What happens to extremely vulnerable after 12 WEEKS?

lurka. Overwhelmed by who exactly? The young and healthy are barely effected by this. Sure there would be a few unlucky people but i cant imagine its going to be many.

How many healthy under 40's have died so far. I think its less than 10.

I agree with mrcombustible totally.

overwhelmed by people needing treatment all at the same time. The virus spreads like wildfire if you don't lock down. Why do you think all of these Nightingale Hospitals are being thrown up in a week even with a lockdown in place?

1TP I don't think you are at the peak yet.

744 dead today in England only, 10 in NI, 40 in Scotland

lurka. But once this peak is past and numbers fall back if you keep the vulnerable locked up and let out the young and healthy the vast majority wont need any treatment. Just look at the numbers of deaths in England so far. Its nearly all people with existing conditions or over 60.

Any chance that you could provide some data to back up your claimed figures ?

I don’t think anybody should be locked up except the Government

Older people and vulnerable need protecting. I would shop for my mother in any case. We need to get the Country back to work soon.

An example of what could have been done is keep the garden centres and DIY open with social distancing and protection of the workers with latex gloves, masks and plenty of hand sanitizer

People need to be kept occupied and there are plenty of nagging wives around ensure the home jobs got done. It would have saved tax payer money, helped keep the economy going and kept the lockdown secure.

They would not have been allowed to keep the food kiosks and kitchens open like they did at a Richmond Park then blamed the punters!

Construction, Road and Rail Workers should be allowed to get back working too imho.

The Tube in London and buses in all urban areas would be a problem for me

I noticed today the Postie was not wearing latex gloves....why not?

Still too much dumfukkery going on and little leadership from the Government

Yes, but what you said earlier was to let it spread rapidly. You can never do that. When you get over the peak you can open up gradually but if the spread goes up to a level where hospitals might get overwhelmed again you will have to lock down again and you will have to make that decision about 2 weeks beforehand based on projections as you did the first time. Also might be a second wave in Winter. Agree that for older people they need to isolate until there's a vaccine or large immunity no matter what.

Yes all my figures come from NHS england daily releases which you can see for yourself. On average in recent days its reported that 94% of all deaths had a pre existing conditions. It also shows only 95 under 40 have died and its logical to assume that a similar 94% of those had illnesses. Over half of all deaths were over 80.

Its clear that the risk to healthy under 40s is minimal.

But I think the UK government is more concerned about the economy than most and will open up as early as possible

Here are the ONS figures for England and Wales up to April 3 by age grouping.
Intersting that they don't compile these official figures within the same age groupings quoted by Dotchinite.

Age Group	Total	%
15-44	57	1.3%
45-64	529	11.7%
65-74	838	18.5%
75-84	1,596	35.3%
85+	1,506	33.3%
Total	4,526	100.0%

lurka Im talking about letting it spread once you have isolated the old and sick and perhaps the fat as well. I dont believe that a rapid spread amongst the rest is going to pressure the NHS that much.

It is minimal but not if hospitals get overwhelmed and a lot of them would still need hospital treatment of some sort. When hospitals get overwhelmed people can't get treatment and relatively healthy and younger people die at higher rates and people of all ages can die from all sorts of illnesses for the same reason.

Also think there is a scandal brewing in UK care homes. Why are they not being open about the death numbers? In a few other Euro countries 50% of the deaths are in care homes. UK is still only disclosing hospital deaths.

You appear to be calling me a liar when ive told you where i got the figures from.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-...

Apr 14, 2020 -- 2:25PM, Dotchinite wrote:

lurka Im talking about letting it spread once you have isolated the old and sick and perhaps the fat as well. I dont believe that a rapid spread amongst the rest is going to pressure the NHS that much.

I think of all governments, the UK's would be most willing on the planet to let it spread like that.

