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By:
Cider
When: 15 May 20 17:34
It's difficult to understand how you consider it a debate? Just one example. So some people have carers visit their home daily out of necessity, due to for example being infirm or disabled. They need to be washed, fed, lifted etc. How do you think those carers get to other peoples' homes to deliver this necessary care?
By:
A_T
When: 15 May 20 18:02
Rees Mogg and Starmer the most competent politicians we have imo

the most responsibility Moggie's ever had was working out Nanny's annual increase to her stipend
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 13:22
'feigned ignorance'

Didn't take the pm long to completely nail captain forensic then Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 13:54
Starmer having his questions answered by Hancock was the best bit.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 14:08
Nope, the best bit was definitely captain forensic being put back in his box.
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 14:16
Lol, what coverage were you watching? Here is Boris with his ventriloquist Hancock...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52733676

Go to 13.28.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 14:40
Thanks for the link, I try not to use the bbc website wherever possible. In this instance I watched PMQ's live. in full so there is no need.
By:
geordie1956
When: 20 May 20 14:59
'feigned ignorance'

Didn't take the pm long to completely nail captain forensic then


You must have a very poor image of the fat buffoon if you think that qualifies as a success
By:
duffy
When: 20 May 20 15:20
The speaker mugged Johnson off when he brought it to everyone's attention that Hancock was trying to prompt him.Laugh
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 15:37

May 20, 2020 -- 2:59PM, geordie1956 wrote:


'feigned ignorance'Didn't take the pm long to completely nail captain forensic thenYou must have a very poor image of the fat buffoon if you think that qualifies as a success


I wouldn't anticipate you agreeing with that interpretation to be fair Grin

Starmer was quite rattled and put off (the truth hurts), to argue the opposite could be described as, well, feigning ignorance Laugh

By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 15:40
You must have been watching a different PMQ.
By:
duffy
When: 20 May 20 15:47
Starmer won the day rightly enough but he did appear a bit confused for one brief moment when Johnson had a go about his negativity and he replied that 35,000 wasn't neg..er is negative.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 15:47
Most of the recent ones Corbyn was asking the questions on behalf of the opposition, difference was he wasn't feigning Laugh
By:
duffy
When: 20 May 20 15:50
I don't understand how his aides think that it is a good look for Johnson always to appear as if he's just been dragged through a hedge backwards, is it an attempt to portray him as a sleeves rolled up getting down and dirty with the ordinary man on the street sort of thing.Confused
By:
edy
When: 20 May 20 15:51
Ordinary men over 25 have that kind of hairdo in the UK?
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 15:52
Ray Allan Hancock did a fair job of operating Lord Snooty though.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 15:52

May 20, 2020 -- 3:50PM, duffy wrote:


I don't understand how his aides think that it is a good look for Johnson always to appear as if he's just been dragged through a hedge backwards, is it an attempt to portray him as a sleeves rolled up getting down and dirty with the ordinary man on the street sort of thing.


One could hardly say it has been unsuccessful approach to his political career so far. Whether you agree with his politics or not.

By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 15:57
Boris, like most Western leaders apart from Trump, enjoyed high opinion poll ratings in the first few weeks of the virus situation. He is being found out now though, his approval ratings are in freefall and the last poll I saw had Starmer more popular than him.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 May 20 16:05
Starmer forces Johnson to say track and trace will be up and running 1 june.


1 hour after pmqs it is confirmed the tracing app being developed by Cummings mate
Will not be ready


If that's a good look for Johnson then some folk are easy pleased.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 16:06

May 20, 2020 -- 3:57PM, politicspunter wrote:


Boris, like most Western leaders apart from Trump, enjoyed high opinion poll ratings in the first few weeks of the virus situation. He is being found out now though, his approval ratings are in freefall and the last poll I saw had Starmer more popular than him.


They remain higher than they were before the crisis started, in fact he had some negative ratings in early March. Tories have huge double digit leads in GE polls, doubt CCHQ are quite at the panic stage in regard to the threat of captain forensic.

By:
impossible123
When: 20 May 20 16:19
Starmer is getting Bojo to make promises each time they duel. A shame the Speaker did not ask Hancock t step-up and answer for Bojo instead of prompting him unsuccessfully. I think Starmer will make mincemeat of Hancock, if so.

