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Home Secretary Priti Patel has defended plans to deport 50 people to Jamaica on Tuesday, after more than 170 MPs called for the flight to be halted. She said those on the flight had been convicted of "serious offences" carrying sentences of more than a year.

She was bound by legislation to deport them, she said.

But shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said the move was unfair as some had come to the UK as children and "have no memory" of the country of their birth. It comes after a leaked draft of the Windrush scandal report said the government should consider ending the deportation of foreign-born offenders who came to the UK as children.

Ahead of the flight on Tuesday, protests against the deportations took place on Monday evening outside Downing Street. Meanwhile, a legal challenge that was launched against the flight by a firm representing its potential passengers has been refused by the High Court.

Duncan Lewis Solicitors had argued that the flight's passengers include people who are "potential victims of trafficking, groomed as children by drugs gangs running county lines networks and later pursued in the criminal justice system as serious offenders".

The flight from the UK to Kingston is due to leave on 11 February and is expected to include a man who arrived in the UK aged five.

In the Commons, Labour's shadow home secretary Ms Abbott said there was "widespread concern", saying the deportation flight "constitutes double jeopardy because the persons have already served an appropriate sentence for their crime". She added: "Many of the proposed deportees came here as children and have no memory of Jamaica."

Ms Patel said every person on the flight had been convicted of a "serious offence and received a custodial sentence of 12 months or more". Therefore under legislation introduced by a Labour government in 2007, she said, "a deportation order must be made".

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By:
tobermory
When: 10 Feb 20 20:16
David Lammy said: “The question today is: why have they resumed those flights? In light of the scandal of people who arrived in this country as children, how can he guarantee to the House that there are not people who are British nationals?

“We are almost now two years on and people watching see the way this government holds in such disrespect the contribution of West Indian, Caribbean and black people in this country. When will black lives matter once again?”
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Feb 20 20:17
flight grounded ,doris lose,s in court again
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 20:33
They are criminals so why is anybody bothered?
By:
tobermory
When: 10 Feb 20 20:34
The government has received a blow to its plans to deport about 50 people to Jamaica after one of two legal actions to try to halt the scheduled flight succeeded.

The court of appeal made the ruling in an emergency out-of-hours hearing on Monday night, ordering the Home Office not to remove anyone scheduled to be deported from two detention centres near Heathrow on the 6.30am flight to Jamaica on Tuesday – “unless satisfied (they) had access to a functioning, non-O2 Sim card on or before 3 February”.

There has been a problem with the O2 phone network in the Heathrow detention centres since last month so many detainees have not been able to exercise their legal right to contact their lawyers.
By:
tobermory
When: 10 Feb 20 20:39
So if they flush their functioning non O2 sim down the toilet the government will have to prove they had it at some point Confused
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 20:43
This is playing out like a Monty Python sketch.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Feb 20 20:44
windrush scandal report
Russia report
hs2 report
immigration paper

come on lads lets be avin yeh
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Feb 20 20:45
almost forgot
acuri report
By:
tobermory
When: 10 Feb 20 20:51

Feb 10, 2020 -- 8:33PM, akabula wrote:


They are criminals so why is anybody bothered?


I think is that some of them came here aged 5 or so, then had one conviction for a non violent offence.

By:
starkeycars
When: 10 Feb 20 20:51
The loony left want all these convicted criminals to stay I’m sure the victims of there crimes would want them deported but the looney left don’t care about them
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 20:52
HS2 report? They going to use the trains to deport people?
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 20:54
been convicted of "serious offences" carrying sentences of more than a year.

Good enough reason for me.
By:
tobermory
When: 10 Feb 20 20:54
On the other hand there are characters like this that have been reprieved by the court ruling....


Akeem Finlay, of The Waldrons, Croydon, has been jailed for six years for the attack at West Norwood station on a 20-year-old man. Finlay, and two other men, followed their victim to the station at about 6.45pm on September 6, 2011.

The trio barged through ticket barriers as they stalked the man, attacking him as he sat on the platform waiting for a train. They thrust a bottle into their victim’s face, leaving the man, who was 20 at the time, with wounds that have scarred him for life.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Feb 20 21:05
if the government home office hadn't/don't fooook up everything they touch the plane could take off safe in the knowledge there,s no one on board who has a right to stay
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 10 Feb 20 21:22
I think there should be no problem for those who came here as adults

Those who came here as children a little more difficult.....perhaps we have to set an age, I don't know what it would be?
By:
Cider
When: 10 Feb 20 21:26
Libtards all over the media saying it was only minor crimes like supplying class A and GBH. You know, tantamount to a receiving parking ticket. Couldn't make it up.
By:
Cider
When: 10 Feb 20 21:27
Libtards all over the media saying it was only minor crimes like supplying class A and GBH. You know, tantamount to a receiving parking ticket. Couldn't make it up.
By:
Cider
When: 10 Feb 20 21:40

Feb 10, 2020 -- 9:22PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


I think there should be no problem for those who came here as adultsThose who came here as children a little more difficult.....perhaps we have to set an age, I don't know what it would be?


