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The problem we've got with that question is that the testing is based on an RNA sequence and genetic material (including sputum and cells from our body) which is

~23.000 in hospitals in England and Wales.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Upwards of 30 thousand in total in the UK.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Sorry, ~24.000 in hospitals in England

Only half my post went WTF

The problem we've got is that the testing is based on an RNA sequence and genetic material (including sputum and cells from our body) which is

Same again WTF

Maybe try posting it all instead of purposefully stopping the sentence after "which is" yourself to make it look like T-H-E-Y are censoring you.

macarony have psoted the same paragraph twice with reasons to no avail
I'm with you less than 1000 have died solely because of the virus with no contributory factors as they haven't isolated a virus it's an RNA sequence with genetic material not an isolated virus.

How are those two things connected? (irregardless of it being nonsense)

I mean, how is "I'm with you less than 1000 have died solely because of the virus with no contributory factors" a result of "they haven't isolated a virus it's an RNA sequence with genetic material not an isolated virus."?

The ed in edy isn't for education is it I suggest you research how the test for this coronavirus was created therein obtain some education,why question posts you know so little about.
Instead of jumping at everything do some research you won't look as silly.

edy Call it a day there give other forum members a fair chance to post on a topic don't spoil another thread

It's from Etienne.

Either way, the virus has been isolated by multiple labs independently from one another and humanity is plenty able to identify and precisely determine viridae based on RNA sequences.

and yes, they can tell a corona virus from an influenza virus, from any other virus, and from anything in the human genome.

and also able to tell a common cold coronavirus (or any other coronavirus) from SARS-CoV-2.

edy they haven't purified the virus from the bronchoalvelolar fluid and genetic material that is what was sequenced i.e RNA sequence.
There is no isolated virus i.e gold standard,covid 19 has never been purified,the test isn't testing for a virus it's testing for a sequence of RNA,this sequence can be present with or without the virus in a person therefore the testing for a 'virus' is unreliable that's why there are so many asymptomatic people testing positive.
Do your own research I have to keep spoon feeding you
I even gave you trolling hints on the other thread

Denzil, please stop blindly believing every random YouTube charlatan you come across.

Yes, the virus has been isolated plenty times over. E.g

https://theconversation.com/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675

As for the RNA sequences: Humans have gotten pretty darn good with all this stuff. SARS-CoV-2 has RNA sequences/markers that are specific to it. This is what they are looking for. They are not looking for something that naturally occur within humans. Humanity is perfectly able to identify viral RNA.

edy I hope you are right on this topic it's something I can't prove for certain and hope my version of how the testing is created is wrong.

Also, if they were looking for something that is normally present in humans, you'd expect far, far higher positive rate than the about 10% positive tests they have in Germany.

Even if someone doesn't trust that humanity is able to identify and look for characteristic RNA (which it is), then this alone should make you think "maybe that guy who told me it's present in every human was talking bull"

It never actually reached 10%. In week 18, 3.8% of the total tests came back positive.

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-05-06-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

page 9 (this also has the other weeks)

The genetic material is present in people with illnesses such as infections,wounds,fractures,auto immune issues etc. not in everyone.
It was retrieved by sticking a tube into the lungs of 7 of the worst affected from the 198 in Wuhan and retrieving the fluid.
The lower positive rates in each country is explained by how much they amplify the RNA code in testing,some countries will amplify more than others therefore having more positives than others.

NO NO NO NO NO NO!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144809/

The article I posted at 3:05AM from a bona fide source shows the possibilities of unreliability.
It's something I can't prove for certain either way.

What parts specifically show the possibilites of unreliability and why in your opinion?

The only real, potentially significant, unreliability of the PCR tests is folks taking samples from the wrong parts and it then returning false negatives.

Perhaps there are several ways of testing creating the differences per country not just the one I mentioned in the 2:55AM as the 2:56AM article mentions a few.

I'd be C+P ing from the article so in short they mention variability of viral loads,unreliability of throat swabs,contamination in lower respiratory tests (like the one I mentioned),negative tests from improper testing and low viral load in the sample.

It's looking more unreliable by the second.

Apart from the lower respiratory tests (which aren't really done routinely), those all lead to false negatives. So you'd agree that, if anything, there have been more people infected with SARS-CoV-2 than the tests have shown (and hence also more deaths in relation to it), correct?

edy There are more issues depending on which test is being used.
My argument would be how do we know everyone is using the same test in the same way and the same standard granted they're using the same RNA sequence?

My questions are to do with reliability and trust in the numbers and testing validity rather than right and wrong,in an ideal world I'd prefer accurate and complete testing I'm not yet convinced it's the case.

Trust Germany. We know science. If there are errors made in testing here, it's untrained personnell taking swabs from the wrong places, leading to false negatives.

