The multiple 'BAME' questions

males more likely to be in poorer condition vs females  ,more likely to have lung  problems via work/smoking , more likely to lack the mental strength vs women to stay alive  ...loads reasons really ... 

BAME  more likely key workers/ much more likely to catch he virus to start with  /multi gen families  etc 

skin colouring on it's own unlikely to be a factor  ...not sure why poverty would make you that much more likely  other than the per household stat

I'm not sure I agree with all the gender hypotheses, and the stats are 20% of the NHS workforce is 'BAME'. Though of course that's likely to be a higher percentage in inner cities. The point of the post however is that no journalist is asking those questions, even though it affects more people. Only interested in SJW pursuits.

journalists seem a bit stupid when it comes to working things out ... they seem to dwell on the wrong things at the wrong time ...they're now talking about deaths    before it was number of cases 

  I would say it's more cultural ,esp looking at the figures i've seen  ... it stands out a mile  ...there aren't enough key worker deaths   to make that big a difference anyway 

I do think female chances are better  in the older  ...they seem to pull through better - stronger mentally

Could be genetic? People from Europe are apparently better at resisting HIV, bizarrely, due to our ancestors having survived the Black Death.
Well that was what was the result of research a few years ago. Now, if Flu is more a "colder country" thing, and being darwin-ised to be better at having resistance to the Flu means being a bit better having resistance to COVID, that might be an answer.

Coachbuster • April 18, 2020 7:33 PM BST
journalists seem a bit stupid when it comes to working things out

Possibly because they are told what to report rather than research & investigate for themselves

that's most likely true Reynard

I'm not sure who decides what gets reported ...   maybe they report what they want people to hear 

The MSM reports on what they THINK the public should want to hear.

Vitamin D deficiency could be a contributing factor to ethnic minorities in northern hemisphere countries . Vitamin D is dependant on sun exposure and menalin prevents the absorption of uv rays . Ethnic minorities may need up to six times the amount of sun exposure in the northern hemisphere to produce the same amount of vitamin d as white northern europeans .

eyeball ..with the asians it's because of their dress   ...top to toe , they won't allow sun on their skin   ....

  also  how often do you see Blacks sunbathing ?  ...not that much ...it's nearly always white folk at the beach and a lot of blacks live in flats

the average white person only has to be in the sun for around 30 minutes  .... depending on time of day

It doesn't take another Einstein to work out that the biggest risk is exposure to the virus in the first place. People of no colour are the minorities in the densely populated inner cities. It would be tantamount hypothesising that skin colour affected the Grenfel death toll disproportionately. There's nothing wrong with researching into it to obtain the firm proof, but that was already announced before today.

Surviving COVID-19 has nowt to do with mental strength.  When you are put on a ventilator you are asleep.  It's purely genetic.  Even if it did, how are you going to measure it to prove it?  Alzheimer's is a mental disorder and a lot more women suffer from it than men.  Is that because of mental strength?  I imagine women are more likely to seek medical attention sooner.

It's the survival rate after contacting the virus that is most significant. There's still a very high percentage of people passing with covid 19 with underlying conditions.Some of which could be lifestyle or hereditary.

Thanks for confirming that the Aryan race is superior

I'm confirming that journalists most definitely are not.

Re gender, women live longer than men so that’s the starting point for any death rate I guess.

As for bame, journalists plummeting the depths again, searching for a racist angle.

The death rate covid positive statistically should be broadly the same, gender wise. It's more of an unknown than the ethnicity aspect. I believe the death rate is much higher in men globally.

When you are put on a ventilator you are asleep
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before then

women more likely to fight the virus  ...they are more mentally able to deal with things  , why do you think more blokes commit suicide or are homeless  ?

We can be absolutely sure, if it was flipped an two thirds women then Karen would be all over twitter and the msm kicking up a fuss about it.

Alzheimer's is a mental disorder and a lot more women suffer from it than men
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ALZ  has nothing to do with mental illness and strength lol  ...it's a genetic disorder  thats seems to affect women more ...don't forget women outlive men by quite a distance

I didn't imply it has.  I don't think it does, but it's less ludicrous than your stement about COVID-19 imo.  More women get alzheimers regardless of age btw

mental strength doesn't come into it when you are spaced out on a ventilator.

More men are homeless because women get the kids and house under UK law.  Also society is more sympathetic to homeless women, and men are less likely to seek help.  More men do commit suicide, but then more women are anorexic and two thirds of people on the NHS who get counselling are women

Studies in south Asian populations with type 2 diabetes mellitus
SA communities have a four-to-six-fold greater rate of people with T2DM than White British communities, and there have been a number of recent studies investigating the relationship with vitamin D status and T2DM in this ethnic group.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466148/

before the ventilator ... people are ill long before then

More men are homeless because women get the kids and house under UK law.  Also society is more sympathetic to homeless women, and men are less likely to seek help.  More men do commit suicide, but then more women are anorexic and two thirds of people on the NHS who get counselling are women
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OK , this is what i'm saying about mental strength ...women will get up and do something about it  they-ll get counselling ...men will fall into a pit of despair .

you don't tend to get homeless women ...  they normally seek the means to get help with accomodation and generally have a better chance of pulling themselves up  and less likely to lose the accomodation unless they-re mentally ill of course  ...anorexia is a totally different area

Just googled...got this from the ADAA

From the time a girl reaches puberty until about the age of 50, she is twice as likely to have an anxiety disorder as a man. Anxiety disorders also occur earlier in women than in men. Women are also more likely to have multiple psychiatric disorders during their lifetime than men.

