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By:
Angoose
When: 27 Mar 20 18:05

Mar 27, 2020 -- 6:04PM, edy wrote:


Were the UK still doing cabinet meetings together instead of over the internet?


Number 10 is a rabbit warren, you heard several reporters speaking of narrow corridors and lots of staff inside the various offices.

By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 18:06
Our Parliament was still up and running until a couple of days ago, Edy. So yes, our cabinet must have been in close contact on many occasions. About half of them could be down with it at this rate.
By:
edy
When: 27 Mar 20 18:07
The German cabinet is also still meeting in person (bar Merkel), but they moved out of the normal room into a far bigger one so they can keep more distance.
By:
mafeking
When: 27 Mar 20 18:08
certainly the most recent cabinet meeting in the last couple of days was by videolink
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 18:11
Edy, your country's death figures are very low. Are people there saying that's because the Germans do lots of testing?
By:
doridoru
When: 27 Mar 20 18:16
Beth Rigby what a twatt
By:
morpteh mackem
When: 27 Mar 20 18:17
gove couldn't be more odious even if he overdosed on odious tablets.
By:
edy
When: 27 Mar 20 18:23
That's one of multiple reasons. Nobody obviously really knows for sure at this stage. Reasons that people consider are mostly:

1. As you say we test a lot, one of the highest test per capita rates
2. Even though we test more than others overall, last I checked, we don't test post mortem (unlike Italy and I think the UK too). So the terminally ill person whose life was reduced possibly ever so slightly in Bergamo will be tested in Italy even after his death as far as I know, and then counted as a death in relation to covid-19 if the test is positive. The same does not necessarily apply to Germany.
3. The average age of infected in Germany, as of right now, is far far lower than it is in Italy. I'd have to look up the numbers, but I think in Italy it was something like 60 something while in Germany it was maybe 47. In Germany, the virus was really initially spread a lot among and by ski ressort holiday goers. So that's why the not so elderly age group is affected. Germans are also less social than Italy and also tend to not live multi-generational in the same house/flat (i.e less of a chance of spreading from mild/no sympton young person to grandparents/elderly people in general
4. This obviously isn't true for all parts of Germany, but air is generally cleaner than it is in northern Italy, which has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe. Better air quality will likely contribute to less severe respiratory illnesses.
5. Germany has far better capacities regarding ventilators and beds in ICUs.
By:
Injera
When: 27 Mar 20 18:27
Cause of death is the most obvious way to lower (or indeed raise) the mortality rate (as you say edy). Sometimes we’re seeing the phrase ‘covid-related’ death.

I’m still unsure how testing helps. Unless people are tested every 5 days of what use is it?
By:
doridoru
When: 27 Mar 20 18:28
6. Germany are the real leaders of the EU and have the best of everything first
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Mar 20 18:30
Didn't get the best of it in ww11
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Mar 20 18:32
wasn't one in uk counted because a young girl committed suicide because she had it
By:
Angoose
When: 27 Mar 20 18:32
Is it humanly possible to sound more insincere than Gove Confused
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 18:32
Thanks Edy. That's given me plenty to digest. I hadn't heard the idea about the average age being much lower.

Hospital beds certainly do seem to help in something like this. I've heard that the Dutch have a very low number of hospital beds for their population, which is probably a significant contributing factor in their malaise. God help us in a couple of weeks time!
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Mar 20 18:34
spain,france,italy don't more older people like a woodbines in these countries
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 18:36
1st time, I think we're trying to undercount, if anything. We only count those who die in hospital. All of those dying at home and (particularly) in nursing homes are left out of the figures. Supposedly we also omit anyone whose family hasn't given permission for their 'number' to be added to the statistics, which sounds like another clever excuse for cutting the figures.

And then there's our strange lack of testing, which I'm sure is a deliberate tactic designed to result in lower figures being published.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Mar 20 18:36

Mar 27, 2020 -- 6:17PM, morpteh mackem wrote:


gove couldn't be more odious even if he overdosed on odious tablets.


It's probably because he was going on the telly, he was told not to get tanked up on the columbian marching powder.

