Norwegian anti-Islam rally turns violent over KORAN BURNING

The poor old Chaps of the book , This must stop

Ironically if he'd torched a few copies of Rushdie's Satanic Verses they would have been happy to add fuel to the fire . Why is 'blasphemy' a one-way street ?

and so it begins....

Total control over hearts and minds.
All scripture is based on a tried and tested formula thousands of years old. you can have vanilla, chocolate chip or pistachio flavoured, take your pick. Or did your parents pick one for you?

. Or did your parents pick one for you? Foinavon

Which is why we must ensure our state education system teaches ALL children the choices we have in this country

I see no need to be silly about this teaching LGBT stuff to 4 year olds.....

But at the appropriate age ALL children must know of this to enable them to make their own choice

If they choose Islam that is also their right...as long as it is their own choice

foinavon just because your parents happened to pick the religion you were brought up in doesn't mean necessarily that is a bad thing
You see not all religions are equal. After all, im pretty sure there is a good chance that you are Christian brought up in a Christian family
There you go, be thankful.

ubel as confused as ever

I am confused after every one of your posts lfc1971

You are not obliged to agree with me

fair enough ebul, but please look at it this way

you are Christian, there are certain aspects of Christianity that tend towards freedom of the individual, its teachings can be traced back to the example of Christ , and further back to ancient Greece

That's different from other religions I am afraid, the muslim religion? It traces itself back to the example of muhummad

that's not good, sorry.

An example? well if I was to post those words in certain muslim countries , there is every chance that I could be in very severe trouble

and worse than that, so don't talk tripe about allowing children being allowed to make up their own minds

All religions are not equal in outcome, that's true, it's what society does with the control that matters. Living in a Christian society a few hundred years ago, even 200 years ago would not seem all that different to living in an Islamic country today from the point of view of personal freedoms, blasphemy, attitudes to women, draconian punishment for even relatively minor offences, sexual deviancy from the approved norm and just about everything else. We should be glad we live in a more enlightened society today even if some sectors appear to be taking things a bit too far for our own tastes.

Just a minute foinavon, do you not know that the protestant reformation took place in the 16 century
200 years ago . The age of enlightenment dominated Christian European thinking and freedoms in the 17th to 19th century

The central doctrines were individual liberty and religious tolerance

That's what he said...................

Look I can assure you you could go back 200 yeaers to England or France or Holland or most European Christian countries and live as freely as you do here and now

I realise that lfc and it started a process but look at the lives of ordinary people at the turn of the 19th century and you will see what I mean. The things I mentioned are true. You could be hanged for theft, pilloried or put in the stocks. You could be jailed for homosexuality right up until the mid 20th century. Women's rights didn't improve any either until the Suffragettes arrived.
The problem for us with Islam in the West as I see it is that the controlling elites reside outside of Europe and any attempt at reform is proscribed by them and their obedient cohorts here.

1873 Paris France, happens to be my favourite time, and place

sorry I think its 1874

foinavon I think you will find that in 1874 in Paris France, no one gave too hoots about any of that, everyone was free
You have only to study the paintings of Utrillo to realise that

lfc1971 - 16 Feb 20 17:47 - "Look I can assure you you could go back 200 yeaers to England or France or Holland or most European Christian countries and live as freely as you do here and now"

This is a ridiculous post, unless you have the narrowest view of freedom.

That's not 200 years ago. Fine perhaps if you belonged to the wealthy elites or ruling classes, try reading Zola or Dickens to see how the other half lived over there and over here.

Pistachio kulfi

Especially after a chicken vindaloo

ok blackburn, what can you do now that wasn't possible in England or France or Holland or Germany 200 years ago?

yes I know there wasn't same sex marriages, im sure that's progress

Turkey Balti, white Magnum, it was nice too, but Kulfi is yummy.......

could you drink alcohol , could you smoke cigarettes, could you take drugs, could you visit prostitutes, could you have homosexual or lesbian relationships, could you gamble, could you say fk the prime minister and the Queen and the pope?

You could try reading some Russian authors too. That was/is a Christian country apart from a few decades of the last century. First they had serfdom, then the had Lenin and Stalin. A most unlucky people.

Do you know I think you could

Now, in some countries you cannot do that..even today

Be thankful you live in a Christian country

Franco Zola?

Didn’t he write Nana and Therese Raquin when he played for Chelsea?

I like a white Magnum but turkey balti is far too chav

but it's the protein my muscle bound structure requires.

That lovely things exist, such as Paris France 1874, or Liverpool or London England 1962

Is a lovely thought.

That lovely things exist, such as Paris France 1874, or Liverpool or London England 1962

Is a lovely thought.

ok blackburn, what can you do now that wasn't possible in England or France or Holland or Germany 200 years ago?

Vote if you were a woman.  Or if you were a bloke, vote at all unless you met certain conditions.

Franco Zola?

Didn’t he write Nana and Therese Raquin when he played for Chelsea?