Trump prob would be as well, maybe not as much, but he has an election to think about and won't have enough time to sort this out and get the economy back up to speed before then, unless he can get it postponed.

obr predicts 2 million extra unemployed, will they include furloughed workers how does that work,if pubs,gymsleisure etc are allowed to open does furlough pay stop staraight away some of these loanbs etc arnt due top be given out for 2 months in june,if people police themselves for 6/12 months stay away either through choice  or lack of money the companies taking .loans will go anyway, cant see many interested in booking hols this year,
a lot of what the government money was supposed to try and stop will probably happen organically anyway

People in the high risk group are recommended to follow the gov advice (no contact for 12 weeks) but ultimately it is their choice whether to do so.  Indeed the gov has acknowledged that some within that group (e.g. patients with terminal cancer) are likely to choose not to follow the gov advice and rightly so

back down to un der 15,000 tests in a day ,10,000 under what doris promised 6 weeks ago and a mere 85,000 short of handjobs target for just over 2 weeks time

Dotchinite, you jumped to a conclusion, something that it is best to avoid.

As to your suggestion that there would not be a strain placed on the NHS should social distancing be put in place only for the most vulnerable, this is not in alignment with the advice given to the government.

It certainly read like that to me Angoose. So you now accept the figures i was quoting were accurate.

In regard to the age groupings, yes you were quoting accurately quoting figures from a reliable source.

Based on the fact that virtually no healthy people under 40 have died what makes people think that if this virus could be spread solely amongst this section of the community it would overwhelm the NHS.

The analysis provided by Imperial College shown above.

5,252 new confirmed cases reported today, a daily average of 5,029 between April 11 and April 14.
The daily average for the first ten days of April was 4,799.

This suggests we have not yet arrived at the peak.

Not sure which of those lines represent what in suggesting.

I also thought they were building critical care capacity?

For clarity, what are you suggesting ?

All "healthy" under 40's to be set free from  lockdown ?
Something else ?

You can build as much critical care capacity as you want relatively quickly, but you can't create trained staff to work there with the same speed.

However you try to apply "licence to roam" freedoms to sections of the population, it will create significant resentment and be very difficult to police.

No easy answers.

Here is a description of the various measures that are charted.

I was suggesting waiting until past the peak then letting out young fit and healthy people. Id leave it to the experts to judge what range of ages would be best to start with but from the figures to date virtually no under 40s who were healthy have died from this. Of course a few would if millions were infected and more might need treatment especially the fat.
If the old and ill were safely locked up they shouldnt be at risk and i just cant see how enough 20s or 30s would need treatment to overwhelm the NHS.
Ive read the descriptions and none of them are close to what im suggesting.


We are going to have to do something soon anyway regardless of new cases as the economic price is soaring out of control and I cant see any better alternatives.

I think resentment already exists from the young and they are the ones who are locked down for no personal benefit. In fact lots have lost an awful lot. THe old and sick shouldnt be resentful of anything as all this is for their benefit.

I think resentment already exists from the young and they are the ones who are locked down for no personal benefit. In fact lots have lost an awful lot. THe old and sick shouldnt be resentful of anything as all this is for their benefit.

Yep

I have every sympathy for the youngsters. My generation is Fceking things up for them

Death figures look like the 2015 Flu figures on one Graph I seen , difference being they were not reported daily

772 Todays figure , Thought would be more , after the weekend ,can hopefully see us heading towards
the 600 Figure by the weekend ..

IT is saying that he's in the extremely vulnerable group. This is not to be confused with the people deemed to be vulnerable, eg over 70.

The government and advisers have said all along, the number one aim is to reduce the stress on the NHS as a whole, ie ensuring anyone who needs care in a hospital can get it. So the measures have reduced the spread while increasing NHS capacity.

The extremely vulnerable group is a massive challenge. My understanding is that the letter said shielding was to last at least 12 weeks. It may come down to amounts what is a personal choice, once the pressure on the NHS is fully under control.

