UK to do well to be under 20000 deaths

Old news, this is simply repeating the message that was delivered from the Imperial College report of March 16.
Do keep up.

tell that to your pals at the bbc its hot news on their news feeds

50,000 people die in England and Wales every month anyway

60k not unusual for March. Not allowed to introduce perspective though.....

56,706 registered deaths in England and Wales during January of this year, 43,653 in February.

March 2017 48,664, 2018 51,229, 2019 43,946

yes but the corporal Jones of the forum is in full meltdown "Panic don't panic" the goose is here

Facts, I deal in facts, figures, and verifiable data.

no you don't goosebumps  you revel in grabbing  copying and pasting  panic style whip it up news

not sure why you do it

especially when there is so many markets out there to bet on

ok lets see how many more people die over the next 12 months the figures could show a narked drop off in the back end of the year due to seriously ill people dying off sooner rather than later. The numbers are still quite low considering the reaction

Good point macarony.

Could be a high total for ‘20 and lower in ‘21. Nothing will be said though.

you are not implying that the 'excited' on here might be rather disappointed?

will they include the flu and other related diseases lumped in to make the targets?

Number of deaths in Spain .

2018    474,523  = 1300 per day.
2017    424,523  = 1163
2016    410,611
2015    422,568

Massive jump from ‘17.

Incredible differences in Spain.

And your analysis of this says  .......

Macarony

Have you considered the possibility that the numbers are still quite low BECAUSE of the reaction.

There was a report that 500,000 would die if we basically do f-all. The 20,000 is a "low" figure because we are not behaving normally.

is that theory a bit complex to understand?

There is no number or set of actions that will cause the deniers to think rationally.
The more evidence that is presented, the more they will retreat in to their insular worlds of conspiracy.

Mar 28, 2020 -- 10:20PM, macarony wrote:

ok lets see how many more people die over the next 12 months the figures could show a narked drop off in the back end of the year due to seriously ill people dying off sooner rather than later. The numbers are still quite low considering the reaction

Long-term the effects can go either way.

On the one hand we could see a drop off in pollution and less impact of climate change.

But the flip side, the economic implication could result in more poverty and food poverty, how many people have had different types of hospital treatment cancelled, already increased reported numbers of domestic violence across the world.

A 50k increase in Spanish deaths from 17 to 18 is significant. Did the football season finish that year?

Mexico do you belive that the cause of action we are taking is going to have one iota of difference? vunreable people are still having to fend for themselves by going out the house for basic requirements.
If the government had proveded for them then they could have self isolated in safety while the rest of society went about their normal business, because this virus will have little or no impact on the vast majority of the population

So go and so some research and see what the underlying causes were determined to be.

macaroni, how old are you, just give a range if you don’t want to be precise.
Also, can you provide some idea of the basis for your analysis, they may want to recruit you at Imperial College.

Cummings was also looking for some new staff.

Yes Macarony

I do believe that the course of action we are taking is going to have one iota of difference. I believe "social distancing " will help medics & reduce number of deaths.



So do you believe carrying on as normal or staying this "lockdown " will result in basically the same amount of hospital cases & sane amount of deaths?

If the lockdown is proved to be effective, it could be used every year there’s a spike in winter deaths..

What is this obsession about number of deaths?
That isn't what this is about
The lock down is about the fact this virus makes a lot more people critically ill and thus need ventilation, long spells in hospital
They are trying not to overwhelm the NHS, plus they don't want the doctors to be put into position where they are choosing who lives and dies, based on criteria. These people would ordinarily live in normal circumstances if ventilated.
Imagine the mental disintegration of that over a period of time
Think about what the doctors and nurses are going through, they are only human.
The mental cost will be huge for both doctors and nurses.
About 50 doctors have died in Italy, that's years and years of experience and skill wiped out in a few weeks. Add many more nurses etc the results are catastrophic
We need to look past the deaths to the social/economic ramifications, they are huge and will be felt for years

Yep

Or maybe they could offer vulnerable groups a vaccine to keep down hospital visits to a level the NHS could cope with.

Wonder why the government haven't offered everybody a vaccine for the Covid19 virus. Very strange- it is almost as if they don't have a vaccine.

Nobody has a vaccine yet

A good point Jucel.

Does cut down options for government, they basically say stay at home to try and limit spread or carry on and accept that NHS can't cope & over hundred thousand people die (maybe 500k)

Not really a choice, which I guess is why every country is doing something similar.

Imagine the glory for which country wins the race for the vaccine

Like winning the World Cup

yes mexico it will make no difference at all because people are still going out to shop etc and this 2m apart and face masks and gloves will not stop the spread of the virus because most transmission is throught the soft membrane in the eye and nose.
Closeing down most businesses will only result in wrecking the economy with pratical benefit what so ever.
My wife works in the care industry and I have done most of her repetative annual coursework for the last 12 years, pointless and repetative time wasting done in your own time not theirs

It may be scientists from different countries working at a university.
A few leaders would like to be associated (especially if election in November)

Prob Nobel prize for medicine for the scientists. BBC will find some female who made it all possible even if group was all male.

The biggest threat to the NHS is the long term damage to the economy this shutdown will have see how many busineeses reopen after the hysteria dies down no busisiness no tax no tax no NHS

Mac

Very easy to find an extra £10bn a year - just stick 2p on basic income tax.


