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PETER HITCHENS: Has our mad mass house arrest during Covid-19 saved even a single life?


This is Peter Hitchens’s Mail on Sunday column

We will not escape from this misery until the Government has been forced to admit that it made a foolish mistake and over-reacted wildly to Covid-19.

The Prime Minister is like a man who sets fire to his own pyjamas, while he is wearing them, to cure himself of hiccups.

Now he stands naked and scorched, as his house burns around him, and exults that his hiccups have indeed gone away. This is what I mean by getting things out of proportion.

Above all, he must stop pretending that his actions saved us from deaths that never happened, and people must stop believing this evidence-free bilge.

Till that moment comes, months and perhaps years of costly, painful stupidity will follow. The belief that the Panic Policy worked means it can never fully end. If, and when, you go back to your job – if you still have a job – you will be compelled to abide by ludicrous, impractical rules. You will be forced to wear pointless muzzles on trains and buses.

Normal life will be virtually impossible. Previously simple actions will be endlessly complicated and expensive. And while this farce continues, businesses will continue to close and jobs continue to vanish, visiting misery and sickness on millions.

I have seen this before in the old Communist world, a mad, fixed idea pursued by dense men relentlessly and without opposition or thought, until the whole thing collapses or explodes. Now I see it here.

Huge, devastating actions, such as the national shutdown, require clear, good justifications. These do not so far exist. I have yet to see any reason to believe that throttling the economy and imposing mass house arrest have saved a single life. Deaths from Covid-19 peaked and began to decline in this country on April 8, a decline far too soon to have been brought about by the Johnson Panic of March 23.

I have seen masses of reasons to believe that the risk from the coronavirus has been gravely exaggerated and that the figures of deaths have been overestimated.

As for the damage done by the wild, almost Maoist measures adopted by the Government, evidence pours in hourly from ruined businesses and people who thought they were secure, discovering the multiple miseries of Universal Credit. And this is only just beginning. The two specific competent actions which might have helped – protecting care homes from the outset, and properly equipping doctors and nurses – were bungled.

But the vast, sweeping, showy policies of mass house arrest and the unprecedented switching off of an entire advanced 21st Century economy were, and are, pursued with relentless enthusiasm. Even now the teenage minds in charge of this cannot admit their mistake or properly call a halt, as we shall learn tonight. But under the rule of this Cabinet of None of the Talents, the country has suffered a total collapse of independent thought and opposition.

The buffoon who got us into this, and now cannot get us out, continues to be lauded and fawned upon as if he were Kim Jong Un. Those who six months ago could not forget his long history of amateurishness, dishonesty and clowning now cannot remember them, and praise him instead.

I used to think he was, at least, amusing. But I see nothing amusing in the landscape of ruin he has now created. Once people begin to realise what he has done, and how needless it was, I doubt that he will ever be forgiven. Even when Professor Neil Ferguson, chief advocate of the Panic Laws, was caught ignoring his own rules, nothing changed. The nation giggled and missed the point. I actually care more about what goes on above Prof Ferguson’s neck than what takes place below his belt.

The significance of his action was that even he doesn’t believe his scare stories enough to obey the rules based on them. Well, I don’t believe those scare stories either and never have.

But thanks to him and his raving prophecies, I now live in a country where the police – the police! – seriously consider prosecuting a free man for canoodling with his married mistress.

This is not because of the multiple betrayals of spouses and children involved. Nobody but me cares about those any more, as I am perhaps the last living puritan, and even I don’t think it’s a police matter. It is because he broke the ludicrous ‘social distancing’ rules.

We are living in a mad country, governed by clowns. Who will save us from this, or must it just go on for ever?

Succession of needless obscenities
Seeking some sort of escape from endless discussion of the virus, I have been watching the TV drama Succession about a wobbling media empire, whose ailing and ancient chieftain, still fearsome, is besieged by would-be successors among his children.

I can’t imagine who this is based on, but can it be really true that these people use the f-word quite so much?

I’m reminded of the story of the soldier who used that word incessantly as greeting, punctuation and adverb, until the day when he dropped a heavy machine gun on his foot and couldn’t think what to say.

