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Latest provisional figures releaed by the ONS for deaths registered in England and Wales up to 10 April (Week 15).
The variance to a five year average was 1,011 in Week 13, rising to 6,082 in Week 14, further rising to 7,996 for Week 15.
The absolute figures for these weeks has been reported as: 11,141 16,387 18,516.
The total number where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate was 10,335.
Of these, 8,673 were recorded in hospitals, and a further 1,662 were recorded outside of hospitals.
The variance to a five year average was 1,011 in Week 13, rising to 6,082 in Week 14, further rising to 7,996 for Week 15.
The absolute figures for these weeks has been reported as: 11,141 16,387 18,516.
The total number where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate was 10,335.
Of these, 8,673 were recorded in hospitals, and a further 1,662 were recorded outside of hospitals.
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Can't recall his name but the Head of Health Statistics (or whatever his title is) at the ONS is very impressive.
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suggests the number of deaths from COVID-19 is nearer 25k if you roll that forward 10 days
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Not just BS , but BS in graph form . Very impressive
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the missing care home deaths show up for a second week
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CLYDEBANK29
21 Apr 20 10:57 Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 9,724 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blog suggests the number of deaths from COVID-19 is nearer 25k if you roll that forward 10 days ^ Possibly or that the lockdown is causing deaths due to the stress and lack of medical care for other things. Imagine being in a care home or a hospice without being able to see your relatives. Imagine having a suspected heart attack and not daring to go to hospital because of covid-19 fears. Imagine having stomach pains and being told it is Covid sympthoms when infact it is stomach cancer and not treating it early enough. The list is endless. With A&E down 40%-50%, no one seeing a doctor, stress levels going through the roof, excess drinking on the up and loneliness these numbers of deaths will increase in the months ahead. It is not a simple as taking deaths and subracting previous years. It is not as simple as saying it is Covid19 with no test (75% tests have been negative). Even in hospital the officials say died having tested positive for the virus regardless of cause of death. Not died due the virus. Yet the Sky Headline says 'Coronavirus deaths 41% highers that official figures'. Not it isn't. Get ready for the figures being pumped up for political reasons. |
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Maybe they are "pumped down" for political reasons at the present time IT?
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If the weekly figures had been significantly lower than the five year average, what would be your line then ?
I can't see anyone on this thread making any statements that are denying that there will likely be an impact on health outcomes as a result of the lockdown. It is likely that some of this impact will result in negative outcomes, whilst some of if this impact will result in positive outcomes (reduced industrial and car related deaths for example). At this point in time, there is simply insufficient data to support a thorough and detailed analysis. But such an analysis will come in the fullness of time. Meanwhile, all we have is the raw data. |
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Directed to IT ......
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if they did more testing they would prove they were corona virus and the trolls wouldnt have to look silly
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Goose back with his pointless graph again
Week 15 uh |
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25,000 probably underestimated ons only just releasing updated figures..
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I do love the medias sudden move to overall deaths at all time highs though, like its no longer scaring people this thing so lets move the goal posts a little
And even the overall deaths are nothing to be bothered about  its like they are running out of material at this point |
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Wonder what the first graph out in the briefing today ?
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So we've experienced these overall death numbers at this time of year multiple times before
You couldn't make it up at this point, its quite funny to listen to them trying to really sell it as something gigantic and even they are failing to do it |
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Oh dear
Can't come out with an actual argument again just resorts to mocking |
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And then comes on here on a daily basis and mocks officially released data.
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It is interesting that the ONS went out of their way to explain in detail why their numbers are different from the Governments. The key point in their latest weeks total registered deaths number is that it is the highest for any week in the last 20 years.
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total population is as well
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Angoose
21 Apr 20 11:49 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 15,040 | Blogger: Angoose's blog If the weekly figures had been significantly lower than the five year average, what would be your line then ? ^ If they were lower than I think it would be extraordinary given how many deaths they reckon Covid19 has caused. My concern is: 1. Hospital deaths after being tested positive for the virus mean nothing as people die of other things. 2. Community deaths with untested people that show symptoms mean nothing as 75% at least will not have it. 3. Covid19 threat is potentially going to be used as an excuse to keep everyone locked up when keeping everyone locked up could be causing more extra deaths that covid itself. They could literally attribute any death to Covid. The press are complicit in turning 'deaths after testing positive for the virus' to 'deaths from Covid19'. It is disgraceful. |
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Well done IT..I'm firmly in your camp.