Think IT spot on the Vulnerable will be 12 months ..... As for everyone else will be a shift 1st of June getting many back to work , Some sports will return BCD , Financially the LOCKDOWN cannot
go on will have more affect than the Virus Going Forward ..

You would have to assume that the UK govt are going to let it spread even more after the first peak if they are building numerous hospitals that haven't been used during the first peak. There is no other reason why they'd build them. Focus still seems to be to let people get infected after reopening rather than tracking and tracing like most countries will and WHO advise.

Cider spot on , My mo in law 77 no lung problems , many in their 70s are , as for the very vulnerable Lockdown how many leave the house any way ??

My feeling is that the government will be resistant to keeping the extremely vulnerable under effective house arrest and separated from family indefinitely. It will come down to a personal choice.

Yes lock down is a poor word. Of course all people should be allowed to go out should they wish.

As should all young and fit people be allowed to stay in their bedrooms cowering for as long as they want to. So long as they arent being paid for by the state once this initial period is over.

Id sooner be dead than locked away in terror personally- we will all be dead eventually, it's about quality of life and expecting the young to be holed up protecting a tiny percentage of people when the government is encouraging elderly people to sign do not resuscitate documents is not only complete hypocrisy but madness. If the vulnerable are concerned, they should be indoors and allow the healthy to live their lives which lets face it is limited for everyone

Good post wolf.

Interesting post Wolf.

My situation is my wife has chronic heart problems. I read with her issue mortality if end up in hospital with Covid is around 50%.

I could not live with myself if I went out and brought it back into the house.

But can we really be isolated for over a year? I am a gambler but no idea how to measure up this risk.

Sorry to hear of your wifes health issues Insider, perhaps it warrants speaking to a cardio specialist in more detail to get clarity

What do you do with all the people that aren't in the at risk group but do not want to come out until there is a vaccine, let's assume all the "young" will, but what about if you've got a bunch of 40/50 year olds that fill 1000's of jobs that are fearful with no vaccine available amid the likelihood that 1000's more will get infected before this is over and don't want to risk it.

Do we tell them that they need to pull themselves together? There might be more jobs available for the young to fill so it might work out.

I would imagine you couldn't pay most sensible people to get on a tube

Coronavirus distancing may need to continue until 2022, say experts
Scientists say one-time lockdown will not bring pandemic under control

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Physical distancing measures may need to be in place intermittently until 2022, scientists have warned in an analysis that suggests there could be resurgences of Covid-19 for years to come.

The paper, published in the journal Science, concludes that a one-time lockdown will not be sufficient to bring the pandemic under control and that secondary peaks could be larger than the current one without continued restrictions.

One scenario predicted a resurgence could occur as far in the future as 2025 in the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment.

Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard and co-author of the study, said: “Infections spread when there are two things: infected people and susceptible people. Unless there is some enormously larger amount of herd immunity than we’re aware of … the majority of the population is still susceptible.



“Predicting the end of the pandemic in the summer [of 2020] is not consistent with what we know about the spread of infections.”

In its daily briefings, the UK government has not outlined plans beyond the current restrictions, but the latest paper adds to a building scientific consensus that physical distancing may be required for considerably longer in order to keep case numbers within hospitals’ critical care capacity.

Papers released by the government’s scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) in March suggested that the UK would need to alternate between periods of more and less strict physical distancing measures for a year to have a plausible chance of keeping the number of critical care cases within capacity.



The prospect of intermittent distancing raises difficult questions about what guidance will be given to high-risk groups, including over-70s and those with compromised immune systems.

It may be possible to relax distancing measures periodically while maintaining cases within a volume that health services can cope with, but the grave health risks of infection to some people will remain the same until a vaccine or highly effective treatments are available.

New treatments, a vaccine, or increasing critical care capacity could alleviate the need for stringent physical distancing, according to the paper in Science. “But in the absence of these, surveillance and intermittent distancing may need to be maintained into 2022,” the authors conclude.