I'd say on my interpretation on the balance of evidence, men are mentally stronger, but it's very subjective.  and like I said fighting COVID-19 is purely genetic

yeah i think with anxiety it's fear of the unknown ,b'cause despite what everyone says we are a lot more clued up than them   ...yes, they do better at school ...  but we're a lot smarter .

we find out about how things work so we are more assured ....


but they have the mental strength to get through a crisis ,they are more reassuring  ..they come out on top ,it's probably why they make good nurses  ... they tend to be more calm  and tend not to give up on things ..we get more annoyed  ..they also move on quicker in broken relationships .   I can't really answer about  psychiatric disorders ...iu'm not qualified on all that  ...but will take time to read ...maybe they-ve had greater trauma from abuse  ?

Although there maybe an issue with men not seeking help soon enough, but this has never been raised as an issue of concern by the government or NHS.

men are mentally stronger
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nah ,can't agree with that ...i would be happy to be proved wrong of course   ....most men couldn't cope with multi tasking ,looking after kids while doing arduous tasks  ...

like i said ,look at the amount of alchies, druggies ,homeless down and outs  who can't cope  ...far outnumber women

and that's all on top of the fact that men don't like to show any weaknesses

this is in general btw ... there are some men who cope really well and some women who can't  cope at all ...but it gives me some guide to the covid survivors figures

i'm sort of saying that some men may have had enough of being ill and are actually willing themselves to die

I'm not surprised the BAME figures seem disproportionate, they keep saying they are 14% of the population.

Then it must have just been bad luck that the women I've lived with spent one week out every four in a state of raging, tearful hysteria.

If any of those women get hospitalized with this, I hope for the sake of the medical staff that it's one one of the other three weeks.

i'm sort of saying that some men may have had enough of being ill and are actually willing themselves to die

yeah subconsciously when they are unconscious

OK i give up with this  ...

More men are alcoholics but this is a social factor.

Society is changing though.  As far as youths go in the USA 227,000 girls and 173,000 boys have AUD.

women are designed by evolution to cope more  ...they brought up the children

mens evolution meant men were faster and stronger ...men weren't designed to cope ..they just had to be good at throwing spears

men have a lot of problems coping in todays world where most jobs/careers  are designed for females

the world is feminized

going back to the BAME's.. yes  that stat for them is mainly cultural

This is just stuff I'm googling...

Panic disorder is two and a half times more prevalent in women than men.

source Psychiatric Times

Why women?

But why are women more likely to experience anxiety than men? It could be because of differences in brain chemistry and hormone fluctuations. Reproductive events across a woman’s life are associated with hormonal changes, which have been linked to anxiety. The surge in oestrogen and progesterone that occurs during pregnancy can increase the risk for obsessive compulsive disorder, characterised by disturbing and repetitive thoughts, impulses and obsessions that are distressing and debilitating.

But in addition to biological mechanisms, women and men seem to experience and react to events in their life differently. Women tend to be more prone to stress, which can increase their anxiety. Also, when faced with stressful situations, women and men tend to use different coping strategies.

Women faced with life stressors are more likely to ruminate about them, which can increase their anxiety, while men engage more in active, problem-focused coping. Other studies suggest that women are more likely to experience physical and mental abuse than men, and abuse has been linked to the development of anxiety disorders. Child abuse has been associated with changes in brain chemistry and structure, and according to previous research, women who have experienced sexual abuse may have abnormal blood flow in the hippocampus, a brain region involved in emotion processing.

When you are trying to breathe (albeit this isn't applicable if you are on a ventilator) panicking can't be a positive

that's mostly academic claptrap you typed out there ... most stressful situations with women are in areas where men don't tend to frequent ..we have quite easy lives and as i said before ,we are generally smarter than  women, so by design can problem solve better ...we are more familiar with how things work 

if a  pipe leaks in my house i know how to fix it / the right steps to make  ,women aren't as practical  .... their brains work differently  ,therefore they will feel anxious 

it's nothing to do with mental strength

It's professional opinion versus your opinion.

men will themselves to die more often than women ... esp after bereavement

clydebank ,i explained in simple English ...it doesn't have to be a long winded explanation

my opinion tends to be correct more often

it's people with a lot of time on their hands trying to justify  a reason for this and a reason for that  ....


like this BAME  situation ...it's obvious ,probably to a 6 year old child ,but they will no doubt spend millions on a report

How come drug addicts have not been wiped out by this virus? they have worst health of any sub group and their living conditions are by far the worst of any other group yet they are still going about their business as normal.

Living in clusters; worshipping in clusters; sharing living conditions; socialising within community; bigger family = greater risk. All these no doubt will have a significant say in why Covid-19 is more prevalent within this group of people.

The virus may also have read this forum...and realised they are the least popular on this forum

So it has decided to target them more

totally agree impossible.  There are several rational and logical reasons why they would be more affected.

Whether it's genetic on top would be revealed with blanket testing and looking at the proportion of infected people from each background who end up dying.

South East Asia (SEA) countries do have a mix of nationals eg Chinese, Indian/Pakistani, Eurasian, Malay, Indonesian, Thai, etc (but very few black people), and they also do live in close proximity with one another. I wonder how they compare with their counterparts over in the UK.

I do not think it's determine by the health service they receive because those in SEA are worse facilitated. i do not think it genetic either.

Oh well, more scarce resources "wasted" on the survey, I'd imagine.

Has Lammy given his opinion yet?

Yes, but I did not quite get what he said because I was distracted - he was a bit loud and animated.

Flabbotts gone AWOL i hope her or her noncy son are ok

you would think the homeless  ,but they have been kept off the streets for now and probably kept under guard ...

will be interesting to see what happens to them ...will they be turfed out onto the streets again ?

that won't look good ...and they can't be evicted by law