By:
Deplasterer
When: 27 Mar 20 18:37
Uk govt must be laughing stock of world, PM, Health Minister and chief medical officer down with covid, who's next, Gove. Ant and Dec will be running the country next week.
By:
doridoru
When: 27 Mar 20 18:40
LONDON HAS FALLEN, SEND THEM ALL TO BRUSSELS
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 18:41
Injera, a lot of people with it suffer from high temperatures. Places like South Korea and Taiwan get people to constantly have their temperatures checked. If the figure's high, they're quickly referred to conveniently located drive-in test centres where they can be checked out. Results are out in a few hours.  If somebody has it they can be treated in isolation, and good detective work will uncover the other places they've been and people they've had close contact with recently. Tracking those down allows them to identify CV hotspots and close them off.  Lots of spadework, but it seems to be working.
By:
Just Checking
When: 27 Mar 20 18:44
Sweden has a worse per capita rate than us and amazingly has been in total denial about it until today, pretty much. Given the lag on rate increase after starting to properly react, I think they'll regret that ...
The swedes don't seem very good at seeing blatant future problems of their own making as they create them, do they..
By:
Injera
When: 27 Mar 20 18:44
I see HJ. But if one has a high temperature the natural thing to do is stay home anyway.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 27 Mar 20 18:46
in south korea after they work out where an infected person has travelled they ping warning messages to anyone who subsequently goes through the relevant areas. it may seem a bit big brother to us but if it helps.
By:
edy
When: 27 Mar 20 18:48

Mar 27, 2020 -- 6:44PM, Just Checking wrote:


Sweden has a worse per capita rate than us and amazingly has been in total denial about it until today, pretty much. Given the lag on rate increase after starting to properly react, I think they'll regret that ... The swedes don't seem very good at seeing blatant future problems of their own making as they create them, do they..


Swedes do social distancing professionally at any time of the year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUDm5nvXgAACQbB?format=jpg&name=small

By:
Just Checking
When: 27 Mar 20 18:51
I just wondered what the wierd circle was on the map of infections in Italy, it's San Marino.
Population = 33,400. Tested and infectious = 223!  That's getting on for 1 in a 100, and probably IS > 1 in 100 including unknowns or those yet to show?

Per capita must be worst in the world?
By:
doridoru
When: 27 Mar 20 19:12
Local North Yorks news on tv, week behind London who are spreading it, that 5hithole should be shut down, southern idiots spreading their illegal refugees and now virus!!!
By:
Injera
When: 27 Mar 20 19:23
A 96-year-old woman is now the oldest South Korean to fully recover from the coronavirus.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/27/coronavirus-positive-good-news-round-up-nation-turns-nature/

There was a 94 yearly Brit who recovered earlier in the week.
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 19:34
Injera, if you think the high temperature might be CV, then you get yourself tested. Or at least, you do if it's quite easy to get tested, and if you're a good South Korean who doesn't want to run any risk of unwittingly infecting anyone else! Plus, supposedly many businesses force you to take a temperature test before you can go to work etc. That way you're more or less forced to get yourself checked out. A bit draconian, but I'm sure even us Brits would be prepared to submit to that if it meant all our businesses, restaurants etc. stayed open.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 27 Mar 20 20:02
Worst hit countries seem in Europe and USA even more so than China where it started.

Are caucasians more susceptable or is heat a big decider?

Would be interesting to see if there are any breakdown figures to who has died in the uk and ethnic background compared to national percentages.
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 20:07
Probably more to do with complacency amongst most of the Europeans. Asia also had lots of problems with earlier CV outbreaks (particularly SARS), and were better-prepared to take action.  Mind you, that also meant there was plenty of information which the Europeans could learn from, had they wished..
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 27 Mar 20 20:18

Mar 27, 2020 -- 8:02PM, maleuk01. wrote:


Worst hit countries seem in Europe and USA even more so than China where it started.Are caucasians more susceptable or is heat a big decider?Would be interesting to see if there are any breakdown figures to who has died in the uk and ethnic background compared to national percentages.


Apparently there's a big centre of cases in the West Midlands. Don't know how true but authorities believe it is in the Muslim communities as their culture is finding it harder to self-isolate (sorry, this may be a poor paraphrasing) so that may diminish anything to do with breakdown of ethnicity.

Similar Spain and Italy are both very family-orientated societies possible adding to its ability to spread.

By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Mar 20 20:29
I,d read west midlands was due to seomone returning ftrom abroad without informing /telling anyone and mixing with a large church group of older people
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 27 Mar 20 20:32
Makes sense. Quite a few outbreaks have been due to church meetings.
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