Bojo since becoming Prime Minister and esp during this pandemic in PMQ against Starmer has almost foregone his bluster and mocking of his opposite number at the Despatch Box. I think the persona of Bojo serves a purpose. It distracts his opposition and lulls them into a false sense of superiority. But, will it work with Starmer who's still lacking political experience and combat at the Despatch Box nevertheless, more than an equal match with Bojo, and with a proven intelligence to boot too in the near future?
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 16:23

May 20, 2020 -- 4:06PM, Cider wrote:


May 20, 2020 --  2:57PM, politicspunter wrote:Boris, like most Western leaders apart from Trump, enjoyed high opinion poll ratings in the first few weeks of the virus situation. He is being found out now though, his approval ratings are in freefall and the last poll I saw had Starmer more popular than him.They remain higher than they were before the crisis started, in fact he had some negative ratings in early March. Tories have huge double digit leads in GE polls, doubt CCHQ are quite at the panic stage in regard to the threat of captain forensic.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

Sure, the tories still have a decent lead but the gap is closing, rather quickly in particular regarding leader approval ratings.

By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 16:27
The last update in the leader net approval ratings above from the company Opinion (13-14 May) have Boris at +10 and Starmer at +24.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 May 20 16:29
Johnson forced into lies at pmqs to maintain his image

It's money in the bank for a future date
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 16:34
Starmer is not the pm, and a long shot he will ever be the pm. His approval rating as an oppo leader is literally irrelevant. Boris was +6% with Opinium on 13 March and as you've noted +10% on 14th May. Still higher, as I noted. Even Boris wasn't going to maintain approval ratings of +29% or so as the country faces up to the realities of unwinding out of lockdown.
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 16:39

May 20, 2020 -- 4:34PM, Cider wrote:


Starmer is not the pm, and a long shot he will ever be the pm. His approval rating as an oppo leader is literally irrelevant. Boris was +6% with Opinium on 13 March and as you've noted +10% on 14th May. Still higher, as I noted. Even Boris wasn't going to maintain approval ratings of +29% or so as the country faces up to the realities of unwinding out of lockdown.


On the contrary, Starmer is clear favourite with all bookies to be next PM.

By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 16:40
Think you can still get 2.75 with Fred.
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 16:56
I was referring to the true price, 3.0 on betfair absolute madness Laugh What a lay, but I have no appetite for locking up liquidity for years.

His approval rating as an opposition leader remains irrelevant.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 May 20 16:58
Next pm offers the chance Boris resigns and money is gone on Starmer if tories replace Johnson without election.

Starmer to be pm at any point is probably about 5/6 without thinking too deeply about it.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 May 20 17:00
Happy to tie up money long term on long shot prices if they put a market up

Longshot 16/1 ish, ta
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 17:03
The Tories would just have a leadership election. That Starmer price is absolute bonkers, though I must admit I never looked at the market as I have no interest in playing next pm right now.
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 17:08

May 20, 2020 -- 5:03PM, Cider wrote:


The Tories would just have a leadership election. That Starmer price is absolute bonkers, though I must admit I never looked at the market as I have no interest in playing next pm right now.


I agree that price is nuts. Anything can, and probably will happen.

By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 17:20
For me Boris will have much more to worry about from Rishi. Genuinely. But not for a number of years. I feel he's brilliant personally, and not just because he's had to give a lot of money away.
By:
geordie1956
When: 20 May 20 17:25
Sunak is celebrated whilst he gives money to the masses ... there will be a reckoning though which won't be well received  ... we'll find out how good he is then!
By:
Petraco
When: 20 May 20 17:28
How good does anyone need to be who is married to a billionaires daughter?

He is merely playing politics to keep himself out of mischief... Cool
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 17:29
It would be folly to put it down to the giveaway. He is very close to being, if not the strongest politician I've seen. Clearly righting the economic ship is going to be an extremely tough challenge but we have the best person for the job.
By:
eyeball
When: 20 May 20 17:34
Very easy when you are playing with other peoples money . The acid test is when you are putting your own stash on the line .Cool
By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 17:36
Playing with other peoples money is kind of a fundamental part of being the chancellor of the exchequer Grin
By:
politicspunter
When: 20 May 20 17:37

May 20, 2020 -- 5:29PM, Cider wrote:


It would be folly to put it down to the giveaway. He is very close to being, if not the strongest politician I've seen. Clearly righting the economic ship is going to be an extremely tough challenge but we have the best person for the job.


Give us a break. You or I could do what he has done so far. Testing times are ahead for him.

By:
Cider
When: 20 May 20 17:39
I was impressed by Rishi long before he became chancellor. Let's see how it plays out.
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