe not NHS) and some "nudge" lifestyle changes. We are fat lazy drinkers in UK. Smoking has decreased but still a fair few cancer sticks consumed each year. |
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Dot
Between 35 & 55k of people have died of this virus in U.k avec social distancing. Under 10% have had virus So what do you think would happen if no social distancing- still 10% infection rate? Still "only" 50k dead? Plus the various scientific modelling & looking at death raypte in other countries. Yep God - time for you to provide evidence that these 65 years old wold be dead in 36 months. |