who puts thoughts into your brain.?

Aug 25, 2019 -- 7:20PM, tobermory wrote:

There is a theory that schizophrenia was the normal condition of humans up until about 1000BC. People had no consciousness. Voices in their heads told them to build pyramids or whatever so they did those things.It was theorized because the earliest stories, from 2000BC or so, contain no introspection, and it is assumed the authors were just writing down what the voices were telling them.

I can't believe that schizophrenia was normal. I haven't read your last post though.

Bicameral mentality would be non-conscious in its inability to reason and articulate about mental contents through meta-reflection, reacting without explicitly realizing and without the meta-reflective ability to give an account of why one did so. The bicameral mind would thus lack metaconsciousness, autobiographical memory, and the capacity for executive "ego functions" such as deliberate mind-wandering and conscious introspection of mental content

Never experienced or perceived this. I have no idea what this is about.

Our ability to reason sets us apart Along with memory and thought, although animals are probably happier because they don't have death realization and are apart of the ever present moment where as humans are always striving for something that never arrives apart from death.

I don't believe this theory myself tbh, though it gets a lot of support from some very clever people (who at least hedge their bets on it)

Biggest flaw is that all societies have consciousness, even ones that were separate from Europe and Asia for millennia after 1,000BC, eg Australian aborigines. So how does it spread around the world at that time.

Sapiens was a good read although how true I don't know

Animals do have death realization and often pine to death for their family.

Aug 25, 2019 -- 7:31PM, Charlie wrote:

Animals do have death realization and often pine to death for their family.

Disagree, they have no idea of what death is, emotions yes, no animal knows what death is only humans

Let's not get silly again charl

Be back later got to go out for some lasagne !

If we don't perceive or experience anything then how can you say we are different to animals?

Will answer later charl

Give my regards to your mum and dad.

Triggered ^^

I'd give up charl you've been beat down on this Fred

Certainly have. Can't even be pleasant these days.

That body of yours an ego can't start having a debate about something that body knows nothing about, it's ludicrous, whos kidding who ?

Listen if you have a question ask away but keep it pleasant and I'll do my best to answer

I'll wait for your return after lasagna hunting and then you can tell me why animals are different to humans when nothing experiences anything.

We are all here to learn

Psg soon

And barka

Aug 25, 2019 -- 7:42PM, mega88 wrote:

Listen if you have a question ask away but keep it pleasant and I'll do my best to answer

If you scroll up you will find it's you that started the insults.

Quote me what started the insults and I will apologise after I've reviewed it.

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Aug 25, 2019 -- 5:36PM, Foinavon wrote:

A few blobs of transient jelly on a damp rock lost in the vastness of space consider themselves to be part of a "Universal Consciousness". You couldn't make it up (although they did).

There is no rock and there is no space, see I'm really fighting against it with these blobs of jelly! Put forward a half decent proposal and we can have a debate. Unfortunately you have no idea of what you are on about and are ultimately going to make those bodies look very silly indeed.

The blob writes a response. The sequencing demonstrates the presence of spacetime.
The blob is in denial. The blob looks very silly indeed.

This is what i learned so far on this thread (well,i think i have learned)
1=There is no such thing as reality,and all i see and hear is imagined.
2-my body is only a group of molecules stuck together  and is only a vehicle for carrying my ball of consciousness round this planet.
3=if i close my eyes i am in contact with the real me(but its not me its the consciousness making me imagine it is me)
4=my consciousness takes instructions from a super consciousness in the form of thoughts delivered.
5=but my consciousness is really tricking me into thinking this is happening and its all a dream.
6=it is a nothingness and everything is energy ,and my consciousness is a tiny bit of that energy,
7=and the thoughts that enter my consciousness are random even with my eyes closed.but influenced by my imagined reality when my eyes are open.
8=its all a dream.

You are a random quirk of increasing universal entropy Brassy, but don't let it worry you.

A biological machine fighting entropy but ultimately it's an illusion,

This is all very senseless

A biological machine fighting entropy and eventually losing.

Aug 25, 2019 -- 8:05PM, lfc1971 wrote:

This is all very senseless

For who?