The overall numbers of cases in the next five years, and the level of distancing required, were found to depend crucially on the overall current levels of infection and whether all those who are infected gain immunity and, if so, for how long. The authors cautioned that these are big unknowns and that a precise prediction of the long-term dynamics is not possible.

If immunity is permanent, Covid-19 could disappear for five or more years after the first outbreak, the paper suggests. If people have immunity for about a year, as is seen for some other circulating coronaviruses, an annual outbreak cycle would be the most likely outcome.

Asked to speculate on which of these scenarios was more likely, Lipsitch said: “Reasonable guesses are that there might be partial protection for close to a year. On the long end, it might be several years of good protection. It’s really speculative at this point.”

Under all scenarios considered, however, the models found that a one-time lockdown would result in a resurgence after restrictions are lifted.

Serological surveys, assessing the proportion of the population carrying protective antibodies, will be crucial to establish whether people have long-lasting immunity.



Other teams have found evidence that the immune response varies across people, with those who only have mild or no symptoms showing a far weaker response.

Prof Marion Koopmans, the head of virology at the Erasmus University Medical Centre in Rotterdam, whose team is studying the antibody response of those infected, said complete and permanent protection would be unusual for a respiratory virus.

“What you would expect to see – hope to see – is that people who have had it once … the disease would get milder,” she said before the latest paper was released.

Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at Edinburgh University, said: “This is an excellent study that uses mathematical models to explore the dynamics of Covid-19 over a period of several years, in contrast to previously published studies that have focused on the coming weeks or months.

“It is important to recognise that it is a model; it is consistent with current data but is nonetheless based on a series of assumptions – for example about acquired immunity – that are yet to be confirmed. The study should therefore be regarded as suggesting possible scenarios rather than making firm predictions.”

An interesting read, further confirming that there is more unknown that is currently known about this virus.

be ironic if the knuckledraggers after Brexit, have to go around the streets,shopping,pubs etc wearing afacemask for the next 2 years,after wanting them banned, ,wonder what doris will label everyone for wearing them,

Anyone with any sense will think twice before rushing out and embracing their family and neighbours in abundance for quite a while.

Sorry to hear of your wifes health issues Insider, perhaps it warrants speaking to a cardio specialist in more detail to get clarity

Why do you need to speak to a specialist?

If you are vulnerable protect yourself or those close to you if they are.

If she has to go to hospital there is a good chance she will die.

If she goes on a ventilator there is more than a 50% chance she will die.

Don’t take any chances, keep her safe and be careful when you go out.

Maybe wolf might suggest you take some advice from the Prime Minister, The Health Secretary or The Chief Medical Officer. I have noticed you have been one of the few Insider Trader to defend them. Perhaps you should ask them for advice on how to avoid catching the virus and killing your wife.

Reported on local news tonight that the Nightingale hospital in the North East due to open at the end of the month unlikely to be needed. North East and Cumbria hospitals only half full.Lots of areas where this thing hasn`t got a grip.

the number of cases in Sunderland has jumped from 365 recorded yesterday to 647 today, a rise of 282 patients.
In South Tyneside, it has gone from 125 cases up to 217, a rise of 92 people

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Sorry to hear of your wifes health issues Insider, perhaps it warrants speaking to a cardio specialist in more detail to get clarity

Why do you need to speak to a specialist?

If you are vulnerable protect yourself or those close to you if they are.

If she has to go to hospital there is a good chance she will die.

If she goes on a ventilator there is more than a 50% chance she will die.

Don’t take any chances, keep her safe and be careful when you go out.

Maybe wolf might suggest you take some advice from the Prime Minister, The Health Secretary or The Chief Medical Officer. I have noticed you have been one of the few Insider Trader to defend them. Perhaps you should ask them for advice on how to avoid catching the virus and killing your wife.

^

I did take Boris' advice and we locked down on the 23rd March when he spoke about shielding the vulnerable. So far so good. It will be interesting to see what the advice is after the 12 weeks is up. Re-reading it actually says 'at least' 12 weeks.