A toxic cloud of deceit
More news about the Poison Gas watchdog, the OPCW.

Some months ago I exposed major turmoil inside this valuable organisation, over what some of its senior inspectors regarded as censorship of reports from Syria, in an attempt to alter their meaning and significance.

The OPCW responded by saying that one of these whistleblowers had not been a member of the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) which went to Syria in 2018.

Various toadies and creeps repeated this. Now a radical website, The Grayzone, has published documents which appear to show that he was officially listed as a member of the FFM. I put this to the OPCW on Thursday. So far they have not responded.

I am delighted to say that my call for a court case against the House Arrest policy has now been answered.

The businessman Simon Dolan has begun steps to challenge the legality of the Panic Laws. The Government is dragging its feet but next week will be crucial.

I have posted details of the action, and how to support it, on the Peter Hitchens blog. Here they are:

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/05/details-of-simon-dolans-court-action-against-the-governments-oppressive-and-possibly-unlawful-polici.html

Scary face of hypocrisy...
Police in Norwich have spoken severely to a teenager for going round the suburbs in a 17th Century plague doctor’s mask, like a huge crow’s head, and a long black cloak.

Citizens are said to have claimed he was frightening people. I am thinking of getting one of these outfits if forced to wear a muzzle by the Government, so I was interested to see that our new state militia think it’s a matter for them.

Is it the law that only the Government are allowed to frighten people?

And is the thing they all fear most of all that we might laugh at them?

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By:
Angoose
When: 10 May 20 10:07
No disguising of his target audience Grin

"I have seen this before in the old Communist world"
"Maoist measures adopted by the Government"
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 10 May 20 10:12
Very unusual to find a MSM journo fielding against the narrative
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 May 20 10:16
The Prime Minister is like a man who sets fire to his own pyjamas, while he is wearing them, to cure himself of hiccups.

Laugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 May 20 10:18
is it breaking news DORIS is a buffoon thought everyone in the world new that, LaughLaugh,
but the lemmings love him and the lemmings deserve him,question is how do the lemmings get rid of him, LaughLaugh, even the left love him now Laugh
By:
Richie_Burnett
When: 10 May 20 10:19

May 10, 2020 -- 10:16AM, stridingedge wrote:


The Prime Minister is like a man who sets fire to his own pyjamas, while he is wearing them, to cure himself of hiccups.


naked and scorchedLaugh

By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 10 May 20 10:20
Even when Professor Neil Ferguson, chief advocate of the Panic Laws, was caught ignoring his own rules, nothing changed. The nation giggled and missed the point. I actually care more about what goes on above Prof Ferguson’s neck than what takes place below his belt.

Quality.

He picks up on the issue which should have shifted this bollox into the bin but so many simply didnt think about the implications.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 10 May 20 10:21
* As is the norm,  sadly
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 May 20 10:23
Do you think Labour would have listened to different experts John?
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 10 May 20 10:25
I have no idea striding. As you well know i am only interested in conspiracies Grin
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 10 May 20 10:26
but i do know they wouldnt have listened to me LaughLaugh
By:
stridingedge
When: 10 May 20 10:28
Grin

They are all a bunch of lying ****s John, every interview waffle and deception and whenever possible a put down to the opposition.

I would think after Brexit and now this crisis many will find the whole system completely toxic.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 May 20 10:28
The buffoon who got us into this, and now cannot get us out, continues to be lauded and fawned upon as if he were Kim Jong Un. Those who six months ago could not forget his long history of amateurishness, dishonesty and clowning now cannot remember them, and praise him instead.

Even a Mail “ Journalist “ calls Dorris a buffoon!

I think Hitchens likes the sound of his own voice and likes to be controversial but I agree with a lot of what he has to say on this. There has been little or no challenge to the Governments version of the facts. Labour have been very disappointing without a leader until recently.

It is clear there is no mood to bail out the rich and maybe they need a new man at the top to look after their interests.