Not all ?
No just anything posted by that fool  mega

200 yeaes ago/whenever
a philosopher stood talking talking talking to Samuel Johnson to prove the no existance of matter

Johnson kicked a stone and said I refute it thus

And the sport of curling was born.

it was a large boulder and he kicked it with such force hr rebounded from it

very clever man dr johnston

and had a sore foot

Dr Johnson is excellent bedtime reading. You will quickly fall asleep.

Wowza! This has all gone a bit 6th form Celestine Prophecy Boom Shanka Tastic!

of course when you fall asleep, the bed is still there

You have to be careful not to lose your page even though the book is still there too.

:) true foinavon ,but  the pages and the words remain the same , unaltered
Nothing unusual ever happens

The novel you were reading is always the same one

Someones quickly read a philosophy exert I see and now an expert of course

All other fantasies are only that

As far as we know , but that is all we do know
nothing else , only facts
And the fact remains nothing unusual has ever happened , anywhere

A staunch materialist, I shall done the armour

You see there are facts , and there are wild imaginings by people like mega
Don’t confuse one with the other
That’s where he goes wrong

I love and honour facts

You couldn't possibly know any facts, you never known one truth I your life EVER

Facts don't exist, you going to look like a tit but carry on,

In fact I'd be happy to have a debate with you if you can pose any kind of argument that is coherent

Aug 25, 2019 -- 8:48PM, lfc1971 wrote:

I love and honour facts

Go on give me a fact ..... Your best one, take as long as you want

Aug 25, 2019 -- 7:55PM, brassneck wrote:

This is what i learned so far on this thread (well,i think i have learned)1=There is no such thing as reality,and all i see and hear is imagined.2-my body is only a group of molecules stuck together  and is only a vehicle for carrying my ball of consciousness round this planet.3=if i close my eyes i am in contact with the real me(but its not me its the consciousness making me imagine it is me)4=my consciousness takes instructions from a super consciousness in the form of thoughts delivered.5=but my consciousness is really tricking me into thinking this is happening and its all a dream.6=it is a nothingness and everything is energy ,and my consciousness is a tiny bit of that energy,7=and the thoughts that enter my consciousness are random even with my eyes closed.but influenced by my imagined reality when my eyes are open.8=its all a dream.

Bloody hell brass, you're on the right path !!

there is a lot of what mega 88 posted is correct,i also learned that people create their own reality and believe it to be true.
i also think that you can trick your consciousness ,and if you convince it that something will happen(that you want to happen)it WILL happen(because its your own reality that you created)but it will not happen the way you expect it to happen,but rest assured it will happen.in simple terms a person can get anything he desires no matter how impossible it seems because he controls his own reality.

this is an easier way to explain my last post.If you have a dream ,remember its your dream,and your consciousness will do everything it can for you to furfill your request. after all its your dream,not the guy down the street's dream.

Life is but a dream

Firstly, i am very tired from lots of cricket.

Second, this thread has taken off, and in many ways as i had thought it might,a good thing.

Thirdly, i was the first person to respond to the OP and i am happy to see that Brass has clearly been busy and learned quite a bit...

Fourthly,no need to be rude to Charlie,he has a good mind, he just likes to be combative/forthright as i believe he is a truth seeker.

5th  Mega its interesting what you say and clearly you have great knowledge so please realise the hypocrisy of you baiting people with regard EGO when if you read back in a open fashion will see your own EGO has been on display also.

Aug 25, 2019 -- 11:27PM, peckerdunne wrote:

Firstly, i am very tired from lots of cricket.Second, this thread has taken off, and in many ways as i had thought it might,a good thing.Thirdly, i was the first person to respond to the OP and i am happy to see that Brass has clearly been busy and learned quite a bit...Fourthly,no need to be rude to Charlie,he has a good mind, he just likes to be combative/forthright as i believe he is a truth seeker.5th  Mega its interesting what you say and clearly you have great knowledge so please realise the hypocrisy of you baiting people with regard EGO when if you read back in a open fashion will see your own EGO has been on display also.