My question was more how does this actually become safe ever without a cure or vaccine.

* Correction 16 March

Sorry IT it doesn’t get any safer. There probably will be a vaccine but we do not know how effective it will be. Just do what you are doing and follow your instincts. If I could say one thing in all honesty please do not believe what the Government tell you. Protect your wife at all times. They are looking* to manage the strain in the NHS not protect vulnerable people. If they wanted to protect vulnerable people all the care workers would have had proper PPE. The virus will come back when we go back to work but they hope to manage it over the summer. They have the Nightingales at the ready in case it kicks off again and goes out of control.

Yes IT as an older person I'd be most worried about all these Nightingale hospitals being thrown up but remaining empty. I don't think the UK is past its peak like some on here do. But it looks to me like they are containing the spread they let get out of hand in the early stages and will then open up the lockdown and let it spread even more once the initial wave has peaked and they have more capacity in place.

They still want herd immunity ASAP and we already know that they are worried about a second wave in Winter. They are not building all of these hospitals for nothing or for them to be left empty.

herd immunity

92,000 positive case just roughly 50 million short of what would be needed to achieve herd immunity, and still no evidence that virus reacts in same way that herd immunity would in normal flu etc

Another mug taking case numbers as if that's all of them Herd immunity is the only way to defeat a virus whether you like it or not, in the absence of a cure. That's the reality for the whole of Europe now, whether you achieve it via infection or a vaccine or a bit of both. The question is how many deaths are you willing to allow in order to get there. How quickly are you willing to let it spread to get there sooner? And from all the evidence, the UK is the most willing country in Europe if not the world to get there ASAP.

Apr 15, 2020 -- 11:56AM, lurka wrote:

Yes IT as an older person I'd be most worried about all these Nightingale hospitals being thrown up but remaining empty. I don't think the UK is past its peak like some on here do. But it looks to me like they are containing the spread they let get out of hand in the early stages and will then open up the lockdown and let it spread even more once the initial wave has peaked and they have more capacity in place.They still want herd immunity ASAP and we already know that they are worried about a second wave in Winter. They are not building all of these hospitals for nothing or for them to be left empty.

lurka, like yourself I cannot yet see evidence that the peak of new cases has passed in the UK.
Average daily new cases for April 11 - 14 has been 5,029, was 4,799 between April 1 and 10.

As for the Nightingale hospitals, there is a significant element of politics behind their creation.

The government was concerned regarding tv pictures of overstretched hospitals during the winter season BEFORE COVID-19 became an issue, thus are taking no chances now the virus is here.

A bit like your car insurance, you spend the money but hope that you never have to use it.
The threat of a second wave is real, maintaining extra medical capacity a sensible move.

On an optimistic note maybe in 8/9 weeks time the rate of an infected person passing it on goes well below what the scientists hoped, ie something like infected person infects .43 of another persons,you know i am saying but not putting it great. It is quite a long time away.

I would agree with being suspicious of "official" advice, the gut is screaming.Northern Ireland is supposed is be pinpointing where cases and or deaths occured( i read that somewhere).
So in the dark, if i walked say through downtown Coventry city centre i would like to know what percentage of the people around me have it,they do County numbers and specific hospital deaths but that isn't enough but that goes back to testing again.

I,m not a mug,i,m quoting the only official number the rest is guesswork, 80% of population getting it as now been revised down to any number you may care to pick,one expert saying it could be as low as 10% of population, as for all these millions of yoing fit people getting it and hardly noticing they've had it, the  mildest case ive heard of is matt hancock and even he said it knocked fook out of him and he felt like he was swallowing razor blades,everyone else is just guessing they've had it ,like myself probably confusing it with noirmal flu

I know you're not a mug 1TP, apologies. But taking case numbers as if that's all the cases, esp in UK which has one of the lowest tests per capita numbers is a bit silly. Using case numbers as any sort of indicator is really. Death numbers and deaths per capita is the only half reliable metric but only between countries at the same stage of progression of the virus. Spain and Italy are far ahead of the UK but people still comparing them.

