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casemoney
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Report casemoney April 6, 2020 3:38 PM BST
Prob about 440 when we get the other figures from around the UK
Report HGS April 6, 2020 3:40 PM BST
Can't be sure but think last Sunday and Monday were low in comparison to other days. (weekend results). Fear sky high number tomorrow and relieved if not.
Report casemoney April 6, 2020 3:41 PM BST
yes H Thought we would be at the thousand marker by now
Report foxy April 6, 2020 3:53 PM BST
2 in Scotland
Report casemoney April 6, 2020 3:55 PM BST
Finger crossed its at least Leveling out a bit ,we can only hope ....
Report geordie1956 April 6, 2020 4:11 PM BST
small steps in the right direction ... lets hope it continues day on day
hopefully there will be some thought towards an ease of the lockdown in a few weeks ... it give hope towards an end position providing we maintain strict safeguards with social distancing & protection of the old and vulnerable
Report casemoney April 6, 2020 4:13 PM BST
I would say another 3/4 weeks as is , Really needing testing to be available
Report lapsy pa April 6, 2020 4:14 PM BST
(RIP). Hopefully no future big jumps, postive news in other countries with infection rates going down,Norway considers it almost under control.
Report casemoney April 6, 2020 4:16 PM BST
What was the Eire Figure LP ?? is that out yet ?
Report lapsy pa April 6, 2020 4:22 PM BST
No,about 7 usually, dare i say it,it seems as if it hasn't gone mad as such,clusters in hospitals/nursing homes the main worry.
Report equine flew April 6, 2020 4:26 PM BST
Yes a significant drop and interesting to see the UK death figures before the effects of the lockdown even begin to be seen.

Caution definitely advised, as you indicated over the last 3 weekends the Monday number (post weekend) has bucked the steady dialy rises trend.
Report GAZO April 6, 2020 4:33 PM BST
could it be something to do with how deaths are registered or not over the weekend ?
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 4:37 PM BST
439 the official UK figure for today, 3,802 new positive tests, down from 5,903 yesterday.
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 4:41 PM BST
Report maleuk01. April 6, 2020 4:48 PM BST
hopefully we will see a decline day on day now and the full result of the lockdown reduce the number of cases too.

Spain has had 4 day's on the spin of reduced deaths, which is a positive sign.
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 5:00 PM BST
Yeah but as someone pointed out last week its the weekend, expect a massive increase tomorrow, I'll say 900+ tomorrow with 6000+ cases
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 5:01 PM BST
Wouldn't be surprised if it goes over 1000 either, absolute carnage incoming tomorrow in my opinion
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 5:12 PM BST
So basically the deaths that happened at the weekend wont be added until tomorrow and Wednesday, that's how the numbers get messed around with
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 5:29 PM BST
Latest data from Italy.
Italy has recorded 132k positive test, 93k of these remain active.

Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 5:36 PM BST
Italy doesn't seem to be improving at all

And they've been locked down for over 3 weeks
Report Reynard April 6, 2020 5:38 PM BST
Judging by above graphs it looks as though Italy peaked a couple of weeks ago .
Then again , graphs , statistics etc. ............... Plain
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 5:40 PM BST
Still 700 deaths a day though that's not improvement
Report Reynard April 6, 2020 5:42 PM BST
Could be argued that 700 is an improvement on 900 , although I guess not if you're one of the 700 .
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 5:53 PM BST
Lots of talk about the virus reaching its peak, not so much talk about a definition of peak.

If you look at the Italian death rate for completed cases, it has remained reasonably consistent for some time.

On 10 March, they had recorded 631 deaths and 1,004 people had recovered, death rate of 38.6%.
By 20 March, this had changed to 4,032 deaths, 5,129 recovered, death rate of 44.0%.
By 31 March, this was 12,428, 15,729, 44.1%.
Today, 16,523, 22,837, 42.0%.

They currently have 93,187 active cases.
Quite scary if you apply the current death rate to that figure.

