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InsiderTrader
When: 10 May 20 12:09
Cider
10 May 20 10:50
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Science is too much of a broad term in this context IT. It's scientific forecasting rather than scientific fact. But you can't base policies on epidemics if you only wait for the full facts, as it's too late. So forecasting and modelling is all we have.

Much of it is now logic. We can see from the data that the interventions were effective, we can also see the downward trend. So logically we can start to reverse the interventions but in such a way that doesn't drive the graphs up again.


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No correlation between countries/states who locked down and those who didn't time terms of flattening the curve once the virus is spreading out of control in the community.
By:
saddo
When: 10 May 20 12:09
Journo 1  'why are you allowing people to die?'

Journo 2 'How will you stop the economy dying?'


Easy money every day innit.
By:
Cider
When: 10 May 20 12:13
Journalists have been asking for the exit strategy for a month saddo. Gvnt said it would send out mixed messages. Gvnt announces they are now ready to set out exit strategy. Journalists say there's mixed messaging.
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saddo
When: 10 May 20 12:18
Journos will be hoping cases rise when we exit so they can ask some more 'hard' questions of the Government.
By:
Cider
When: 10 May 20 12:19

May 10, 2020 -- 12:09PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Cider10 May 20 10:50Joined: 29 Aug 02| Topic/replies: 36,236 | Blogger: Cider's blogScience is too much of a broad term in this context IT. It's scientific forecasting rather than scientific fact. But you can't base policies on epidemics if you only wait for the full facts, as it's too late. So forecasting and modelling is all we have.Much of it is now logic. We can see from the data that the interventions were effective, we can also see the downward trend. So logically we can start to reverse the interventions but in such a way that doesn't drive the graphs up again.^No correlation between countries/states who locked down and those who didn't time terms of flattening the curve once the virus is spreading out of control in the community.


It's pretty evident that due to the level of international travel, and densely populated areas with multi generational households, people with underlying conditions, poor health and obesity the UK was particularly vulnerable. i'm an advocate of letting it play out but there's no doubt the infection and death rate is falling away due to the interventions.

By:
Cider
When: 10 May 20 12:23
My argument is that we will be substantially worse off due to the interventions than we would have been if we allowed it to play out.
By:
posy
When: 10 May 20 13:24
The press and the tv companies want to be able to rubbish whatever decisions the Government take and they really would be ecstatic if tens of thousands deliberately broke the distancing etiquette as has happened in Germany so they can use it as a tool to beat the politicians. Sooner or later the press and broadcasting will be brought under State control as in China and Russia and they will have brought it upon themselves.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 May 20 13:32
will they put it on a big billboard to tell us so we can notice LaughLaughLaughLaugh,north korea use the uk daily press conferences as their comedy hour,chemical ali can be heard chuckling in his grave,yesterdsays was given by mr scapps,because mr green was sacked
By:
saddo
When: 10 May 20 14:08
posy is correct, conflict is good fodder for the media, if they can help it along, they will.
By:
sofiakenny
When: 10 May 20 14:20
The media are being fed a steady stream of leaks from Downing Street...the papers are not "making it up".
By:
Just Checking
When: 10 May 20 14:58
Berlin might be interesting, for a number of reasons.
It has an underground (like London) though not as crowded to be fair, but still the best way of transmitting.
It has its perhaps "un-germanic" demographics, e.g. Neu Koln is a bit "Newhamy" .. (maybe it's something in the etymology)!

Yours
Neu Überprüfung.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 10 May 20 15:17
Even Neukölln has a population density of only 19,000/sq mile.

Newham has 25,000/sq mile.

Inner London's population density is just insane in comparison with any city outside of Asia. It has the same population as Berlin in a third of the area.
By:
mafeking
When: 10 May 20 15:25
indeed there's been hardly any mention by anyone that London is by a mile the biggest city in western Europe. obviously you don't expect journalists to notice anything even a little bit nuanced but the government should be defending the numbers in that they were starting from a much worse demographic position than the other 4 main countries in europe
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 10 May 20 15:32
Another 3 weeks incoming

I'm not fussed by it they can keep going if they like, I can go for months this is like a warm up so far

Keep it up government, another 3 weeks is just dandy Happy
By:
casemoney
When: 10 May 20 16:27
Thought was only 2000 Deaths there 2 weeks back ? 8000 Now if they have lifted locked the consequences could be Catastrophic ???
By:
casemoney
When: 10 May 20 16:44
Car home deaths rocketing over there Shocked
By:
casemoney
When: 10 May 20 16:48
New clusters appearing in Previous Low areas of France
By:
Just Checking
When: 10 May 20 16:59
Saw a Brilliant summary of our media the other day:

"We will fight them on the beaches"
"Mr Churchill, will you apologise for not ordering enough spitfires in 1938, when you weren't in office?"
By:
Petraco
When: 10 May 20 17:33
Plan working...send more resources.

I believe this is the UK Governments underlying mantra, and has been since they realised this wasn't going away. This is the conclusion that I have reached having watched this pandemic spread from Wuhan in January.

They spoke to the 'experts' they had knocking around the offices in Whitehall, who had a lot of time on their hands now that Brexit had been done.  These "Young Turks" 'ran the numbers' and presented the output to Boris in a Powerpoint Presentation complete with multi-coloured graphs and pie-charts galore.

When this was leaked to the media and then given to the Great British public it didn't go down too well as they skipped the bells and whistles and concentrated on the guesstimate of approx 500,000 deaths before the fat lady had loosened her tonsils.

At the feedback session in Downing Street they decided a quick U-turn was required and the Chancellor was told that he needed to find a forest of money trees as this was going to be expensive.

Since then we have seen every Tom, Raab and Hancock tell us how much is being set aside to ensure the sombrero is flattened and the NHS is not found wanting.

Of course what this actually means is, as there is no chance of a cure any time this side of next Michaelemas, we will suffer the same amount of deaths, but we will stretch it out so that it looks like we knew what we were doing all along.

Devil
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