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ONS Figures For Weekly Deaths Released Up to Week 15
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a load of americans whos lifestyle is buying in guns and supplies ready for lockdown and are now out protesting about being locked down.
rednecks , lit up by idiot youtube channels some of their followers on here posting nonsense day after day. |
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the good lord told me to shoot the virus
 and go to the mardi gras |
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Just some comments from people who work in London hospitals to back up my points....
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3886452-The-hospital-I-work-in-is-so-quiet?pg=1 London hospital. Half empty. Some wards have less than a handful of patients, some wards are closed. Most staff have been moved to wards so are falling over selves. While their regular work goes undone. A&E very quiet. I’ve sent patients there who are seen immediately. The heart attacks, strokes and appendicitis cases are presenting too late. People with covid are waiting too long to present. If you get breathless then for goodness sake come in. I’m so cross at the initial advice to stay home until struggling. Had a look through covid ward lists and vast majority patients are aged over 70. Hardly any patients under 60, those who are have underlying health problems for the most part. Lots more men than women affected. It’s just a snapshot but echoed by colleagues in other hospitals. I think we can / should start to move back to normal life soon for the well young people among us. I fear for the short and longer term economic hit. It’s crazy to have all these young well people furloughed or made redundant. My best friend, who is a consultant in a large hospital in the south (not London) related the exact same thing to me yesterday. She said they're finishing their ward rounds by 11am, and are twiddling their thumbs much of the time, feeling very guilty about being clapped for, every Thursday. BUT, she is very worried about what's heading their way once some of this is lifted, and their clinic waiting lists will explode and there will be many patients who will be too late for effective treatment. ^ Have a read about things the main stream media avoid. |
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Looks like we have another government scandal brewing then, doesn't it.
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But not enough nurses at the Nightingdale?
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administrative
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Millions not getting swear tests because of the lockdown. Other cancers tests as well.
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That's what you get for not listening to others and putting a chancer and gollum at the helm.
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Theresay May wouldn't have handled it all a lot better if she hadn't been stabbed in the back.
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*would have
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As would Rory Stewart or any of the other Tory leadership candidates.
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Then the PPE myth is exploded here....
Theredjellybean Mon 20-Apr-20 21:50:27 The issue is if the government and media reported the fact that most hospitals were coping well, had capacity, and staff etc then there would start to be civil unrest over lock down.. In the first three weeks the nhs were in many places still prepping so any lack of adherence to lock down on a big scale would have been catostrophic. Now there is cautious commentary about nhs coping.. Giving the impression this is because the infe rates plateaued due to lock down. I'd also like to debunk the reporting over ppe.. I work spilt roles a cross south west primary care and several London trusts.. None are short of ppe. There have been no actual footage of empty stores or hcp on wards with no kit on. So where are these hospitals with no ppe? |
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Angoose
22 Apr 20 08:50 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 15,048 | Blogger: Angoose's blog Looks like we have another government scandal brewing then, doesn't it. ^ Same in other countries. Heard similar stories from USA, Germany and first hand reports of empty A&E department in Spain. |
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* smear test.
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FT are bandying an actual death rate of 41,000,many occuring outside hospitals, won't it be more responsible to deploy nhs staff twiddling their thumbs as you say to where the cases are?
Is that a failure on the goverments part? |
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And where is the government media campaign to encourage the public to continue going to hospital for non COVID health issues ?
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Angoose
22 Apr 20 09:25 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 15,051 | Blogger: Angoose's blog And where is the government media campaign to encourage the public to continue going to hospital for non COVID health issues ? ^ They have said to present if you have chest pains etc. but this is not enough. I agree though in general 'stay home' 'protect nhs' 'save lives' thing is a mixed message. It has been fanned on social media and by the press making people too scared to present. All the death numbers with the press converting 'died after testing to positive' to 'died of..' is scaring people from presenting. Also it appears 111 are not allowing people in until they are far gone with Covid symptoms and red zone beds sit empty. Green zone beds are empty because of the fear factor as well. Same in Spain. Daughter went to local A&E. Totally empty. Staff standing around chatting. |
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So what do you think the agenda is behind what is happening ?
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And all the general stuff like follow ups after operations cancelled.
I believe the idea is to eventually put all covid patients in the Nightingale hospitals and open the others back for normal services. One thing is for sure there will be a massive job for the NHS to catch up after this. |
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Aren't A&E's supposed to be mostly empty? They just haven't been be because people went there with every ever so little niggle or because they wanted fasttracked treatment?
