Gordon Broon has been

saved the world

saved the union

now he's going to save our health

what a guy, thank you Sir Gordon

Blair is waiting in the wings

A brilliant man and I am a Tory.

Yes agree always worth a listen to

Do you think the morning quarterbacks are helpful foxy? Only caught a bit of it but he wants more testing. No sh1t.

He doesn't have to deal with any of the economic consequences, and I assume has a pile of cash in the millions so won't suffer personally. Very easy in that case to come across as putting immediate health first.

well Blair didn't turn up; but he sent The Burnley Dobbin in his place

Could always sell off our surplus gold to cover lockdown costs.

Cider

Morning quarter backs ?

Armchair experts!

Well obviously there’s far to many of them,but in the case of brown I would like to see him very much involved especially about the financial get out.

I genuinely think we're in the most capable hands with Rishi. Time will tell. I don't envy his task!

Me to he has been very very good for someone so young ,but perhaps the experience of brown would make him even better.

I wasn’t for 1 minute trying to take anything away from Rishi.

Rishi may turn out to be good but let's face it, all he has done is dish out money to furloughed workers etc. Folks like that.

May 7, 2020 -- 6:06PM, foxy wrote:

Me to he has been very very good for someone so young ,but perhaps the experience of brown would make him even better.I wasn’t for 1 minute trying to take anything away from Rishi.

Positions like chancellor I imagine you have the inherent knowledge and/or learn from the civil servants, rather than predecessors. Look at Jeremy Hunt as former health secretary, it's like he was never there even though he's just left and is meant to be on the same team! The world is a lot different to GB's time, especially with Trump's America first agenda.

Rishi stood out to me before he became a name, actually answers questions and has a thorough understanding of his brief. It's so annoying that the virus has tied his hands in the short to medium term.

I think brown is still very heavily involved in this modern world.

Perhaps foxy. However he is or was a Labour politician at the end of the day.

Has his policy changed on Muslim paedophile rapist grooming gangs?
Should be hanging by the balls with Blair

He's a Bilderberg member so is definitely involved in the modern world that's why he keeps saying the word GLOBAL

May 7, 2020 -- 6:33PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

Has his policy changed on Muslim paedophile rapist grooming gangs?Should be hanging by the balls with Blair

Dearie me.

Another open grooming gang supporter^^^^ there's a substantial list on these forums

politicspunter
Just remembered you're the one who posts the fictional politics bets and aftertimes

May 7, 2020 -- 7:30PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

politicspunterJust remembered you're the one who posts the fictional politics bets and aftertimes

Feel free to repost any.

Tell you what, if you find any, I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice. Can't say fairer than that, can I ?

May 7, 2020 -- 7:40PM, politicspunter wrote:

Tell you what, if you find any, I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice. Can't say fairer than that, can I ?

European Parliament elections in the UK thread April 9 2019

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Some prices now available in the event UK has to hold EU elections...

Void if elections do not take place. Dead Heat rules apply. (Ladbrokes)
Labour
2.10
Brexit Party
3.50
Conservatives
6.00
UKIP
9.00
Change UK
13.00
Liberal Democrats
26.00
Greens
101.00

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That Brexit Party price looks very short to me.


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Well, I'm not so certain. I think it's a two horse race, Labour and Conservatives.



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My main reason is that I reckon the Brexit Party and UKIP will split the vote of folks inclined to vote in that way. Difficult to say for certain what percentage of their slice each party would receive. UKIP are the established party whereas Farage has a following that will generate votes for the Brexit party.
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Look at Donnys figures above from the last EU election. Lets suppose the same 27.5% figure find their way to ukip/Brexit parties. Say one of them get 15% and the other 12.5%. Seems a reasonable possibility. Won't be first in votes though or even remotely near it.



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Are Ukip/ Brexit going to gain many seats in Scotland? In Northern Ireland ? In Wales- not really if the recent Newport by election is a guide. In remain voting London? Seats are allocated by voting in large regional areas. The simple facts are that UKIP/Brexit are simply not competitive in a great number of them.

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his Saturday will be an interesting test of Brexit betrayal sentiment: Nigel Farage promises "huge rallies" to launch Brexit Party
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Send your £50 entrance fee to Nigel, c/o the ritz, London.



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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a lot of folk in that voting pool have no idea that Farage has left UKIP.

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Bet Labour, oppose Brexit.

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Can someone please explain to me that if Conservatives, UKIP and the Brexit Party are all polling around 12-17% for the EU elections and Labour are polling high twenties, how on earth can Brexit party be 2.1 for most seats?



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So if all UKIP voters vote Brexit Party that will bring them level with Labour...

Labour 30%
Brexit Party 30%
UKIP 0%

Is that likely?

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In total I make that...

Labour 26
Brexit 15
Conservative 12
UKIP 8
SNP 4
LibDem 2
Green 2
Plaid Cymru 1
Sinn Fein 1
DUP 1
SDLP 1



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PP, what price you laying brexit party at?



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The £100 at 1.67 is mine.
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Happy to match 1.7 if you want?