They are attempting to link it to the Windrush deportation review. Which was leaked and recommends 13 as the cut off I believe. There is of course only an extremely tenuous link to Windrush, as none of these people moved to the UK under Windrush and they have all been convicted of serious crime. Many people have been deported to many countries under this legislation, people like Lammy are only interested in these cases as they are black.

By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 20 21:43
Hark at ABBOTT , whens the Son Appearing ??  Was he born in the UK ?? Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 21:46
That would be some story Case. Laugh
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 20 21:47
Multiple Charges exposing himself in a hospital and Multiple assaults ,And she is worried about this Mob Laugh
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 20 21:49
She would have fooking Odd shoes on if he Going on to a plane Cuffed Laugh

Private Schooling and the Golden Civil Service path and Look where it has ended up , You cannot make it up TBH
By:
akabula
When: 10 Feb 20 21:53
Is she blaming Tory Austerity. Laugh
By:
Cider
When: 10 Feb 20 21:55
In this case one of the new labour MPs was blaming the judiciary, claiming black people are issued longer sentences.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 20 09:40
David Lammy all over this as usual playing the racist card, defending gunmen, rapists and thieves simply because of their origins.

He's a Godsend for the Tories, I wouldn't be surprised if they funded his election campaign.

That's not ignoring Miss Diane's contribution here, she always plays a blinder in these matters as well.
She costs the Labour votes and credibility every time she opens her trap.
By:
jucel69
When: 11 Feb 20 09:50
The yardies from Jamaica are some of the most despicable animals on the planet.
They shouldn't be deported, they should be executed
By:
jucel69
When: 11 Feb 20 09:52
*the UK
By:
jucel69
When: 11 Feb 20 09:54
Boris should have a hit squad for extra judicial killings
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 11 Feb 20 10:07
What's hilarious is that the legislation used to deport these people was brought in by New Labour.

This incident follows the bloke who was prevented from being deported by passengers on the plane he was on. Then later it emerged that the criminal they were trying to deport was a gang rapist.

When hand-wringers and bleeding hearts get involved, always get ready for a balls up.
By:
jucel69
When: 11 Feb 20 10:42
2007 UK Borders Act

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/30/crossheading/deportation-of-criminals/enacted
By:
casemoney
When: 11 Feb 20 11:30
What about our book reading Friends ,shirley the same must apply to some of the sex cases ??
By:
lybertyne
When: 11 Feb 20 13:15
The lesson to be learned: Don't be naughty.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 11 Feb 20 13:56
I agree with you there for once caseShocked
By:
RLKingPunter
When: 11 Feb 20 16:25
Great News 17 have been deported the Plane has set off , 17 less vermin off our shores
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Feb 20 17:01
I understand some had sentences of just over 12 months (one of the conditions, I believe), but the deciding factor was none of the naughties that were deported were British ie did not hold a British passport. It could have been an oversight on their part not becoming British or they were too poor to become one.

Is it a great loss for the majority eg drug dealers, etc? Absolutely not, regardless of whether Jamaica had not been their home for many, many years. The UK do not want people of that ilk either. Shame this does not apply to British Passport holders born overseas.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 11 Feb 20 17:32
Why shouldn't David Lammy play the race card Rolf Harris hasn't been deported.
By:
1st time poster
When: 11 Feb 20 17:42
getting tierd of hearing it will be popular with the public so will floggings,death pen,blowing up commons,lords,sacking all mp,s,shutting up Philip schofield, its not the governments job to be popular but to abide by the law and the courts,jamicans today,as we,re leaving the EU,how many eu nationals whove served 12 months in nick and for one reason or another havnt got british stratus will be deported in a few years time,and who do they come for next
home office now reviewing at least 8 cases,8 people who without the courts intervening would be in Jamaica  now,if they havnt got a case they,d be going back on next flight
By:
Cider
When: 11 Feb 20 17:58
The law is being followed. Who's to say whether supplying class A drugs is a better or worse crime than GBH. That's why the threshold of a year's bird is what counts. I'd argue that the case of the con who left his home country when he was five is unlucky, but my understanding is that he done two separate stretches. What we reap, we sow. He was on just now saying his childhood was being taken away. Erm, no, that was you wanting to be a gangster, fam.
By:
jucel69
When: 11 Feb 20 18:35

Feb 11, 2020 -- 5:42PM, 1st time poster wrote:


getting tierd of hearing it will be popular with the public so will floggings,death pen,blowing up commons,lords,sacking all mp,s,shutting up Philip schofield, its not the governments job to be popular but to abide by the law and the courts,jamicans today,as we,re leaving the EU,how many eu nationals whove served 12 months in nick and for one reason or another havnt got british stratus will be deported in a few years time,and who do they come for nexthome office now reviewing at least 8 cases,8 people who without the courts intervening would be in Jamaica  now,if they havnt got a case they,d be going back on next flight


This is what happens to you in Thailand if you overstay your visa by just one day and get caught!

https://thethaiger.com/world/regional-news-source-publishes-smuggled-photos-from-bangkoks-immigration-detention-centre-1

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