Fact is without testing we don’t know where we stand. I am all for going back to work but we should have had mass testing to get an idea of what we can expect.
By:
Angoose
When: 10 May 20 10:39


Total numbers of tests conducted : Italy 2.5M Spain 2.5M France 1.4M Germany 2.8M UK 1.7M
By:
nineteen points
When: 10 May 20 10:44
are we allowed to agree with this article?
By:
saddo
When: 10 May 20 10:49
I haven't read it all but I will, I like his style. I got as far as 'over-reacted wildly' so I think we are on the same page. It's embarrassing to say you were media led.
By:
A_T
When: 10 May 20 10:59
who is this Peter Hitchins? I can only find an article by Peter Hitchens. Is this someone else?
By:
leif
When: 10 May 20 11:02
How many of us were under the impression the Government would mothball the vulnerable, Care homes, over 70's, those with underlying comorbidities etc?

Like the guy says they've put us all under house arrest and crippled the economy.

There's even talk of cutting furlough pay to 60% of people's wages as the scheme is unsustainable.

Unemployment caused by businesses failing is about to go through the roof.

Middle class people who have worked hard to build their livelihood and create jobs, are about to be introduced to Universal Credit with all the demeaning experiences that it brings.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 May 20 11:03
the lads done well in 7 days,same people lauding him today were calling him a foooking idiot last sunday for saying the bbc were doris poodle,and the bbc were doing the governments bidding,but thar ya go,7 days a long time these days on the right,7 mins is a long time for the sound knicker elastic twanging right
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 May 20 11:03
Just a BMW like Piers Morgan. Loves the sound of his own voice. Completely  up has own jacksy but he has a point on this
By:
saddo
When: 10 May 20 11:05
A_T 10 May 20 09:59 
who is this Peter Hitchins?




He's an intelligent man with rather more class than you displayed there.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 May 20 11:07
Class

Must be like you Lower Class!
By:
saddo
When: 10 May 20 11:08
Keep labelling.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 10 May 20 11:09
Just a bit of funWink
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 May 20 11:11
same paper dan hodges berating the left for calling the uk worst performers in Europe,when they no Italy,spain, france are doing worse but counting better,not sure hoping other countries have 20,30,000 deaths that their hiding is a good look,times say we,re closing in on 60,000
but point hodges is missing is Italy were begging for help not stood preening in commons ,press conferences with the following
were the best prepared country and health service in world to fight this,

we,ve been excempelar,s to the world on how to beat this

the worlds been astounded on our success in dealing with this virus
By:
leif
When: 10 May 20 11:18
He's the brother of Christopher Hitchens, a philosopher, author , journalist, social critic etc. (deceased).

Christopher had a knack of taking people apart and exposing their hypocrisy, especially religious zealots.
By:
twizzle22
When: 10 May 20 11:28
Peter and Mike Graham on Talk radio spar with each other every Monday at midday and is always a good listen.As far as i am concerned Hitchens speaks a lot of sense and i am firmly in his camp.Dithering Johnson already has lost my trust. One the furlough scheme is shelved or cutback the $hit really will hit the proverbial fan.
By:
twizzle22
When: 10 May 20 11:29
*Once
By:
ffaith
When: 10 May 20 11:30
"Resist much, obey little, Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved, Once fully enslaved, no nation..ever afterwards resumes its liberty".   Why put most of the blame on Johnson?  He is only carrying out the orders/script of his overlords.  All politicians do.  Society's(lower and middle)meek surrender of civil rights and economic independence bothers me more.
By:
A_T
When: 10 May 20 11:30
Christopher once tried out waterboarding to see what all the fuss was about. Maybe Peter should do the same with Covid.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 10 May 20 11:52
How would he do that ?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 10 May 20 11:54
Protect the old/vulnerable properly and let everyone else (who has a tiny risk of dying) get on with it and build up herd immunity.

That was the plan and if all the resources had gone into that plan we would be in a much better place.

One man forced the change to the plan. Neil Ferguson. A man who did not even believe in his own research enough to personally act on the advise to protect his mistress, her family and everyone she come into contact with coming across London to meet him.

We need to seriously examine how Ferguson got so much power in this given his complete and utter failure at past predictions. Bringing him in on this would be like bringing in a non-league striker into the England team and then not know why we failed to score any goals. Its obvious.

