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Covid-19 coronavirus: Controversial bill passed to enforce alert level 2 powers ( New Z Herald.)

A bill giving police sweeping powers to potentially enter homes without warrants while enforcing Covid-19 alert level rules has passed.

The Covid-19 Public Health Response Bill was rushed through Parliament in time for alert level 2 but came under intense scrutiny from the Opposition.

It passed 63 votes in favour with 57 against.

The National Party and Act didn't support the bill, saying it was an overreach of powers, distrusted New Zealanders and didn't allow for orders to have proper scrutiny.

But the Government said it was necessary to ensure the continued fight against Covid-19 and created more accountability, not less.

The Human Rights Commission said it was "deeply concerned" about the lack of scrutiny of the bill and its rushed process "is a great failure of our democratic process".

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The law sets up the legal framework for future alert levels as there is no longer a State of Emergency. It effectively allows the Health Minister to issue an order that would make alert level rules legally enforceable.

That might include, for example, the ability for police or "enforcement officers" to close certain premises or roads, ban certain types of travel or congregations, or require people to be physically distant or to stay at home in their bubbles if necessary.

It also would allow warrantless searches of private property if there was a reasonable belief that the alert level rules were being broken.

It is the first Covid-related legislation that hasn't had the support of all the political parties.

The bill was tweaked at the committee stage this morning.

At the request of the Māori Council, the specific reference to marae was removed and the Government added the requirement a warrantless search be reported to the relevant marae committee.

Attorney-General David Parker said it was written into the bill with the intention of providing more protection.

"It's actually something that doesn't take away protections; it actually adds them. But nonetheless, Māoridom don't want that. They want to be the same as non-Māoridom in respect of those premises," Parker said.

The original two-year sunset clause has been mitigated by an amendment to see the legislation refreshed every 90 days, or longer if required.

But the National Party still opposed the bill.

National MP Gerry Brownlee said it "puts far too much power in the hands of one person: the Prime Minister" because there was also no mention of what advice she needed to make a decision.

Education Minister Chris Hipkins said when Brownlee brought in legislation that curtailed civil liberties after the Canterbury Earthquakes, he felt uncomfortable voting for it but "it was the right thing to do".

National also wanted to the bill amended to also allow people to gather in groups of up to 100 and for Opposition consultation on orders.

Opposition leader Simon Bridges yesterday called the 10-person limit on gatherings "inhumane", especially in respect of funerals and places of worship.

The National Party today launched a petition for Parliament to reject the 10-person limit.

Today, the Government backed down on the limits on tangihanga and funerals and allowed funeral directors a special dispensation to allow up to 50 people to attend.

On the Covid-19 Public Health Response Bill, Act leader David Seymour said despite voting for it in its first and second reading, he couldn't support it in the final stage.

The bill failed to balance the rights and freedoms and overall welfare of all New Zealanders with the Government's effort to control Covid-19, he said.

"I have tried to work constructively to limit the power of the director general, making a democratically elected minister the only person with the power to issue long term orders, but the Government voted against that."

Parker argued the powers under the Covid-19 Bill are "actually narrower than the powers under the Health Act" which was why the Government had created a whole new framework.

There's also been a criticism of how quickly the bill had rushed through the House.

Ahead of its third reading, Justice Minister Andrew Little said he appreciated this wasn't how laws were meant to be made but the times were extraordinary.

But the bill would ensure New Zealand moved down alert levels, Little said.

Chief Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt called the lack of scrutiny and rushed process for the bill "a great failure of our democratic process".

The Human Rights Commission was "strongly of the view" the legislation should include a provision to ensure those making decisions, and exercising powers, under the new law, would do so in accordance with national and international human rights commitments and Te Tiriti o Waitangi, Hunt said.

"In times of national emergency sweeping powers are granted. There is a risk of overreach. Mistakes are made and later regretted. This is precisely when our national and international human rights and Te Tiriti commitments must be taken into account."

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By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 13 May 20 17:49
Very close vote there as well. Interesting fall out from this i suspect Confused
By:
Hanx
When: 13 May 20 18:35
Jacinda Ardern is now the right-on folk's new wet dream of a leader, since Trudeau disappeared up his own virtue-signalling rabbit hole.