Meanwhile every scientist says this virus will overwhelm the NHS & every country has imposed various forms of social distancing.
Mac - you seem to be playing the part of Tom Baker/Captain Rum in saying "Opinion is devided on this"

500,00 dead is the prediction of doing basically nothing. & economy would still take a hit - nobody would allow anyone from UK to enter their country for months if we did f-all.

how do you know  ?

Prob Nobel prize for medicine for the scientists. BBC will find some female who made it all possible even if group was all male.

They are fast tracking Alex Scott through an Open University course in Medicine as we speak!!!

duffy    do not get me started about her and that!!!!!!!!!

Mar 28, 2020 -- 11:06PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Imagine the glory for which country wins the race for the vaccineLike winning the World Cup

Bill Gates

neither lockdown nor deaths is good macarony   ...  but we don't know enough about this virus  yet ...it could've gone onto to kill 200 ,000  or more even .

   who  do you isolate  and for how long ?    not a pleasant  bug to pick up either ,young neigbour sounds like sh'es been at deaths door all this week  with it   ...  it's not the sort of  thing you can just go to work with .

economy will be back on it's feet in no time ... people don't stop buying sofa's or beds ...     gives the world a bit of perspective  ...fook the money anyway

[i]Very easy to find an extra £10bn a year - just stick 2p on basic income tax.[/i
where did you get that figure from? is it based on pre headless chicken tax recipts because tax reciepts will be grately reduced in the future? and it will be all for nothing

Well done Macarony

Not only will you win Nobel prize for medicine for knowing how to do with this killer virus (I.e. Do f-all)

But you will also win the Nobel prize for economics.

Way to go Captain Rum. Let the thousands die so we can have a pint at Epsom.

but what do you know

who said do nothing mexico? I sais isolate the vunerable not the rest of society and as for economics if you have less earning then there is less to tax yes?

Moisok

I have enough intelligence and education to understand what a virus is and who to listen to regarding information on a virus.
Hence I know enough to know where to get information.

Sorry to disappoint you Moisok but DavidTheSonOfGodIcke.com does not have the answers.

nice Purple patch tho

Captain Rum,

You actually think your plan would work.

Well done - you are special. Have a gold star for effort.

Mar 28, 2020 -- 10:14PM, Angoose wrote:

Facts, I deal in facts, figures, and verifiable data.

Good to know and pleased to read it.  Would you verify this for us from the UK self sufficient for food fred please?

Angoose • March 28, 2020 1:33 PM GMT

The lockdown bans people from going to their allotments.

I guess the second line was just a joke and not to be taken seriously.

A restriction almost certainly devised personally by Johnson to as a final dig at Corbyn

I did ask the same on said fred but I guess you missed it -

trilby22 • March 28, 2020 5:06 PM GMT

The lockdown bans people from going to their allotments.

Got any evidence to back that up please?

https://www.nsalg.org.uk/news/covid19-information/

UPDATED 26/03/20
Following the instructions around movement and gatherings from the Prime Minister on 23 March 2020, we are consulting with central government but as we understand the situation at the moment it is still permitted to visit your plot, to take daily exercise on their own or with members of your household. It is vitally important that you follow all the advice about social distancing and hygiene in the points below and not gather together on site.

Michael Gove confirmed today March 24th 2020 on BBC TV that Plot Holders should maintain their plots during the UK Coronavirus Lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa0ezyIg8V8

LOL captF.

I forgot about Icke's "touquoise" period. So much positive energy in that colour.

If the first country to get the vaccine will be like winning the World Cup...

I'm backing a Germany v USA final

as I have said many times mex   you big mouth sods who think you are it and know every thing, come on here throwing (what you think) is your weight around like some deep thought experienced communicable disease expert makes me sick

now jog off and leave it to the experts

and mex also a polar bear denier  ho ho   - keep pumping that money into the wwf conspiracy and fraudulent enterprise

Angoose is obsessed with people dying,must be a undertaker or summit

People getting obsessed with death numbers.. a bit like waiting for stock markets to open.

Btw... Has anyone famous died from cv yet? (The bloke from real Madrid doesn't count)

Mar 29, 2020 -- 12:10AM, mecca wrote:

If the first country to get the vaccine will be like winning the World Cup...I'm backing a Germany v USA final

Oxford University are working hard and have something in the pipeline with the catchy name of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19.

Eager forumites can voluteer to be guinea pigs

https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/

Scott do you go out of your way to talk monumental b0ll0cks everytime you post or is it something you do all the time? Tiresome old tart.

Winter deaths will go up naturally now every year because the baby boomers are all getting to the age when they are in the time of life when the bugs get them. Lots more people reaching older age now.

Good luck to Oxford university.... But I reckon that they'll get knocked out in the quarter finals

Mar 29, 2020 -- 12:54AM, terry mccann wrote:

Scott do you go out of your way to talk monumental b0ll0cks everytime you post or is it something you do all the time? Tiresome old tart.

Just as well as I don't value your opinion then isn't it #DumbAsARock

500000 down to 20000.

So because of the measures only 4% of the population will get the virus that would have done otherwise? Have I got this right?

Yes, good isn’t it. Stay indoors, crash the economy and fewer die. Looking forward to next winter! Apparently covid -20 is just months away.

Oxford University are working hard and have something in the pipeline with the catchy name of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19.

Lets hope they patent it and have another graphene debacle where china and the US make billions from Manchester Uni hard work