A lovely thought

Yes I had thought of votes for women blackburn, thats progress if you wish to vote you should be allowed to

although I think that women voting contributed to the downfall of the British Empire, just my opinion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom


Sir Samuel Romilly, speaking to the House of Commons on capital punishment in 1810, declared that "[there is] no country on the face of the earth in which there [have] been so many different offences according to law to be punished with death as in England".[2] Known as the "Bloody Code", at its height the criminal law included some 220 crimes punishable by death, including "being in the company of Gypsies for one month", "strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7–14 years of age" and "blacking the face or using a disguise whilst committing a crime". Many of these offences had been introduced by the Whig Oligarchy to protect the property of the wealthy classes that emerged during the first half of the 18th century, a notable example being the Black Act of 1723, which created 50 capital offences for various acts of theft and poaching.[3] Crimes eligible for the death penalty included shoplifting and stealing sheep, cattle, and horses, and before abolition of the death penalty for theft in 1832, "English law was notorious for prescribing the death penalty for a vast range of offences as slight as the theft of goods valued at twelve pence.

I assume that the death penalty for blacking up would be approved by some groups today .

But I agree with women taking the initiative certainly, I like that

foinavon I think you will find that in 1874 in Paris France, no one gave too hoots about any of that, everyone was free
You have only to study the paintings of Utrillo to realise that lfc1971

You know how to get round me do you not lfc1971?, the foundation of Socialism, I am a socialist

Utrillo, you are impressing me now, nice pictures of Paris

I can see I am going to have to watch you a bit closer from now on lfc1971

But I agree with women taking the initiative certainly, I like that lfc1971

You have lost me a bit there lfc1971, I pride myself on being the forum misogynist, woeful I know

fook em and their Books no one is interested amymore . Only our Luvvie friends

thanks ebul , you know I always find your posts interesting, sometimes they might seem to be senseless, and many times they are  not and make us think,
and then again when they might seem senseless, still they make me smile

Teatime

LFC - "Yes I had thought of votes for women blackburn, thats progress if you wish to vote you should be allowed to.......

You obviously hadn't thought of it when you posed the question.  Are you as dim as you appear?

I spent some time in Norway last year, and it is the most friendly, welcoming, and tolerant country I have ever visited.
Most of its oil revenues have been ploughed back into social care, and it cares for its people more than any other European country.
But for how long?
For a group to have gone to these extremes, you have to think that the government have crossed a line In pushing its  “all welcome” policy too far,

blackbarn replying with his usual abuse.

Crippen - As many know on here, abuse is not my usual weapon. My "dim" comment was based on his ridiculous response to the simple answer I gave to the simple question he posed. This is below and not difficult to understand!.  I have to say that his inability to distinguish between an ebony coloured farm building and a Lancashire football club does little to dilute my view. Hope you are well.

thanks ebul , you know I always find your posts interesting, sometimes they might seem to be senseless, lfc1971

senseless oh dear

I do like the book either case

but I can only condemn the Muslims when they do wrong..

I personally wish they would not tbh

This surely couldn't be the same lfc that has stated he has no time for history could it?

it is silly to burn the book - we need to keep them so we can read and laugh

Didn’t Eric Cantona write Rambo?

would imagine Most of Our Luvvie friends have a copy on their Bookshelf to help them understand The actions of some of the Chaps ...

I will reserve judgement on this until I see what the BBC have to report on the matter.

Why should the bbc report on it? Russia borders Norway, so reasonable at a stretch for RT to be reporting.

"Divide and Rule" who came up with that one dave-it sure works.

"Divide and Rule" is what's happening in the Arab world eg Iraq and Syria to name two. The only way to weaken "unfriendly" country.

I think 5he House of Saud was worried by the rise of the Clerics in ‘79 impossible

They got a shock that year with an armed assault at Mecca and feared the Clerics would turn against them.

It is interesting though that Iran and Venezuela both have oil

"Living in a Christian society a few hundred years ago, even 200 years ago would not seem all that different to living in an Islamic country today from the point of view of personal freedoms, blasphemy, attitudes to women, draconian punishment for even relatively minor offences, sexual deviancy from the approved norm and just about everything else."

The key point is blasphemy.  Had Charles Darwin's ground breaking 1859 book, The Origin Of The Species, been published in Saudi, Iran, Pakistan and several other modern islamic countries today, he'd likely face the death penalty imo.

Darwin faced a lot of problems dude

Had he printed it 50 years earlier he may well have been put to death! Look at Dave’s earlier post about Capital Offences

Crimes eligible for the death penalty included shoplifting and stealing sheep, cattle, and horses, and before abolition of the death penalty for theft in 1832, "English law was notorious for prescribing the death penalty for a vast range of offences as slight as the theft of goods valued at twelve pence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8015345/Greek-locals-accuse-migrants-trying-Islamize-western-world.html

TRASH SEND THEM ALL BACK

Greek locals accuse migrants of trying to 'Islamize the western world' and say they are destroying their tourist industry as anger builds over refugee camps

    The government is locked in a tug of war with local communities over migrants
    There's over 38,000 people in camps on Lesbos, Samos, Chios, Leros and Kos
    300 protesters marched against plans to house asylum-seekers in Makrygialos

I can understand the Greek's concern over us....tourism is important to Greece

The Greek government should move them

us = this

As I have posted before too many times probably...if the West had stayed out of the Middle East from 1990's on this may not be happening

We destabilised those countries, they don't like us much.....now they live among us...very poor show