From 20 March to 31 March, there was a daily average of 5,396 new cases.
For the first six days of April, that has dropped to 4,459 new cases per day.
Report i_agree_with_nick April 6, 2020 6:00 PM BST
The peak is the maximum number of new cases on a given day.
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 6:01 PM BST
The less critical cases the more people can be treated sufficently

Yet we are hearing majority of us don't ever experience symptoms

PlainPlain
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 6:04 PM BST
Our peak hasn't hit yet, we'll probably hit it this weekend, it'll hover there for a bit and then steadily drop over the next 3 to 4 weeks

Italy are well passed the peak line? meaning we really should have already hit our peak but they moved the modelling data back
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 6:11 PM BST

Apr 6, 2020 -- 6:00PM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:


The peak is the maximum number of new cases on a given day.


Appears a reasonable definition to me, but the media focus is on deaths which can be anything from 5 to 30 days after hospitalization.

Report Angoose April 6, 2020 6:14 PM BST
Of course, when you are testing less than 10k per day, then suddenly jump to 100k per day, it would not be unreasonable to see a sharp rise in the number of new cases.
Report i_agree_with_nick April 6, 2020 6:19 PM BST
A study in the Lancet estimated that travel restrictions in Wuhan caused R0 to drop from 2.35 to 1.05 after just one week.  (R0 being the reproductive rate.)

The R0 value needs to drop to below one to bring the outbreak under control.


From The Telegraph:

According to a pre-print study from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine published this week, the average number of people an individual comes into contact with each day has dropped by 73 per cent since the UK’s lockdown began.

“This would be sufficient to reduce R0 from a value from 2.6 before the lockdown to 0.62 during the lockdown, indicating that physical distancing interventions are effective,” the study, which tracked over 1,300 adults and has not yet been peer reviewed, concluded.
Report i_agree_with_nick April 6, 2020 6:21 PM BST
Of course, when you are testing less than 10k per day, then suddenly jump to 100k per day, it would not be unreasonable to see a sharp rise in the number of new cases.

Yes.  Maybe they'll keep two separate sets of figures?
Report SontaranStratagem April 6, 2020 6:32 PM BST
Slowing hospital admission mind

They are going to look like total fools if they don't get to hospitalise anyone in that nightingale hospital
Report i_agree_with_nick April 6, 2020 6:38 PM BST
Are there figures available for hospital admissions?  I guess they'll be roughly in line with the number of cases (minus those that have been privately tested and not admitted.)
Report onlooker April 6, 2020 6:43 PM BST
Today's Daily Conference - opened by stating just that.

The New Cases are just 'Hospital Admissions'
Report onlooker April 6, 2020 6:47 PM BST
SontaranStratagem 06 Apr 20 17:32 

Slowing hospital admission mind

They are going to look like total fools if they don't get to hospitalise anyone in that nightingale hospital
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Typically CHEAP, biased, PREDICTABLE and unnecessary shot - by you Sontanstragem Cry

Most rational people would be delighted if the Nightingale Hospital was eventually NOT NEEDED.
Report HGS April 6, 2020 7:10 PM BST
Would be great if the Nightingale didn't need one patient.
Report lapsy pa April 6, 2020 7:14 PM BST
It would,looking at Italy though once you go into hospital,you aren't getting out quickly,it is very "prolonged" there.
I think the caution with above posters with todays figures are probably right.
Report GoBallistic April 6, 2020 7:29 PM BST
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Nightingale full while keeping other surrounding hospitals as covid-free as possible ?
Report Angoose April 6, 2020 8:24 PM BST
I'm sure the medical experts have considered the best way to make use of an additional facility.
Remember, it is not a full blown hospital.
Report maleuk01. April 7, 2020 4:43 PM BST
786 today Cry

when will the lockdown start taking any effect?

or are those figures because of the lockdown and be much higher if no lockdown?
Report i_agree_with_nick April 7, 2020 4:46 PM BST
I think the first numbers which show improvement as a result of the lockdown will be the number of cases.
Report Angoose April 7, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Yes, it is the leading indicator that will provide the first sign, not the lagging indicator.
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