May 13, 2020 -- 3:25AM, edy wrote:

Apart from the lower respiratory tests (which aren't really done routinely), those all lead to false negatives. So you'd agree that, if anything, there have been more people infected with SARS-CoV-2 than the tests have shown (and hence also more deaths in relation to it), correct?

I take your point which is well made
In relation to and how many has been killed by the virus are 2 different questions
I'm still not convinced anyone is in the position to say for certain

I hope you're right for the greater good

I'd also expect the UK laboratories to be of the absolutely highest standards and not have e.g contaminations all over the place (and if there ever is contamination for it to be detected). You guys know your science even better than Germans these days.

The only person I know who has tested positive had 0 symptoms and was sunbathing within a few days,probably says more about his mentality more than anything tbh.

You guys know your science even better than Germans these days.

If only the guys would let the government know,clueless from start to finish that's why so many doubt what they're being told in England.

I don't know what others have had to say on this thread as I've had a skinful and I couldn't be
ársed reading...but I feel very confident that because of the manipulation of figures, the death
rates, if compared to the average over the last couple of decades will be only a tad higher than
the 20 year average and will be akin to flu death figures - the excess will be due to people
dying of various other complications...not being able to go to hospital to get checked out.

I don't know whether this massive hoax will ever be exposed in our lifetime, but I'm feeling as
sure as I could possibly be that the official version of events is a total lie.

I expect a faceful of abuse for that post when I return later on today

I'm also wary G I've posted hope I'm wrong in between the sciency bits
Just start drinking when you get up you'll not give a fk about the abuse

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DP - I'm gonna throw the towel in now buddy...and I'll fall asleep watching me ol' mucker Tucker Carlson
As for the abuse...bring 'em on!

PS - I really can't understand why it's so difficult to find out about the number of NON covid-related
deaths so they can be compared to averages at the same time of year over a period of say 20 years.
Everyone is already well aware they're fcuking with the stats - surely that must make you ask questions? 

It does you definitely aren't alone

G I also found vaccination numbers hard to come by but that's another story goodnight

More.

20000 would be a good result

No idea whatsoever.

The numbers quoted are meaningless as they lump together all sorts of reasons for death yet COVID 19 goes on the death cert.

Elderly people suffering from long term often terminal illness die and are recorded as COVID 19.

How many have died because of the fear of COVID 19 rather than the actual virus COVID 19 ?

How many have died with COVID 19 but not OF COVID 19 ?

We will never ever know.

Far too many unanswered questions to form a definitive response to the original post.

Suffice to say therein sits the biggest problem of all in that we cannot trust anything these criminals bleat out as facts as they are far from it and are doubtless so far removed from being the truth its ridiculous.

All that remains to say is the lies the deceit the falsehoods and the fear mongering rage on and even events such as the Neil Ferguson debacle fail to raise enough public concern to consign this particular narrative to the f***ing bin.

The economy has been destroyed. Many lives have been lost, many jobs will be lost,  many businesses will fold and all for what ?

I despair !!!!

PROPAGANDA WINS THE DAY BY AN INNINGS AND 6 BILLION RUNS.

Henry

You claim you despair and mani some meaningless comment about "propaganda"

Yet it is you who constantly post propaganda and misinformation on here. You disagree with pretty much any evidence from scientists or government (on pretty much every subject) & promote some obscure BS on you-tube.

You cut n paste pages of propaganda waffle, often from people making money from selling adverts/books .

There is a killer virus in pretty much every country on Earth. There is no vaccine & and no/little medical cure.
Some governments have been better at protecting health of citizens (normally by "lockdown ") while others have been better at protecting "normal life"

Henry why post your propaganda if you don't like it.
Shocking to believe there are people in UK who actually believe fewer than 1000 have died as result of Covid. I believe many more than 1000 have died .

Just refer to the original post mex. Nothing you say interests me but i am glad you have the opportunity to state them

so much for being open and free thinking

He can say what he wants edy, as can you, it doesn't mean i have to consider it as relevant or indeed viable. Keep racking them up brother

Keep up the David Icke Propaganda Henry.

Keep your hat shiny - it will protect you from the shape-shifting Lizzards.


About time Henry we had another 4000 word cut n paste from some suspect "free thinking truth seeker " from you. Obviously 4000 words but zero evidence.

Keep up the propaganda.

May 13, 2020 -- 10:14AM, John.W.Henry. wrote:

He can say what he wants edy, as can you, it doesn't mean i have to consider it as relevant or indeed viable. Keep racking them up brother

but shouldn't open free thinkers at least have an open mind and consider the information instead of blankly refusing to even consider it merely based on who posted it?

@edy Depends on the track record of the poster.

I rest my case with mex

Every1 gets a chance with me to prove that they are not an imbecile un4tunately so many fail that test

I think most readers will know my thoughts are my own and i only copy and paste when the message requires it

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