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Not sure why folks are still betting Brexit Party at odds on.



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I am really struggling to understand why Brexit are still odds on and Labour are odds against (currently 1.74 and 2.28 respectively) after that ComRes poll was released. What am I missing?

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It isn't me! I am totally baffled as to how short the Brexit Party price is.

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You would be as well not voting at all than vote for a party with no policies.

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When you say "their policy" do you mean that is it, one policy? ie to leave the EU which we are already going to do?

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Yes... and other elections. Btw I have bet the Brexit Party to win this.

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I have also bet the Conservatives and Labour.


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Right now I will lose if the Brexit Party win the election.



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With the Brexit Party now likely to gain a seat in Scotland I make it...

1.9 Brexit Party
2.1 Labour

to win most seats.
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Plenty of 1.57 to lay.

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The biggest price I have backed them at was 3.75 with Betway.



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And I will still lose (at the moment) if the Brexit Party win.



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I agree. Another thing to consider is which party, if any, Labour are possibly going to lose votes to? The possibles are badly split- Green, LibDem, CHUK etc, none of which is strong enough individually to damage Labour on it's own. The Brexit Party have limitations. They are doing well just now but is there any way their polling can improve by much? I can't see it and there must be a chance that the Tories will regroup a little and recapture vote share.

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https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/05/our-panel-and-the-european-elections-three-in-five-will-still-vote-for-the-brexit-party.html

9.04 am today

ConHome’s survey. Our panel and the European elections. Three in five Tory members will still vote for the Brexit Party.
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CON home is effectively UKIP.

^

So initially you suggest that:
1. Brexit Party are too short at 3.5
2. It is a two horse race between Labour at 2.1 and Tories at 6.0

Then you take a position backing TBP at 3.75 which you revealed 18 days after talking down their chances. Did you then immediately lay them off at 3.5 that was too short?

Fair play if you really managed to turn your initial views on the 'UK most seats market' (not other markets such as win percentages or other countries) to make a profit.

Especially the case when you were losing TBP won on 27th April and markets have basically moved one way since then in favour of TBP.

I do find it a bit sneaky that you give those views at the top and talk up the chances of the the other parties and talk down TBP whilst backing them yourself.

politicspunter • May 24, 2019 8:50 AM BST

    May 24, 2019 -- 7:20AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


    politicspunter24 May 19 07:48Joined: 20 Mar 18| Topic/replies: 4,393 | Blogger: politicspunter's blogInsider, I don't care who wins. I bet and lay so that I win. If you can't understand that simple strategy it's pointless trying to explain any more to you.^I get that.But how did you turn a losing position (on TBP to win most seats) on 27th April into a winning position now on the 'to win most seats' market when the markets only moved one way from there in a direction against what you were thinking would happen?I am genuinely intrigued as to how that is possible.


Because I am losing on the betfair market on TBP to win most seats. However, I am winning overall by betting on the market with other market makers. I can not only bet and lay TBP, I can also bet and lay the other contracts (in this case political parties). Betfair is a very good site and exchange but it's a fraction of the available sites and exchanges which bet on politics.

There's enough there to show you post about fictional bets and aftertime in amongst the flip flopping guff bets are mentioned with ZERO PROOF OF EXISTENCE AND WINNING POSITIONS ARE AFTERTIMED

I will post tomorrow where I want the £100 sent to the charity of my choice will be grateful
Thanks

Brown is rapidly being rehabilitated as current leaders fail to coordinate a global plan to current world crisis

But be careful as it was partially his light touch that helped the financial crisis rip through our banks

He does seem to have a decent brain but his presentation does let him down at times

He was far better with Bliar to front up for him.

the brains behind the charisma; so to speak

I do think Bliar is akin to Johnson in that they can sell other people's plans



I really don't think I can see what Bliar really stood for, and
he still pops up plugging this and that and I just see a car salesman who might be at a different dealership by time I want a new car.

i think you just nailed him completely. He was what 'new labour' needed at the time; & now they have Momentum

I think John Smith was heading for no 10, he died and they cobbled a pact to have a united front. It was a good idea having Bliar as leader as they all thought he would do what they wanted as did the media barons. Encouraged by Bliars lack of real beliefs.

Major suffered by being undermined from within so there was nothing really to stop Bliar and a massive majority meant his advisors could ignore Brown whilst letting him get on with running the finances.

Maybe I do Bliar a disservice but I still don't see much to suggest I have.


Of course his legacy was shattered before it ever existed, if it ever would have.

i still think the biggest mistake ye made was choosing numpty bro over David for leader

I'm not really a fixed Labour supporter, and had quite a bit of empathy with dave Cameron against either of those.

Can't see me ever voting against my local Labour mp who I like

Nor my independent councillors



As per other thread, sunak would make an interesting pm one day

But I don't really know too much about him.