The way out of this is for Boris to admit he was duped, blame Ferguson and change tact.

I cannot see that happening though. Boris will just keep digging instead.
By:
lurka
When: 10 May 20 11:54
Hitchens has had a bit of a mare during this whole crisis. First he wrote an article comparing death numbers from previous years with no lockdown and no pandemic with this year and asked what is all the fuss is about? Totally missing the point and ignoring the effect of the lockdown, like a lot of posters on here. Then he wrote another article ackowledging that the lockdown was having an effect in somewhat of a climbdown from his earlier article.

Once again he has missed the point here too. It's not about saving lives primarily, it's about controlling the spread. It's not just a British issue either. There are epidemiologists the world over that agree that a spread that has been allowed to get out of hand (by incompetent inaction) must be controlled in order to avoid catastrophe.

Note that Hitchens offers no scientific evidence or evidence from any experts that not locking down when the UK did would have avoided catastrophe or that releasing lockdown now wouldn't result in the spread getting out of hand again very quickly.

Even the Swedish epidemiologist took measures to control the spread when he needed to. Britain's problem is that they didn't until it was too late. Hitchens is right to criticise them for this but seems to be directing his criticism more at the measures taken rather than more correctly the inaction that made them inevitable.
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lurka
When: 10 May 20 11:58
How many deaths should Ferguson have predicted in order to get Boris to deal with the spread even earlier then? 1m? 2m? Because the inaction of Boris etc is the problem, not Ferguson. Boris is more concerned with the economy and the rich guys backing his party. He is conflicted like most politicians. The Swedish guy is concerned with the spread of the disease and controlling it, which is his area of expertise. The economy comes second to that.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 10 May 20 12:01
Yes it's funny how quickly peoples opinions change when this disease affects someone they love.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 10 May 20 12:03
lurka
10 May 20 10:58
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How many deaths should Ferguson have predicted in order to get Boris to deal with the spread even earlier then? 1m? 2m? Because the inaction of Boris etc is the problem, not Ferguson. Boris is more concerned with the economy and the rich guys backing his party. He is conflicted like most politicians. The Swedish guy is concerned with the spread of the disease and controlling it, which is his area of expertise. The economy comes second to that.

^

In action on the important things like protecting carehomes and contacting the vulnerable fast caused the increased death numbers. 90% of deaths are over 65. 99% over 40.

People under 40 never needed 'protecting' and house arrest.
By:
twizzle22
When: 10 May 20 12:05
PH has not had a nightmare at all.From the very start he has been consistent in every article he has penned.He has never advocated that physical distancing was a bad idea.He maintains ,and i agree, the Government have massively over reacted and sensible precautions such as set out by Inside Trader should have been implemented...instead he took the advice of  failed Professor Ferguson and is now well and truly trapped.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 10 May 20 12:06
So they didn't need to stop spreading it then?
By:
lurka
When: 10 May 20 12:12

May 10, 2020 -- 12:03PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


lurka10 May 20 10:58Joined: 25 Oct 10| Topic/replies: 15,419 | Blogger: lurka's blogHow many deaths should Ferguson have predicted in order to get Boris to deal with the spread even earlier then? 1m? 2m? Because the inaction of Boris etc is the problem, not Ferguson. Boris is more concerned with the economy and the rich guys backing his party. He is conflicted like most politicians. The Swedish guy is concerned with the spread of the disease and controlling it, which is his area of expertise. The economy comes second to that.^In action on the important things like protecting carehomes and contacting the vulnerable fast caused the increased death numbers. 90% of deaths are over 65. 99% over 40. People under 40 never needed 'protecting' and house arrest.


Wrong. It is not about controlling deaths primarily. It is about controlling spread. Uncontrolled spread will lead to a lot more deaths but spread is the focus.

You, like Hitchens, seem to be obsessed with the death numbers. You are missing the point. Death numbers are a secondary concern. Controlling the spread is the primary concern and the virus doesn't age discriminate in terms of spread.

By:
lurka
When: 10 May 20 12:14
I am talking from a standpoint of having done nothing in the early stages and letting the spread get out of hand.
If they had protected the elderly from day one it might have been different but they didn't.
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