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24 Mar 20
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Another 87 in the UK today :(
If we look at days after 50 deaths.
UK
55
71
104
144
177
233
281
335
422
At this point Spain was the worst
50
81
128
191
289
337
528
633
826
Italy Second Worst
58
86
127
176
212
345
442
610
806
Other Countries: France 448, USA 413, China 408 and Iran 235.
If we go from the 50th fatality time wise we are 13 days behind Italy, 4 days behind Spain, 4 behind France and 1 day behind USA.
I think Spain will end up with the worst numbers (or USA if they do not impose a total Boris style lockdown like right away).
If we look at days after 50 deaths.
UK
55
71
104
144
177
233
281
335
422
At this point Spain was the worst
50
81
128
191
289
337
528
633
826
Italy Second Worst
58
86
127
176
212
345
442
610
806
Other Countries: France 448, USA 413, China 408 and Iran 235.
If we go from the 50th fatality time wise we are 13 days behind Italy, 4 days behind Spain, 4 behind France and 1 day behind USA.
I think Spain will end up with the worst numbers (or USA if they do not impose a total Boris style lockdown like right away).
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The Donald has stated that the USA wasn't built to be shut down and he's talking about weeks rather than months before getting back to normal
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The Governor of New York has stated that trying to push down the curve will be like, in their case, the scene in The Perfect Storm where Clooney gave the boat full bore trying to climb over the Tsunami before it enveloped them.
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why do you frame it as a total boris style lockdown?
we have a partial lock down, wuhan locked down, we certainly have not. we are still sending mixed messages. |
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Those mixed messages suggest that there is continued disagreement at the heart of government on their course of actions.
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A distasteful threasd.
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No point including official figures from Iran. It's a realistic possibility that it's more than every other country put together.
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Pictures from the tube this morning were a disgrace.
People should not be going anyway except for: 1. Food 2. Meds 3. Once a day to exercise 4. To work if they are a key worker (food shop workers, delivery, food processing, NHS, police etc) Spain introduced similar measures one week ago although they still allow everyone to go to work which is stupid. Italy only just shut non-essential factory workers in the north which is also stupid. France has the strongest lockdown in Europe. |
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Thanks CLYDEBANK for pointing out its not all negative news
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The tube is Khan, patently the dummest decision in this whole saga.
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Agree on the Iran figures.
Just seen health sec told people to go to work if they cannot work from home. Totally wrong advise given what Boris said last night. Time to replace Hancock with Hunt who has more experience running the NHS. |
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Agreed Cider. Utterly bonkers from TFL.
I'd say some good news is that Cheltenham and the Liverpool v AM match don't seem to have had a meaningful effect on the numbers. As there are not a lot of serious cases/deaths in Cheltenham, Ireland or Liverpool. So perhaps outside is much much safer than inside. |
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for all we know the mayor might want to close the tube but have been over ruled by the government.
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or he may want usual services
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If only key workers used the tube, it wouldn't be crowded.
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Yes I heard Khan has been overruled. He (now I'm serious here) seemed to think going to bank holiday service would reduce demand.
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testing, isolation and contact tracing are the standard way to deal with a pandemic and that is what south korea, taiwan, singapore and hong kong have done with some success.
the government was following a policy of mitigation and were keen on herd immunity, one of the cso or cmo even said so in parliament. government sources confirmed this approach. then when they changed course they denied this had been their strategy. last week a government source told the press london would be locked down the following day, the press duly reported this and no doubt there was more bulk buying from the public. the next day the pm said that london would not be locked down. the pm was asked if he was going to see his mum on mothers day and he said he hoped to, going against his own government's advice. come the weekend the government said he would skype his mum. today gove went on itv and gave out advice contrary to government policy, he then reappeared on the bbc to correct his mistake. he didnt admit what he originally said was wrong, he said he wanted to clarify his comments. the government are for more responsible than the mayor. |
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The Asian culture is so different to Europe it's just not a meaningful comparison.
Contact tracing is why the UK is so far behind comparable countries in the curve. At some point, contact tracing becomes futile, not to mention impossible. |
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It's this continued insistence that no errors have been made, that every action taken is precisely what the Day 1 plan said they would do that will come back and bite them.
We can all understand and appreciate that this is a fast moving situation, there will be changes required, hindsight is not available in advance. So acknowledge that, say it out loud. But they can't and wont. |
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The number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 in prisons in England and Wales has more than trebled overnight, MPs have been told, as all jails have been placed under a restricted regime that will further limit inmates’ time out of cells.
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It's good news if you are German or Irish. They seem to be two European countries that have made good decisions
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absolute tosh, it is the standard response to an epidemic. they paid more attention because of memory of sars. they didnt lock down as china had to.
t is what many experts say we should have done, and they said so ages ago. the w h o say it too. if we had done it in the first place we wouldnt now be in the sh1t, but there may be hope as oxford modellers may have positive data. https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1242492890129055744 |
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Angoose, I doubt anyone off the record will say it's all gone like clockwork. However there's a large salty section of the population that are desperate to find fault, rather than being supportive. The reality is that there is a balance between saving lives and destroying the country that's left.
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there is a paywall there unfortunately.
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Jolly, western societies do not have (and we do not want them to have) the powers of governments in China, Singapore, Taiwan etc. We have been through this.
We must not let this virus mean we end up being run like those countries. |
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the reality is you are talking sh1t cider (and so is gtrader, nop change there).
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238186-uks-scientific-advice-on-coronavirus-is-a-cause-for-concern/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584970878 https://bylinetimes.com/2020/03/23/covid-19-special-investigation-part-two-government-documents-reveal-concern-for-economic-and-business-impacts-prevented-early-action/ |
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If you think Asian cultures are comparable to western Europe, I move that I'm not the one talking sh1t.
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Jolly more and more governments are using phone data.
https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-tracking-citizens-phones-coronavirus-2020-3?r=US&IR=T#the-uk-isnt-tracking-yet-but-is-considering-it-11 The worst (or best) are the Asian countries you praise. |
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standard practice for dealing with pandemics is testing, isolation and contact tracing. it continues to be what the experts are saying should be done. maybe you should approach the w h o and tell them they have it wrong.
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Why is a country that has London, and is a major hub for international travel, miles behind Italy, France and Spain.
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'Standard practice' in countries that have different privacy rights.
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if you dont know who has it you are flying blind. if the oxford modellers are correct it may be much more widespread than was thought and we may not face a second wave. if you dont test you dont find.
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miles behind those countries in what way?
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People passing away who are covid 19 positive.
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jolly I am not saying do not test. I am saying do not use mobile phone tracking to trace and compel people to comply on that basis. It sets a very dangerous precedent for the future.
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I can't believe that Oxford model jolly. The headline is clearly BS
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we are a couple of weeks behind, hopefully the more serious approach being taken will mean that in a couple of weeks time we dont move too far along the curve. if the oxford modellers are correct, half the country may already have it but not seriously. if we had done more testing in the first place and known this then the more stringent measures would have been unnecessary.
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You didn't say why you think we're behind.
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You only have to look at the figures for The Diamond Princess to realise it's BS
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