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InsiderTrader
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In 4 U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-4-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUKKCN2270RY

“We weren’t always able to pinpoint where all the cases were coming from,” said Annette Chambers-Smith, director of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. As the virus spread, they began mass testing.

They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

“It was very surprising,” said Chambers-Smith, who oversees the state’s 28 correctional facilities.

As mass coronavirus testing expands in prisons, large numbers of inmates are showing no symptoms. In four state prison systems — Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — 96% of 3,277 inmates who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic, according to interviews with officials and records reviewed by Reuters. That’s out of 4,693 tests that included results on symptoms.

The numbers are the latest evidence to suggest that people who are asymptomatic — contagious but not physically sick — may be driving the spread of the virus, not only in state prisons that house 1.3 million inmates across the country, but also in communities across the globe. The figures also reinforce questions over whether testing of just people suspected of being infected is actually capturing the spread of the virus.

“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” said Dr. Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, said of the Reuters findings. “The case count is likely much, much higher than we currently know because of the lack of testing and surveillance.”

Some people diagnosed as asymptomatic when tested for the coronavirus, however, may go on to develop symptoms later, according to researchers.

The United States has more people behind bars than any other nation, a total incarcerated population of nearly 2.3 million as of 2017 — nearly half of which is in state prisons. Smaller numbers are locked in federal prisons and local jails, which typically hold people for relatively short periods as they await trial.

State prison systems in Michigan, Tennessee and California have also begun mass testing — checking for coronavirus infections in large numbers of inmates even if they show no sign of illness — but have not provided specific counts of asymptomatic prisoners.

Tennessee said a majority of its positive cases didn’t show symptoms. In Michigan, state authorities said “a good number” of the 620 prisoners who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic. California’s state prison system would not release counts of asymptomatic prisoners.

Each state manages multiple prison facilities. Ohio, for instance, has 49,000 prisoners in 28 facilities. A total 3,837 inmates tested positive for the coronavirus in 15 of those facilities. But the state has not yet provided results on symptoms for 1,809 of them and did not identify the total number of tests conducted across the prison system.

Arkansas and Tennessee have also taken a targeted approach by conducting mass testing in several of their facilities. Michigan, North Carolina, California and Virginia have started with one facility each.

Most state prisons did not provide the age or other demographic details of those who tested positive for the coronavirus, which has killed more than 200,000 people globally, including more than 53,000 in the United States.
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Report Angoose April 27, 2020 4:52 PM BST
TEST TEST TEST
Report Crisp77 April 27, 2020 4:58 PM BST
This is what happens when you are scared to pick up a bar of soap
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 5:02 PM BST
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316

Nasopharyngeal swabs were obtained from 210 of the 211 women (99.5%) who did not have symptoms of Covid-19; of these women, 29 (13.7%) were positive for SARS-CoV-2. Thus, 29 of the 33 patients who were positive for SARS-CoV-2 at admission (87.9%) had no symptoms of Covid-19 at presentation.
Report SontaranStratagem April 27, 2020 6:32 PM BST
No symptoms means there's nothing wrong with them

We seem to be reinventing what it means to be sick, and if you question this diagnosis you can be tested positive for mental illness as well, and put into a detention camp for "your own safety"

Reinventing what it is to be sane, sane is insane, ill is healthy
Report Reynard April 27, 2020 6:49 PM BST
Therefore we can conclude that whatever it is that they're specifically testing for is present in 96% of us , healthy or otherwise , and has absolutely nothing to do with this so-called COVID-19 .
Maybe we should seriously rethink these death toll statistics and infected statistics of the last few weeks and immediately cease all this Lockdown nonsense .
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 6:52 PM BST
If there is not massive amounts of hospitalizations and deaths from US prisons (lets hope there are not) questions will have to be asked about the accuracy of these tests and/or the true IFR of this virus.
Report Petraco April 27, 2020 6:52 PM BST
Or perhspa develop a better test that doesn't show as many false positives as the current one does?
Report edy April 27, 2020 6:55 PM BST

Apr 27, 2020 -- 6:49PM, Reynard wrote:


Therefore we can conclude that whatever it is that they're specifically testing for is present in 96% of us , healthy or otherwise , and has absolutely nothing to do with this so-called COVID-19 .Maybe we should seriously rethink these death toll statistics and infected statistics of the last few weeks and immediately cease all this Lockdown nonsense .


The USA have done about 5.5 million tests. Less than 20% of them came back positive (a bit less than a million). Wouldn't you expect that to be significantly higher if they tested for something that's present in 96% of us?

Report Reynard April 27, 2020 7:03 PM BST
Good question , edy (you do ask some good questions , I like that).
Maybe the US are using a different test or maybe the UK test results are agenda driven . After all "there are two different types of test" according to the doctor currently treating my father . Maybe he had the UK test initially when they wanted him to return a positive test and the US test when they were planning to discharge him and a negative test result was required .
Report tobermory April 27, 2020 7:16 PM BST
Well the 96% was in prisons, which you would naturally assume to have a much higher result.

