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How many people do you think this virus as killed here in the UK
More or less than a thousand
I say less
More or less than a thousand
I say less
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The problem we've got with that question is that the testing is based on an RNA sequence and genetic material (including sputum and cells from our body) which is
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~23.000 in hospitals in England and Wales.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ Upwards of 30 thousand in total in the UK. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ |
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Sorry, ~24.000 in hospitals in England
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Only half my post went WTF
The problem we've got is that the testing is based on an RNA sequence and genetic material (including sputum and cells from our body) which is |
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Same again WTF
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Maybe try posting it all instead of purposefully stopping the sentence after "which is" yourself to make it look like T-H-E-Y are censoring you.
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macarony have psoted the same paragraph twice with reasons to no avail
I'm with you less than 1000 have died solely because of the virus with no contributory factors as they haven't isolated a virus it's an RNA sequence with genetic material not an isolated virus. |
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How are those two things connected? (irregardless of it being nonsense)
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I mean, how is "I'm with you less than 1000 have died solely because of the virus with no contributory factors" a result of "they haven't isolated a virus it's an RNA sequence with genetic material not an isolated virus."?
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The ed in edy isn't for education is it I suggest you research how the test for this coronavirus was created therein obtain some education,why question posts you know so little about.
Instead of jumping at everything do some research you won't look as silly. |
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edy Call it a day there give other forum members a fair chance to post on a topic don't spoil another thread
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It's from Etienne.
Either way, the virus has been isolated by multiple labs independently from one another and humanity is plenty able to identify and precisely determine viridae based on RNA sequences. |
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and yes, they can tell a corona virus from an influenza virus, from any other virus, and from anything in the human genome.
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and also able to tell a common cold coronavirus (or any other coronavirus) from SARS-CoV-2.
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edy they haven't purified the virus from the bronchoalvelolar fluid and genetic material that is what was sequenced i.e RNA sequence.
There is no isolated virus i.e gold standard,covid 19 has never been purified,the test isn't testing for a virus it's testing for a sequence of RNA,this sequence can be present with or without the virus in a person therefore the testing for a 'virus' is unreliable that's why there are so many asymptomatic people testing positive. Do your own research I have to keep spoon feeding you I even gave you trolling hints on the other thread |
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Denzil, please stop blindly believing every random YouTube charlatan you come across.
Yes, the virus has been isolated plenty times over. E.g https://theconversation.com/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675 As for the RNA sequences: Humans have gotten pretty darn good with all this stuff. SARS-CoV-2 has RNA sequences/markers that are specific to it. This is what they are looking for. They are not looking for something that naturally occur within humans. Humanity is perfectly able to identify viral RNA. |
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edy I hope you are right on this topic it's something I can't prove for certain and hope my version of how the testing is created is wrong.
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Also, if they were looking for something that is normally present in humans, you'd expect far, far higher positive rate than the about 10% positive tests they have in Germany.
Even if someone doesn't trust that humanity is able to identify and look for characteristic RNA (which it is), then this alone should make you think "maybe that guy who told me it's present in every human was talking bull" |
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It never actually reached 10%. In week 18, 3.8% of the total tests came back positive.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-05-06-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile page 9 (this also has the other weeks) |
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The genetic material is present in people with illnesses such as infections,wounds,fractures,auto immune issues etc. not in everyone.
It was retrieved by sticking a tube into the lungs of 7 of the worst affected from the 198 in Wuhan and retrieving the fluid. The lower positive rates in each country is explained by how much they amplify the RNA code in testing,some countries will amplify more than others therefore having more positives than others. |
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NO NO NO NO NO NO!
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144809/
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The article I posted at 3:05AM from a bona fide source shows the possibilities of unreliability.
It's something I can't prove for certain either way. |
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What parts specifically show the possibilites of unreliability and why in your opinion?
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The only real, potentially significant, unreliability of the PCR tests is folks taking samples from the wrong parts and it then returning false negatives.
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Perhaps there are several ways of testing creating the differences per country not just the one I mentioned in the 2:55AM as the 2:56AM article mentions a few.
I'd be C+P ing from the article so in short they mention variability of viral loads,unreliability of throat swabs,contamination in lower respiratory tests (like the one I mentioned),negative tests from improper testing and low viral load in the sample. It's looking more unreliable by the second. |
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Apart from the lower respiratory tests (which aren't really done routinely), those all lead to false negatives. So you'd agree that, if anything, there have been more people infected with SARS-CoV-2 than the tests have shown (and hence also more deaths in relation to it), correct?
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edy There are more issues depending on which test is being used.
My argument would be how do we know everyone is using the same test in the same way and the same standard granted they're using the same RNA sequence? My questions are to do with reliability and trust in the numbers and testing validity rather than right and wrong,in an ideal world I'd prefer accurate and complete testing I'm not yet convinced it's the case. |
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Trust Germany. We know science. If there are errors made in testing here, it's untrained personnell taking swabs from the wrong places, leading to false negatives.
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I hope you're right for the greater good
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I'd also expect the UK laboratories to be of the absolutely highest standards and not have e.g contaminations all over the place (and if there ever is contamination for it to be detected). You guys know your science even better than Germans these days.
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The only person I know who has tested positive had 0 symptoms and was sunbathing within a few days,probably says more about his mentality more than anything tbh.
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You guys know your science even better than Germans these days.
If only the guys would let the government know,clueless from start to finish that's why so many doubt what they're being told in England. |
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I don't know what others have had to say on this thread as I've had a skinful and I couldn't be
ársed reading...but I feel very confident that because of the manipulation of figures, the death rates, if compared to the average over the last couple of decades will be only a tad higher than the 20 year average and will be akin to flu death figures - the excess will be due to people dying of various other complications...not being able to go to hospital to get checked out. I don't know whether this massive hoax will ever be exposed in our lifetime, but I'm feeling as sure as I could possibly be that the official version of events is a total lie. I expect a faceful of abuse for that post when I return later on today  |
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I'm also wary G I've posted hope I'm wrong in between the sciency bits
Just start drinking when you get up you'll not give a fk about the abuse  |
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Virus Poll Running Totals
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DP - I'm gonna throw the towel in now buddy...and I'll fall asleep watching me ol' mucker Tucker Carlson
 As for the abuse...bring 'em on!  PS - I really can't understand why it's so difficult to find out about the number of NON covid-related deaths so they can be compared to averages at the same time of year over a period of say 20 years. Everyone is already well aware they're fcuking with the stats - surely that must make you ask questions?  |
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It does you definitely aren't alone
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