She took decisive action and closed borders before Coronavirus got a toe-hold in the country with the resulting minimisation of loss of life

.....just like pinko-liberals like Viktor Orban and Benjamin Netanyahu did in their respective countries
By:
Baphornet
When: 13 May 20 18:35
the girl cannae do no wrong
By:
Hanx
When: 13 May 20 18:36
Seemingly merely because she is 'a girl'
By:
Baphornet
When: 13 May 20 18:38
could be; but even that may be debatable
By:
Mexico
When: 13 May 20 19:17
New Zealand are doing everything correctly with regards to Covid.

21 deaths & under 20 new cases a week. They have a chance to completely eliminate the killer virus from their country.
Come July there is every chance life will be close to "normal "

So Herny another very long fun n paste

So which country do you believe has handled the crisis best out of
UK, NZ, USA, Germany , Russia.

In my opinion it is New Zealand.
By:
Baphornet
When: 13 May 20 19:19
China
By:
wondersobright
When: 13 May 20 20:20
belarus
By:
tobermory
When: 13 May 20 20:22
North Korea

Deaths 0
Cases 0
By:
tobermory
When: 13 May 20 20:23
Mex, do you not consider that New Zealand being one of the most isolated places in the world is a rather big factor ?
By:
politicspunter
When: 13 May 20 20:26

May 13, 2020 -- 8:23PM, tobermory wrote:


Mex, do you not consider that New Zealand being one of the most isolated places in the world is a rather big factor ?


If you mean isolated as in they are an island, well yes.

By:
wondersobright
When: 13 May 20 20:27
NZ is sparsely populated comparative to most other countries
By:
tobermory
When: 13 May 20 20:28
Isolated as in an island with a fraction of the foreign visitors that UK,France,Italy have...
By:
politicspunter
When: 13 May 20 20:50
Yep, if you closed your borders as New Zealand did, acting immediately..
By:
saddo
When: 13 May 20 20:53
I think Caldey Island escaped the carnage also.
By:
Hanx
When: 13 May 20 21:38
The most successful countries will be those that get out of lockdown the quickest with the least damage to the economy and the wider society.

New Zealand may have prevented the spread of the virus but that means it will have to stay isolated as there are so few with exposure and they may be more vulnerable when the virus comes back round mutated, which all viruses do.

Those countries or cities with the 'worst' death/infection rate will weather a 2nd wave better. All leaders can only act on scientific advice and that depends on whether they have chosen the right scientist to listen to.
By:
jucel69
When: 13 May 20 21:43

May 13, 2020 -- 9:38PM, Hanx wrote:


The most successful countries will be those that get out of lockdown the quickest with the least damage to the economy and the wider society. New Zealand may have prevented the spread of the virus but that means it will have to stay isolated as there are so few with exposure and they may be more vulnerable when the virus comes back round mutated, which all viruses do. Those countries or cities with the 'worst' death/infection rate will weather a 2nd wave better. All leaders can only act on scientific advice and that depends on whether they have chosen the right scientist to listen to.


Exactly, there will be no vaccine. There has never been a cure for a coronavirus

Get on with it and get infected, that should be the govt sloganLaugh

No point faffing about like this just because the political optics are bad re herd immunity.

By:
foxy
When: 13 May 20 21:49
Tobermory

The probable reason that North Korea has no deaths and no cases is that anybody who coughs or sneezes is shot.
By:
jucel69
When: 13 May 20 21:53

May 13, 2020 -- 9:49PM, foxy wrote:


Tobermory The probable reason that North Korea has no deaths and no cases is that anybody who coughs or sneezes is shot.


same in China

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 13 May 20 23:07
If a vaccine never happens they will have to remain isolated forever.

With a population of just over 4 million they might save a couple of thousand lives after the next few years by doing this.
By:
Baphornet
When: 13 May 20 23:09
over 70s throwing walking framss through walls over here
By:
Baphornet
When: 13 May 20 23:11
the governments got about a month to decide what to do with the "shielded"
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 07:54
Watch this get rolled out all over the world. This is a blueprint. Canada next Confused
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 07:58
Mexico13 May 20 18:17Joined: 25 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 6,443 | Blogger: Mexico's blog
New Zealand are doing everything correctly with regards to Covid.

21 deaths & under 20 new cases a week. They have a chance to completely eliminate the killer virus from their country.
Come July there is every chance life will be close to "normal "

So Herny another very long fun n paste

So which country do you believe has handled the crisis best out of
UK, NZ, USA, Germany , Russia.

In my opinion it is New Zealand.


FOOL.You have no idea what is going on do you ? Sorry that is not a question i need you to answer. It is obvious from all of your previous input on here that you are totally clueless Crazy

Enjoy Your Daze. Love
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 08:44
Oh my.. Now it begins to add up.