Also the 5.5 million tests that produced the 20% figure will mostly have been done one time only over a period of 6 weeks or so. If all those 5.5 M were tested again today perhaps it would be 50%+
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 7:19 PM BST
96% of those who test positive in prisons had no symptoms of covid19.

That is nothing to do with the percentage of tests in the USA that tested positive. We do not know how many who tested positive in the general population had no symptoms. We also do not know whether people will symptoms were more likely to be tested. It is completely different stats.
Report Injera April 27, 2020 7:29 PM BST
So many questions.

What are they testing for?
Who are they testing? Young, old, sick, dying, healthy?

If you test those with serious health conditions plus some covid symptoms, the positive results will be high.
Report tobermory April 27, 2020 7:30 PM BST
Actually it was 88% of the inmates that tested positive and only 4% of those had symptoms
Report geordie1956 April 27, 2020 7:38 PM BST
Assuming the tests are valid it would suggest the virus is extremely virulent if 96% of the inmates are positive (admittedly in a closed environment where contagion is far greater) ... doesn't it suggest mass testing in the country is imperative to understand how many might have or have had the virus ... and help to identify how many of the population are asymptomatic ...
Report Reynard April 27, 2020 7:46 PM BST
Are you suggesting testing for COVID-19 are made mandatory ?
Report Reynard April 27, 2020 7:46 PM BST
*is made* Blush
Report peckerdunne April 27, 2020 7:47 PM BST
Who's testing the tests.
Report edy April 27, 2020 7:49 PM BST

Apr 27, 2020 -- 7:16PM, tobermory wrote:


Well the 96% was in prisons, which you would naturally assume to have a much higher result.Also the 5.5 million tests that produced the 20% figure will mostly have been done one time only over a period of 6 weeks or so. If all those 5.5 M were tested again today perhaps it would be 50%+


I know, but Reynard is still going on about them not testing for a virus at all. He watched a video a couple weeks ago of some attention seeker that said it's all exosomes they are testing for, which are present in almost everybody, regardless of health status.

If that was the case, one should expect the tests to come back positive almost every time. Certainly more than 20%.

That's what I was getting at with my post.

Report geordie1956 April 27, 2020 7:49 PM BST
Johnson is a libertarian and doesn't believe in rigid enforcement of regulations .... except when he does ... I merely pose the question  ... the politicians should provide the answer
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 7:50 PM BST
tobermory
27 Apr 20 18:30
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Actually it was 88% of the inmates that tested positive and only 4% of those had symptoms


^

No pal, 88% did not test positive. This is about the number who did test positive that had no symptoms....

As mass coronavirus testing expands in prisons, large numbers of inmates are showing no symptoms. In four state prison systems — Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — 96% of 3,277 inmates who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic, according to interviews with officials and records reviewed by Reuters. That’s out of 4,693 tests that included results on symptoms.
Report tobermory April 27, 2020 7:53 PM BST
After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive

That's the 88% I was referring to.
Report tobermory April 27, 2020 7:54 PM BST
I think that was the only prison that gave the specific figures on % testing positive.
Report Angoose April 27, 2020 7:56 PM BST
How many of the 96% subsequently displayed symptoms ?
Report tobermory April 27, 2020 7:57 PM BST
You'd have to come back and ask in a couple of weeks I guess.
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 7:59 PM BST
Oh I see. True. Place is riddled.
Report Reynard April 27, 2020 8:30 PM BST

Apr 27, 2020 -- 7:56PM, Angoose wrote:


How many of the 96% subsequently displayed symptoms ?


Could you please remind me what the symptoms are ? The list would appear to be growing and I've lost track .

Report unitedbiscuits April 27, 2020 8:41 PM BST
Now confused; believe that three people among family and friends have shook off a hacking cough since Dec..Had it myself for four weeks..
Report InsiderTrader April 27, 2020 9:00 PM BST
Makes the idea of going back to contact track and trace impossible I would have thought.

Given the IFR is so much lower than first though and virus has spread so far.
Report eyeball April 27, 2020 9:03 PM BST
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/04/24/tracking-the-spread-of-coronav...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 27, 2020 10:47 PM BST
200 tests is hardly top science.

if you test folk for mrsa you get quite worrying results too. as most show no symptoms
Report ekbalko April 27, 2020 10:57 PM BST
Seems a strange result when there is a higher population of black inmates and these are the ones we are told most likely to be very ill from it.
Report pandora1963 April 28, 2020 12:10 AM BST
i felt like i had been hit by a truck the last month, completely knackered and poor sleep pattern. Rapid heart rate in middle of night. Today is the first day i have felt good for ages. No cough, no fever. But i certainly had something. Havent been near anyone.
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