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Angoose When: 22 Apr 20 12:16

Apr 22, 2020 -- 12:09PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

This is the issue Angoose.You cannot tell me one minute it is so dangerous they should not go outside.Then with more people currently having it than before the lockdown, no vaccine, no cure they cannot tell us it is safe to go out.People will not want to part of that experiment.It seems the Imperial Report (that was not peer reviewed and did not account for the ability to increase ICU bed numbers) plus people like Macron putting pressure on Boris meant he cracked from his initial policy with terrible consequences.

You cannot tell me one minute it is so dangerous they should not go outside.
Then with more people currently having it than before the lockdown, no vaccine, no cure they cannot tell us it is safe to go out.
People will not want to part of that experiment.

I'm not aware of any advice that has stated that "going outside" is dangerous.
I am aware of advice that has stated that we cannot continue to go outside in the manner that we have previously gone outside as that would be dangerous.

I suspect that you are already well aware of this.

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Angoose When: 22 Apr 20 12:17

And I suspect that you are well aware of the distinction.

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InsiderTrader When: 22 Apr 20 12:24

Sure Angoose.

But you get the general point.

There are more cases now than before the lockdown started therefore if everyone was suddenly released we would get a bigger sudden spike than if we had let it spread with just social distancing.

The reality is it is not 'safe' until we have a vaccine or cure.

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Angoose When: 22 Apr 20 12:37

That there are more confirmed cases now than before the lockdown was imposed is the nature of the beast.
And I'm not arguing a case for everyone to be suddenly released.

There was an interesting interview on Sky News earlier with a health spokesman from New Zealand.
He described how the New Zealand response quickly changed once they realised that you would fail if you tried to apply a flu like response.

They quarantined ALL arrivals in to the country for a 14 day period.
To date, they have 1,451 recorded cases and 14 recorded deaths.

They have also tested 19,658 per million of population. The UK has tested 7,886 per million.

As pointed out on this and other threads, making country by country comparisons is dangerous.
There are many factors that required to be considered.

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mafeking When: 22 Apr 20 13:37

especially with a country like new zealand. it's a very sparsely populated country about 10 hours flight from anywhere else except Australia. it's the one time when their geographic isolation has been a benefit

in fact scott morrison is coming in for quite a bit of stick for continuing their strict Europe style lockdown. deaths still in single figures but 100s of 1000s of Australians out of a job

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mafeking When: 22 Apr 20 13:43

meant double figures for deaths in Australia. around 70 I think