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What happens to extremely vulnerable after 12 WEEKS?
What happens to extremely vulnerable after 12 WEEKS?
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I,m not a mug,i,m quoting the only official number the rest is guesswork, 80% of population getting it as now been revised down to any number you may care to pick,one expert saying it could be as low as 10% of population, as for all these millions of yoing fit people getting it and hardly noticing they've had it, the mildest case ive heard of is matt hancock and even he said it knocked fook out of him and he felt like he was swallowing razor blades,everyone else is just guessing they've had it ,like myself probably confusing it with noirmal flu
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I know you're not a mug 1TP, apologies. But taking case numbers as if that's all the cases, esp in UK which has one of the lowest tests per capita numbers is a bit silly. Using case numbers as any sort of indicator is really. Death numbers and deaths per capita is the only half reliable metric but only between countries at the same stage of progression of the virus. Spain and Italy are far ahead of the UK but people still comparing them.
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*one of the lowest tests per capita in Europe
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The countries that have acted fast like New Zealand,Denmark,Switzerland,Austria,Finland etc seem to have it under control now.They if already haven't can almost return to some semblance of normality.Of course density of population is different in most but they are the results you want,not a half baked herd immunity theory, too late to copy them.
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has any country in the world got any evidence of a high % of positive cases whose sympton,s to coin a phrase A BLIND MAN WOULD BE GLAD TO SEE THEM
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I wasn't saying that 1stposter, the symptons are dreadful, it was compared to a bad flu on here last month,that is clearly wrong,the spread of it is odd though,the social distancing seem to be mostly working in the community but wrecking havoc in hospitals and care homes.
The 2 week lapse between carrying it and for it to show is so dangerous. |
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Some semblance of normality yes but they will have to keep borders shut or implement heavy controls and risk another outbreak for much longer time.
Despite talk of peaks etc, it is still very early stages in this whole clusterfúck and the picture looks different weekly and will look a lot different in a year. The relative effectiveness of the strategy of countries who have it contained versus those who don't is not really something it is wise to compare at any stage this year imo. Economically, it is better to take a lot of pain early and get it over with or a little pain drawn out over a much longer period? Not something which can be judged now either. |
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the symptons are dreadful
but the herd immunity is based on millions of young people having it and hardly noticing it,but as yet theres no little evidence of these people in big numbers been out there, and you can hardly call it a strategy if they end up not been out there |
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Yes Lurka,most definitely a local based economy with little/no movement for a while(maybe a year?)
Even if it went "herd immunity" would it be so different time wise? people won't be willing to participate imo. Fair point 1stposter,won't they come home to the family house? A third to a quarter of fatalities in Ireland have no underlying health conditions,i presume that is replicted here, the median age of fatalities in Ireland is high but enough not so old. |
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Whether they say it or not it is the reality now tho. This will require restrictive measures until immunity in the population is built up and then it can be treated like flu is, ie no lockdowns.
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Totally agree^
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Here in England well over 90% of deaths are people with underlying issues and over half of them are aged over 80.
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Indeed and it is people with underlying issues that this thread is about.
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the 92% of people adhering to lockdown,happy about the lockdown and indeed a majority in favour of a harder lockdown are in no hurry to get back on public transport,return to a busy workplace,go to the pub/eaterie,john lewis etc and very few of them are over 80 with underlying health conditions
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Yes IT and its an awful situation for them but I dont think there is anything positive that can be suggested other than a long extended isolation for vulnerable people and those that cannot avoid contact with them.
If anything a quick exit strategy that let it spread to the young and fit rapidly could be in everyones interest. |
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idris elba,hancock,arteta,johnson,,cummings,care home workers,nhs staff,public service workers,young people interviewed on sky wernt in any of the description giving out 10 weeks ago that would be laid low,flatened,hospitalised by this virus,if it were free to let rip evidence from around the world suggests many of these young fit people wouldn't just shrug it off,and unlike the bravehearts bon here volunteering them,think lots of these people who couldn't give a foook 6 weeks ago, now have a different mind set
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THe stats say that virtually zero healthy people under 40 have died in England. You may be so terrified of this you dont want facts but thats the case.
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Dotch, I am not aware of a single data set that details the prior health condition of those who have died.