Government announces $50 million support package for NZ media industry. Full story here. @ 1 news new zealand.  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-announces-50-million-support-package-nz-media-industry


A worrying paragraph from the report.

A second support package is also being developed and will be submitted for the Covid-19 Budget discussions in May. Mr Faafoi says the first phase of support will not be sufficient to see the sector through the “prolonged period of restrictions and reduced advertising”.

He says Government will continue to work with media organisations to make sure assistance is targeted and appropriate.

New Zealand’s media sector is one of three that has been given a specific amount of funding to get it through the Covid-19 pandemic, outside of the wage subsidy. Both primary health care and aviation have also received funding.

So in effect the Government have " bought the media " and in addition pledged a further bung out if they toe the official line.

Everyone getting it yet ?
By:
Reynard
When: 14 May 20 09:05
Anybody who hasn't got it by now probably never will Crazy
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 09:07
@Reynard Still a minority that do m8 as you well know. Cry
By:
Reynard
When: 14 May 20 09:31
As selfish as it may sound I couldn't give a damn about the majority . If they cannot open their eyes for themselves then as far as I'm concerned they deserve what's coming Plain
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 09:41
If we all refused to comply with the nonsense what could they do ?

The majority are sleep walking into vax central
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 10:34
The people at the top never waste a 'good' crisis to increase their powers.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 10:55
Especially if they create one
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 11:25
Henry

I believe I do know what is going on & it is you & the rest of the shiny-hat mob who struggle with science, evidence, education. You won't find "The Truth" in a David's Icke video.

New Zealand have been very successful in handling this crisis. I agree with previous poster that geography has helped NZ but they closed borders & went to lockdown when a relatively low number of cases in the country. UK doesn't have an isolation period for people arriving from abroad- NZ (&oz) have pretty much stopped all outside arrivals.

Henry you constantly abuse anybody who disagrees with you but never clearly explain what your beliefs are.

You hide behind pages and pages of evidence free cut n paste waffle.

You couldn't even answer which one of those countries you thought were handling this problem the best. You seemed more interested in abuse.


Do you even believe there is a covid19 virus? 
Do you believe a shiny hat is a good replacement for a lack of education?

Well done New Zealand.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 11:30
Mexico,

How long do you think NZ will have to stay isolated from the outside world?
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 14 May 20 11:37
Trader.. A tip for you my friend. Do not engage with that serial buffoon called mexico. If the narrative told him the year was 1066 he would believe it. Total imbecile.
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 11:44
They can still trade & ship goods in & out.

Chance travel to & from Oz could happen soon.


Full open up to allow people in (without 2 weeks in isolation) is a how long is a piece of string question. Without vaccine, really quick test or cure then a long time.
Really the only people who would be prepared to go 2 weeks in isolation will be those who want to stay for months/years.

Plenty of trade can be conducted with other countries without people physically meeting each other. So in that sense they won't be isolated from the "outside world "

If as some as people on here claim (with zero or very little evidence) that the virus either does not exist or isn't very dangerous then NZ can open up once the facts are known.

The NZ government have handled this crisis well (IMO) - would you not agree IT.
By:
Mexico
When: 14 May 20 11:48
Henry

You clearly were "engaging " with me earlier today.

Now you offer rude "advice " to IT - a case of "do as I say not as I do" - don't you have a 2000 word cut n paste waffle to hide behind Henry?

I noticed you are unable to answer really simple questions about your own beliefs about this virus.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 14 May 20 11:54
perhaps the kiwis will copy the austrians who have a test (cost about £165) available to those entering the country keen to avoid the 14 day quarantine period, the results take a few hours to arrive.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/05/03/vienna-airport-offers-arrivals-covid-19-test-to-avoid-quarantine/
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 11:56
Time will tell.

If a vaccine never comes and you need 10-20% to build up immunity to protect the population they will get it eventually unless they stay quarantined for a long time.

American Samoa successfully did this during the Spanish Flu and had zero deaths whilst the New Zealand run Western Samoa lost a fifth of its population. I am guess NZ learnt from their actions 100 years ago and over reacted this time to something that is not anything like as dangerous as the Spanish Flu.

https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/how-american-samoa-kept-pandemic-bay
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 May 20 12:00
What is deeply shocking is that countries like Denmark, Hungary and New Zealand are extending the powers of the state in dreadful ways against the civil liberties of their people in the name of protecting them from themselves.

This is very dangerous and never in history has ended well.

Trust the people and rule by consent.
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