*one of the lowest tests per capita in Europe

The countries that have acted fast like New Zealand,Denmark,Switzerland,Austria,Finland etc seem to have it under control now.They if already haven't can almost return to some semblance of normality.Of course density of population is different in most but they are the results you want,not a half baked herd immunity theory, too late to copy them.

has any country in the world got any evidence of a high % of positive cases whose sympton,s to coin a phrase A BLIND MAN WOULD BE GLAD TO SEE THEM

I wasn't saying that 1stposter, the symptons are dreadful, it was compared to a bad flu on here last month,that is clearly wrong,the spread of it is odd though,the social distancing seem to be mostly working in the community but wrecking havoc in hospitals and care homes.
The 2 week lapse between carrying it and for it to show is so dangerous.

Some semblance of normality yes but they will have to keep borders shut or implement heavy controls and risk another outbreak for much longer time.

Despite talk of peaks etc, it is still very early stages in this whole clusterfúck and the picture looks different weekly and will look a lot different in a year. The relative effectiveness of the strategy of countries who have it contained versus those who don't is not really something it is wise to compare at any stage this year imo. Economically, it is better to take a lot of pain early and get it over with or a little pain drawn out over a much longer period? Not something which can be judged now either.

the symptons are dreadful
but the herd immunity is based on millions of young people having it  and hardly noticing it,but as yet theres no little evidence of these people in big numbers been out there, and you can hardly call it a strategy if they end up not been out there

Yes Lurka,most definitely a local based economy with little/no movement for a while(maybe a year?)
Even if it went "herd immunity" would it be so different time wise? people won't be willing to participate imo.

Fair point 1stposter,won't they come home to the family house?

A third to a quarter of fatalities in Ireland have no underlying health conditions,i presume that is replicted here, the median age of fatalities in Ireland is high but enough not so old.

Whether they say it or not it is the reality now tho. This will require restrictive measures until immunity in the population is built up and then it can be treated like flu is, ie no lockdowns.

Totally agree^

Here in England well over 90% of deaths are people with underlying issues and over half of them are aged over 80.

Indeed and it is people with underlying issues that this thread is about.

the 92% of people adhering to lockdown,happy about the lockdown and indeed a majority in favour of a harder lockdown are in no hurry to get back on public transport,return to a busy workplace,go to the pub/eaterie,john lewis etc and very few of them are over 80 with underlying health conditions

Yes IT and its an awful situation for them but I dont think there is anything positive that can be suggested other than a long extended isolation for vulnerable people and those that cannot avoid contact with them.

If anything a quick exit strategy that let it spread to the young and fit rapidly could be in everyones interest.

idris elba,hancock,arteta,johnson,,cummings,care home workers,nhs staff,public service workers,young people interviewed on sky wernt in any of the description giving out 10 weeks ago that would be laid low,flatened,hospitalised by this virus,if it were free to let rip evidence from around the world suggests many of these young fit people  wouldn't just shrug it off,and unlike the bravehearts bon here volunteering them,think lots of these people who couldn't give a foook 6 weeks ago, now have a different mind set

THe stats say that virtually zero healthy people under 40 have died in England. You may be so terrified of this you dont want facts but thats the case.

Dotch, I am not aware of a single data set that details the prior health condition of those who have died.
There is a summary provided on a daily basis, I am not aware if this is subsequently consolidated.

There is data on the age groupings of deaths, but is there similair data on those receiving treatment ?
That would be a very useful data set, understanding how it impacts those who appear not to be in the vulnerable groupings.

Just becuase they do not die, does not mean that they do not require treatment, thus placing a strain on the NHS.