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https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/14/coronavirus-is-lockdown-leading-to-deaths-from-other-causes/
Of the 16,387 deaths registered in England and Wales during the week ending 3 April, around a fifth (3,475) mentioned “novel coronavirus”. But the ONS said there were 6,082 more deaths during that week compared to the five-year average, which raises questions about the reasons behind the remaining two and a half thousand additional deaths. Professor Maureen Baker, former Chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners (RCGP), said there could be a number of explanations. “Data from previous pandemics of the 20th century have shown that health pandemics tend to lead to a rise in all-cause mortality,” she added. “There could be greater difficulty for people with non-Covid symptoms to currently get access to hospital services, or not wanting to access them due to the Covid risk. “It might be the case that people with emergency symptoms – for instance, chest pain, abdominal pain, severe headache – are not consulting a doctor as early as they normally would with such symptoms.” https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-indefinite-lockdown-causing-death-of-hope-vg5z9wmn7 A public health expert has called on the Scottish government to give the public a clearer understanding of the lockdown exit strategy as fears grow that deaths are rising among people who do not have coronavirus. Linda Bauld, a behavioural scientist at Edinburgh University, said that people with potentially fatal illnesses were avoiding their GPs after advice that the health service was becoming overwhelmed. Others have been drinking themselves to death sitting at home, she said. |
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yeah cos there are widespread reports of folk drinking themselves to death
whereas there are reports from every carehome up and down the country of folk passing away with corona virus symptoms but the trolls continue to troll |
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So no valid points in the Times article?
No valid points suggesting the fact we have basically shut our NHS to everyone apart 'Covid' patients could be causing problems? |
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The NHS is shut to nobody. If people are too scared to go to hospital for relatively routine treatment and die an avoidable death, that is a direct consequence of there being a pandemic. That's what happens in a pandemic, deaths from all causes rise. If there were no lockdown, it would be no different only this would happen even more and more people would die of covid too.
The time to complain about a lockdown is long gone. They let it spread out of hand and had no choice but to lockdown until that spread has been dealt with, has waned and then they will be back in the position that they were in when they let it spread in the first place, except this time they will (assumedly) take it seriously and make sure it doesn't get out of hand again, requiring another lockdown. Still some way from that, you have to peak and then it will probably take the same amount of time it took to peak for it to wane enough to return to anything like it was before it got over here. |
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You are basically complaining about there being a pandemic like some of the protesting Americans are.
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You should be complaining about why they didn't take it seriously, like S Korea or Japan, neither of whom have had a lockdown. Sweden is not a comparable case to the UK or any mainland European country. Sweden let it spread too like all of europe, it's just that it couldn't spread like it did everywhere else because the country isn't set up for it to spread over there like it is everywhere else.
Not taking it seriously from day 1 = inevitable lockdown. |
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To minimise direct deaths from the virus I agree lurka.
But minimise overall deaths due to the pandemic's social, economic and their associated health problems only time will tell. Locking down everyone is a cheap win for governments - especially if the public are calling for it.The consquencial deaths will be over months, years and decades to come. |
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tories are fcuked, face facts.
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Maybe time will prove you to be right. But people getting ill from things like drinking too much on a lockdown or not exercising/eating well is their own fault.
But every government was faced with scientific evidence/advice of a guaranteed huge short-term spike in deaths after sitting on their hands and letting it spread. They had no choice at that point, that's why they all did the same thing. |
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The lockdown was nothing to do with people calling for it, it was due to the scientific models all predicting the NHS failing and having to turn away sick patients to die at home, of course those with other illness would have been turned away too in such a situation. The death toll was being predicted without strict lockdown measures in hundred thousands not tens of thousands.
Of course it's easy to say that's bullsh1t and pretend you know better without any logical reasoning but you have to base decisions on more than that. |
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Insider Trader you are rightly protecting your vulnerable wife but to expect others to keep the economy going and risk catching this themselves is simply looking for jam on it.
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An unquantifiable number of deaths over a much longer period from an economic downturn which will happen everywhere is a lot more palatable to any government and lot more easily explained/excused than a guaranteed huge short-term spike in deaths. That's politics, even if the overall damage ends up being worse.
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lapsy pa
21 Apr 20 16:01 Joined: 29 Jan 09 | Topic/replies: 3,528 | Blogger: lapsy pa's blog Insider Trader you are rightly protecting your vulnerable wife but to expect others to keep the economy going and risk catching this themselves is simply looking for jam on it. ^ 'others' already are risking their lives. I think there will come a tipping point when people will have had enough of being locked down and losing their jobs, businesses, health, wealth etc etc. Not there yet but could be in a few months. |
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I think that probably has started IT but that's pandemics for you.You won't worry about anything like health wealth etc if you are dead.
Air/traffic pollution falling drastically is a big plus for life expectancy at least. |
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look at all the lives being saved from pollution, will far outweigh the future loss of lives.................
lovely blue skies, fish a jumpin, bees a dancin |