Maybe him and Starmer could have some decent debates one day.

some of you may remember at the time that GB was forewarned in very strong terms not to relax corporate takeover regulations he ignored them so this opened the floodgates to all the worldwide mainly usa some hong kong arab etc asset strippers this was pre online shopping or at the very start of that Debenhams at the time owned all the shops and was worth a lot they got asset stripped the estate was then sold to insurance companies who then rented the properties back to debenhams and what a fkin great success thats been thats just one example

next lets look how he fked up the uk pension markets

basically we are a bankrupt nation dont let the libtards tell you we are the 5th richest nation all that means is we've got the 5th highest debt on our credit card

nhs £385 million a day who the fcks paying that i think its about 40% gdp if you doubled that to 770 it still wouldnt be enough and 80% gdp we are bankrupt

It was brutal the way Blairites wrote John Smith out of Labour party history.

Late 90s there were various books and articles establishing the narrative that Labour was on its knees, totally unelectable, and then Tony came along to turn it all around by himself

From what I recall, when John Smith died, Labour were 15-20pts clear in the polls, and there was a consensus among pundits that if Smith had been leader in '92, rather than Kinnock, that Labour would have won then.

May 8, 2020 -- 12:10AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

There's enough there to show you post about fictional bets and aftertime in amongst the flip flopping guff bets are mentioned with ZERO PROOF OF EXISTENCE AND WINNING POSITIONS ARE AFTERTIMEDI will post tomorrow where I want the £100 sent to the charity of my choice will be gratefulThanks

What fictional bets have I posted? Where have I aftertimed about them? As I say, show me any bet of this nature and I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice.

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The biggest price I have backed them at was 3.75 with Betway.

This is from the stuff you posted up thread. The EU elections were held on the 23rd May 2019. As you will see, my post regarding prices I had backed the Brexit Party at was dated 27th April 2019, roughly four weeks before the event. Is that aftertiming?

Would have been interesting to see John Smith fight an election.

He was an interesting bloke with a wide backing amongst Labour members and
population at large.

I remember debating with my friends about how he would cope as pm, and then their dispair as the party fell into the hands of Bliar after his death.

tobermory, you're probably right about smith. GPB were never gonna elect Kinnock. the tories were then always on a loser after black Wednesday and finished off from a series of sex and financial misdemeanours from the hilarious back to basics policy

as for brown never understand why the MSM continually wheel out former PMs as though we should hang on to their every word as gospel. most people have long since had enough of them by the time they get booted out certainly don't want to hear from them decades later

May 8, 2020 -- 8:15AM, politicspunter wrote:

May  7, 2020 -- 11:10PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:There's enough there to show you post about fictional bets and aftertime in amongst the flip flopping guff bets are mentioned with ZERO PROOF OF EXISTENCE AND WINNING POSITIONS ARE AFTERTIMEDI will post tomorrow where I want the £100 sent to the charity of my choice will be gratefulThanksWhat fictional bets have I posted? Where have I aftertimed about them? As I say, show me any bet of this nature and I will donate £100 to the charity of your choice.

In that instance you posted no proof of bets and aftertimed you are still winning on these overall.
I've never seen anybody stick to their guns in these cases.

What exactly do you want me to do? Contact the bookmaker for a record of my bets, scan them and send it to you?

He wants you to donate £100

But can't supply any proof

I don't recall him banging on about this before, I wonder what his previous user name is.

----you-have-to-laugh--- • May 8, 2020 3:22 PM BST
He wants you to donate £100
But can't supply any proof

Read the thread HE offered to donate £100 I pointed out he has form for fictional bets and aftertiming which he clearly does,ambiguity at the very least.

I don't recall him banging on about this before, I wonder what his previous user name is.

I haven't posted to pp before so haven't had to point out any questionable posts as a response donny

All the more odd to take him to task on a thread about Gordon brown
If that is the case

May 7, 2020 -- 6:38PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

He's a Bilderberg member so is definitely involved in the modern world that's why he keeps saying the word GLOBAL

May 8, 2020 -- 3:36PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

All the more odd to take him to task on a thread about Gordon brownIf that is the case

Read it he highlighted a post of mine with a negative response I gave a reply as entitled

You clearly had him marked down, all the more odd
For somebody you did not converse with

Why not just defend your post, or ignore a poster you have clearly previously ignored

May 8, 2020 -- 3:28PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

----you-have-to-laugh--- • May 8, 2020 3:22 PM BSTHe wants you to donate £100But can't supply any proofRead the thread HE offered to donate £100 I pointed out he has form for fictional bets and aftertiming which he clearly does,ambiguity at the very least.I don't recall him banging on about this before, I wonder what his previous user name is. I haven't posted to pp before so haven't had to point out any questionable posts as a response donny

I don't have any form for fictional bets and aftertiming. You are the one alleging it.

May 8, 2020 -- 4:00PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

You clearly had him marked down, all the more oddFor somebody you did not converse with

Everyone is marked by their posts you are letting your mind race are you paranoid?

Me paranoid,... No but I know a poster who used that retort

Cheers

https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31542341/greece-election?post_id=557522025#557522025#flvWelcomeHeader

And if I lose, I am happy to post about it.

Ok pp