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By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:33
I also really hate his green agenda, but hopefully covid 19 has put an end to that nonsense.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:35

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:32PM, Cider wrote:


In my view Boris is far from perfect and if there's a lazy option (in normal times) he may well take it. But he's an excellent leader, and unparalleled as a political operator.


Leaders lead from the front, they don't hide in fridges.

By:
impossible123
When: 25 Apr 20 19:36
Does one not think in any National Emergency the Government plus the leaders of the 2nd and 3rd largest Opposition Parties are included in the team dealing with it? With Bojo off the scene at the most strategic moment the Government was wafer thin and collective decision making has not had the desired effect.
By:
geordie1956
When: 25 Apr 20 19:36
The political master within the gov't is Cummngs and Johnson is merely the vehicle whom he operates through
As for leadership then he fails on so many qualities ... reliability; foresight; accumen ... he has been fortunate that opposition on his own side and the opposition has been terribly weak
By:
Charlie
When: 25 Apr 20 19:37

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:32PM, Cider wrote:


In my view Boris is far from perfect and if there's a lazy option (in normal times) he may well take it. But he's an excellent leader, and unparalleled as a political operator.


This belongs on one of bigmo's threads.

By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Apr 20 19:38
Indeed Cider, far from perfect,the  highest death rate in Europe backs you up there.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:39

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:32PM, Cider wrote:


In my view Boris is far from perfect and if there's a lazy option (in normal times) he may well take it. But he's an excellent leader, and unparalleled as a political operator.


If you want to look at a real leader, one who leads from the front and has been truly excellent during this crisis, look north of the border.

By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:41
Yes that's exactly what I thought when the gallivanting cmo turned up at the excruciating press conference.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:42

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:41PM, Cider wrote:


Yes that's exactly what I thought when the gallivanting cmo turned up at the excruciating press conference.


The one she sacked? What happened to the gallivanting clown of a housing minister down here?

By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:43
Resigned I think you'll find. A little too late mind CryLaugh
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:44
She had one job Cry
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:44
Jenrick still there, it's embarrassing beyond belief.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:46
Who is bothered about Robert, that's right, chit chat and twatter Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:47
I am bothered, a traditional conservative voter.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:49
The devolved countries are just following the Westminster lead. Looking at the quality of their CMOs yesterday, I'm unsurprised.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:50
Sturgeon chopped her cmo. Jenrick did far worse but he is still there. That is ineptitude in the conservative party.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:52
She resigned after being given no option. The original plan was to support the cmo staying in situ.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:52
She was chopped by a true leader. If the conservative party had a leader Jenrick would be gone too.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:52
After the most uncomfortable press conference anyone could probably remember.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:53
As I said, only chit chat and twatter are bothered about Robert.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:53
She was chopped by the leader, a leader that is different class from anything we have.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 19:55

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:53PM, Cider wrote:


As I said, only chit chat and twatter are bothered about Robert.


I am bothered and I am not on social media. It was an embarrassment, will always be.

By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Apr 20 19:56
Ya must have took advantage of that alhambra reserva 1925 offer in Ocado Cider otherwise wumming like a good un, your loyalty is funny for a better word,ya must have done well when Maggie sold the country.

Nearly 8.00pm, i am getting ready now to go outside to boo,i don't care if i am on my own though the mentalist wan across the road will surely join in when she hears the furore.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 19:59
I'm just not deranged, lapsy pa. Though I'm sure you'll see it differently Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:00

Apr 25, 2020 -- 7:52PM, Cider wrote:


After the most uncomfortable press conference anyone could probably remember.


If you are interested in embarrassing press conferences, check out the ones where our home secretary can't count or proudly claims that shoplifting has went down during the lock down.

By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:04
Patel is not as comfortable doing press conferences as she is in parliament or one on one interviews. while it's not unusual that the home sec would update us with crime numbers, her delivery could be improved.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:07
Lets see how she gets on at the bullying employment tribunal. Another one only in cabinet because of her brexit views. Even I was surprised she got back after being sacked by May.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:13
Personally I feel it's good to see a government and home sec that really backs the police. I'm not happy that the grooming gang report is still not being published.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:21
I would expect any government and home secretary to always back the police. Patel probably trying to delay everything as she knows she is busted if she loses the bullying employment tribunal.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:27
On the surface yes, but I feel this administration wants to properly support the police with substance. Of course covid 19 has changed the course of events.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:33
I am certain they wish to support the police but Patel is a poor choice, a very poor choice given her previous record of bullying/attempted suicides by staff in previous government departments, plus being previously sacked for going behind the prime ministers back. Boris must have decided that her brexit views meant she would be loyal to him under any circumstance.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:35
Having said that, her bullying employment tribunal opponent failed to exhaust all disciplinary procedures before quitting. That may save her.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:50
I don't know if you were reading the threads on here at the time, but I was explaining to someone that you need to give the employer an opportunity to act before quitting and claiming constructive dismissal. I have a fair amount of experience in this area, but not at an executive level. However he has the means to employ legal advice that can twist legislation to their benefit. I don't know for sure obviously, in my opinion most likely Rutnam had his capabilities exposed rather than being bullied, but it doesn't mean he can't win his case.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:55
These cases don't often go to tribunal as it's very difficult for the defendant to win, and they are expensive to defend. Claimants are usually offered a payout in exchange for a nda, not because they have a good case but it's the lesser of two evils.
By:
impossible123
When: 25 Apr 20 20:55
Maybe Rutnam was none too pleased to be guided by an ethnic. Anyway, ACAS beckons.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 20:57
I have acted for someone in an employment tribunal, simply because it was a family friend and I previously had my own business. Being retired, I was a lot cheaper than a lawyer, ie zilch. The basic details are on the politics forum. When two parties eventually reach the employment tribunal, it has to be shown and proved that both parties followed disciplinary procedures, exhausting any appeal process. They then have to use ACAS in order to try and resolve a financial settlement. If this fails, an employment tribunal takes place.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 20:59
Indeed, a payoff is still odds on, which was always his aim of course.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Apr 20 21:01
Well, that is hard to say because he claims he was offered a financial settlement, which he declined.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 21:02
Presumably he is gambling for more. I read somewhere the amount that can be given in a payoff in the civil service has been limited quite recently.
By:
Cider
When: 25 Apr 20 21:03
He also wants revenge of course!
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