There is a summary provided on a daily basis, I am not aware if this is subsequently consolidated. There is data on the age groupings of deaths, but is there similair data on those receiving treatment ? That would be a very useful data set, understanding how it impacts those who appear not to be in the vulnerable groupings. Just becuase they do not die, does not mean that they do not require treatment, thus placing a strain on the NHS. |
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The likes of Idris Elba /arteta had no symptoms and barely knew they had it. The average age of those dead in Italy is 80 with deaths under 40 so rare it makes the headline news. The facts are you are more likely to die in a motoring accident if you are under 50 never mind 40 so expecting all of society to grind to a halt makes no sense to me
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and what happens when lockdown if lifted? The whole thing starts up again. The virus started with one person so all it will take is someone coming in from overseas to start the whole circus again and we all know how tight Uk is with immigration control
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Don't need anyone to come from abroad, we are uncovering 4,944 new cases a day (last five days).
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Angoose. Until yesterday i think it was the independent who in their summary said something like out of 850 deaths 42 had no underlying issues and there ages ranged from 10 to 90. I read that 5 days in the row and it was pretty consistent at around 93/4%.
Ive not seen anything like you suggest and of course that would be interesting to know. It may be that a mass infection of the 20s could strain the NHS and id rethink my view if any evidence suggested that was the case. I just thought given the deaths of healthy under 40s are negligible its unlikely tens of thousands would need ventilating. But thats just my view on a discussion board. |
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dr after dr whats the most suprising thing about the virus ,those under 50 in hospital
mayor of new York hospitals full of young people chief of biggest hospital in wales every bed is full and no one is over 60,weve got 20,30,40,50 yr olds taking up the beds italy don't think this doesn't effect everyone, but you carry on believing its the over 70,s only |
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it doesn't effect the young but when the lockdown ends trying getting a mask off one of the fooooker,s
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Have you looked at the stats? Do facts interest you at all?
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OH give me a link to the story of that Welsh hospital where everyone is under 60. Id love to read that,
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1TP is a good lad, just a bit of an acquired taste.
 The points he has made are all anecdotal, but they have all been reported in some degree or other. Which takes us back to the hard data which will be available to the government. |
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11 people under the age of 44 have died(RIP) in Ireland (402)
3 25-34 8 35-44 I have no idea of their underlying health condition but as said usually about 30% Irish cases at 12th April 10,387 1805 cases aged between 25-34,127 or 6.7% hospitalised 674 cases aged between 15-24, 43 or 2.3% hospitalised 81 cases aged between 5-14 5 hospitalised. Chilren under 5 56 cases 12 hospitalised. |
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Angoose you have far superior diplomatic skills to me.
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Sometimes I do.
By the way, here is the Welsh doctor. You can see the story contained within the website string. https://www.channel4.com/news/all-our-icu-patients-are-in-their-50s-or-younger-frontline-welsh-doctor-****covered-from-virus |
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1TP doesn't miss much in the media on subjects that he cares about.
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And he has a memory like an elephant.
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Yes I can see the story but the page isnt there. I just get page not found.
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Got the video of it now. Interesting though not quite how 1st time had explained it. Sounded like he meant the whole hospital not
just a unit of just over a dozen beds. And of course he didnt say they were all Covid 19 cases. Clearly not typical but fuller information would be interesting. |
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THE WELSH DR give long interviews to sky,ch 4 etc during the lead up to crisis and during it,AND I DONT TELL FOOOOKING LIES,
I can tell you for anyone who hasn't had his head stuck up his arris,despite 24/7 coverage there hasn't been a single word,theory,explantion uttered that Italian dr,s wernt saying live on tv 8 weeks ago,and there,s multiple threads from the likes of me,angoose etc on here up to 7/8 weeks ago discussing it |
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There is a strong implication that they are COVID-19 patients, he discusses what they thought they would experience based on information coming out of China and was thus surprised to find younger people requiring critical care.
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Keep your hair on 1TP
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Its clearly not typical as if it was more young people would have died. Without knowing the accuracy and reasons for this small sample I cant say anymore other than since over 50% of deaths in England are over 80 its obvious that in most ICUS this wont be the case. As for Italy the average age of deaths was 79 wasnt it.
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He cant Angoose. Its not possible. I remember him from the past.
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I,m a 60 yr old welder,should tell you everything about whats on top of my head
and its not fooooking much |