The likes of Idris Elba /arteta had no symptoms and barely knew they had it. The average age of those dead in Italy is 80 with deaths under 40 so rare it makes the headline news. The facts are you are more likely to die in a motoring accident if you are under 50 never mind 40 so expecting all of society to grind to a halt makes no sense to me

and what happens when lockdown if lifted? The whole thing starts up again. The virus started with one person so all it will take is someone coming in from overseas to start the whole circus again and we all know how tight Uk is with immigration control

Don't need anyone to come from abroad, we are uncovering 4,944 new cases a day (last five days).

Angoose. Until yesterday i think it was the independent who in their summary said something like out of 850 deaths 42 had no underlying issues and there ages ranged from 10 to 90. I read that 5 days in the row and it was pretty consistent at around 93/4%.

Ive not seen anything like you suggest and of course that would be interesting to know. It may be that a mass infection of the 20s could strain the NHS and id rethink my view if any evidence suggested that was the case.
I just thought given the deaths of healthy under 40s are negligible its unlikely tens of thousands would need ventilating.
But thats just my view on a discussion board.

dr after dr whats the most suprising thing about the virus ,those under 50 in hospital
mayor of new York hospitals full of young people
chief of biggest hospital in wales every bed is full and no one is over 60,weve got 20,30,40,50 yr olds taking up the beds
italy don't think this doesn't effect everyone,

but you carry on believing its the over 70,s only

it doesn't effect the young but when the lockdown ends trying getting a mask off one of the fooooker,s

Have you looked at the stats? Do facts interest you at all?

OH give me a link to the story of that Welsh hospital where everyone is under 60. Id love to read that,

1TP is a good lad, just a bit of an acquired taste.

The points he has made are all anecdotal, but they have all been reported in some degree or other.
Which takes us back to the hard data which will be available to the government.

11 people under the age of 44 have died(RIP) in Ireland (402)

3 25-34 8 35-44

I have no idea of their underlying health condition but as said usually about 30%

Irish cases at 12th April 10,387

1805 cases aged between 25-34,127 or 6.7% hospitalised
674 cases aged between 15-24, 43 or 2.3% hospitalised
81 cases aged between 5-14 5 hospitalised.
Chilren under 5 56 cases 12 hospitalised.

Angoose you have far superior diplomatic skills to me.

Sometimes I do.

By the way, here is the Welsh doctor.
You can see the story contained within the website string.

https://www.channel4.com/news/all-our-icu-patients-are-in-their-50s-or-younger-frontline-welsh-doctor-****covered-from-virus

1TP doesn't miss much in the media on subjects that he cares about.

And he has a memory like an elephant.

Yes I can see the story but the page isnt there. I just get page not found.

Got the video of it now. Interesting though not quite how 1st time had explained it. Sounded like he meant the whole hospital not
just a unit of just over a dozen beds. And of course he didnt say they were all Covid 19 cases. Clearly not typical but fuller information would be interesting.

THE WELSH DR give long interviews to sky,ch 4 etc during the lead up to crisis and during it,AND I DONT TELL FOOOOKING LIES,
I can tell you for anyone who hasn't had his head stuck up his arris,despite 24/7 coverage there hasn't been a single word,theory,explantion uttered that Italian dr,s wernt saying live on tv 8 weeks ago,and there,s multiple threads from the likes of me,angoose etc on here up to 7/8 weeks ago discussing it

There is a strong implication that they are COVID-19 patients, he discusses what they thought they would experience based on information coming out of China and was thus surprised to find younger people requiring critical care.

Keep your hair on 1TP

Its clearly not typical as if it was more young people would have died. Without knowing the accuracy and reasons for this small sample I cant say anymore other than since over 50% of deaths in England are over 80 its obvious that in most ICUS this wont be the case. As for Italy the average age of deaths was 79 wasnt it.

He cant Angoose. Its not possible. I remember him from the past.

I,m a 60 yr old welder,should tell you everything about whats on top of my head

and its not fooooking much

wales is also under investigation as why to many peoples surprise is a uk hotspot for the virus