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A&E does exactly what it does on the tin, they deal with accidents and emergencies.
With reduced social activity, you would expect to see a dramatic reduction in the demand for A&E services. And that is exactly one of the desired outcomes of a lockdown, A&E resources being released to be directed elsewhere. |
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Already sounds like there are going to be several thousand extra deaths from cancer because people aren't going to the doctors
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Why is Sweden consider somehow different from other Countries? If the virus spreads easiest in urban communities then Sweden should be suffering worst than other European countries, the uk for example, it's a myth that the Swedish people live in log cabins miles from each other.
A total of 8,016,000 – 85 per cent – of the Swedish population lived in an urban area; occupying only 1,3 per cent of Sweden's total land area, and the most populous urban area is Stockholm at 1,4 million people. https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ur... Urban areas in Sweden - Wikipedia In the Uk only 61% of people live in urban areas I |
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"I'd also like to debunk the reporting over ppe.. I work spilt roles a cross south west primary care and several London trusts.. None are short of ppe.
There have been no actual footage of empty stores or hcp on wards with no kit on. So where are these hospitals with no ppe?" Not sure the source of that quote on this thread but UK deaths per million 255 NHS staff 1.5 million NHS staff deaths 100 NHS staff deaths per million 67 So NHS staff are 3.8 times LESS likely to die from COVID-19 than the general population. Obviously there are some issues, but it doesn't really point to PPE being the huge problem that it's built up to be. But then of course you can't question that narrative in the mainstream media as you risk being labelled a heartless traitor |
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PPE is a press talking point.
Notice how none of the questions are about last of normal treatments for cancers etc. |
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England is 83.4% not 61%.
Germany is 78% Belgium is 98% |
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Angoose
22 Apr 20 09:38 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 15,052 | Blogger: Angoose's blog A&E does exactly what it does on the tin, they deal with accidents and emergencies. With reduced social activity, you would expect to see a dramatic reduction in the demand for A&E services. And that is exactly one of the desired outcomes of a lockdown, A&E resources being released to be directed elsewhere. ^ Angoose I suggest you take some time to actually read the thread I posted from real people working in the real world NHS. It give a better picture than you speculating from looking at your charts and databases. People are not presenting for things like heart pains! |
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So more urbanised than most other countries,
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sure Angoose. I'm assuming age is why it's 3.8 times lower. Is the UK giving a full breakdown of hospital deaths by age? Our figures not including elderly care homes.
There maybe a few deaths caused by a lack of PPE, which is tragic, but it'll be miniscule in the scheme of things, maybe not even double figures, and we should not forget that everyone is trying their best to get it. The number of excess deaths from cancer already sounds like it's in the 1,000s. It would just be good to get some perspective. |
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its pointless argueing over numbers,figures,graphs,statistics etc.they will go up when the gov want them up and down when they want them down. it will all be done to suit their agenda
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nineteen points - you may well be right on the government figures but the ONS figures should be reliable given they are based on registrations of deaths irrespective of location - hospital care home home etc.
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I posted on another thread about a family friend, was receiving treatment for breast cancer and had it stopped when the virus hit, told to isolate for 12 weeks as her immune system severely weakened, now receiving calls from her consultants urging her to attend, she's refusing.
Her attitude seems to be, if they tell me it's too dangerous for me to go to the supermarket why would I go to a hospital where I know the virus is, they cancelled my treatment because of that danger, what's changed. |
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We've had a few runs in of late potlis, but let's put that aside for a moment.
The case of your family friend is a worrying one. Very understandable why there was an initial hold placed on her treatment. But also very understandable now that, when called for treatment, she is reluctant to go and receive it. This is a problem that requires to be dealt with on an urgent basis. |
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This is the issue Angoose.
You cannot tell me one minute it is so dangerous they should not go outside. Then with more people currently having it than before the lockdown, no vaccine, no cure they cannot tell us it is safe to go out. People will not want to part of that experiment. It seems the Imperial Report (that was not peer reviewed and did not account for the ability to increase ICU bed numbers) plus people like Macron putting pressure on Boris meant he cracked from his initial policy with terrible consequences. |
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A strong leader would've said "Go eat your baguette, Froggie! Stuff your threats where they came from. We are the British"
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