I do agree, I am not enlightened, my ego still remains and at times is a rather pesky little thing. Nothing against anyone on here, I know Charlie from the footy forum, it's just a bit of banter, got carried away, it's all good

Now i have mentioned awareness earlier and consciousness also so (I) am delighted to see i had stored up some knowledge on this topic and also how little i have, thanks to some recent posts in the sense that we are all just pishing in the wind to one degree or another, are indeed here to learn, and are very much influencing each other.

Man kind/the mind/perception/influence/EGO it is all in us.We are it, it is us, so we are the same, so higher power is the order of the day, it is everywhere, it is our consciousness, hence we have the world as it is and not as it was.

Jaynes theory,to me makes a fair bit of sense when you think of it...

A brain is just a brain, a person a person, without other people, without the labels of words/language, without influence, well we are nothing, there is nothing, nothing to compare, nothing to moan about, nothing to feel, ok what is pain,leaving that aside,no one to impress, no one get feedback.

It seems likely that the 'MIND' will roam and wander and enquire by some natural force within, fight/flight etc, what are emotions anyway, yes that's right, he's on your shoulder again, so voices in my head, randomness of all kinds seem inevitable and probable and from that comes experience, that has bit bit led to all the other shitt..

I have no degree or qualification re these things so feel free..

Thank you Mega.

We have all heard that little voice in our head...

We can't see intuition but we believe it's there.

'if only id gone with my gut'

'I just had a feeling'

'Something just told me'

So is that voice really there, where is it coming from, is it me, but i cant control, holy cow there is someone else, something else.

Now you are scared of your own shadow and with no one else to seek approval etc.......

WOW SPOOKY

There's two of us in here, but who's the boss.

I don't know, but you can fcuk off, i;m going nowhere....

It's easy too see how one can go nuts.

The voice isn't the problem, it's who hears the voice, say hello.... Who hears that voice? Awareness does, that's all there is. The voice is thoughts.

When someone is speaking to themselves out loud we call them crazy! Yet Everyone does it all the time, only they do it in their heads. Yappety yappety yap all day long silly thoughts in your head oooh if only I'd laid spurs

more tripe

Layed

Aug 26, 2019 -- 12:42AM, lfc1971 wrote:

more tripe

The only tripe is whats coming from that body of yours, still waiting for these facts that your life is based on ?? C'mon dont be shy

Aug 26, 2019 -- 12:42AM, lfc1971 wrote:

more tripe

Btw that exert you quickly read from Google regarding George Berkeley and Dr Johnson, care to give us your views and thoughts on Berkeley's Idealism?

a dog , a fly , a butterfly, a sparrow, a flower , a worm , a house , a man , a tree, a cloud, a hill , a leaf , a piece of paper ....
these are all facts

Aug 26, 2019 -- 12:57AM, lfc1971 wrote:

a dog , a fly , a butterfly, a sparrow, a flower , a worm , a house , a man , a tree, a cloud, a hill , a leaf , a piece of paper ....these are all facts

wow,  no those are not facts, those are called words, language if you like, something made up to describe a perception being experienced, now go away and bring me a FACT, I'll give you a clue, there is only one fact knowable in this life of yours.

A butterfly isn't a fact, it's a word, you haven't the first idea of what that flappy thing is flying around you garden, you may as well call it a flappy sappy wappy dapp dooo daahh

no I disagree , if you can prove that a leaf is not a fact that’s fine
go ahead ....

Ok I make my point I'm no longer dealing with these clowns

A leaf is a word you have no idea what it is. It's language used to describe the outside world and what your perceptions observe. Please

ok

You are not a human, you have no idea what you are, how could you !

no proof , I’m not interested in theories I like facts
go ahead ...

There is nothing you know in existence apart from one fact

I disagree , unless you have proof   , sorry
go ahead ...

Aug 26, 2019 -- 1:07AM, lfc1971 wrote:

I disagree , unless you have proof   , sorry go ahead ...

That body of yours can disagree all it wants, I've given you proof you have given me nothing but words, no give me a FACT?? you can't and never will, there is only one true fact you can ever know

What are you disagreeing with ?

A leaf ?

nope no evidence there. just gibberish

Tell me what you disagree with ?

Look mate for anyone with half a brain you are going to look silly, it's all word play, it's language, all made up long ago, language is not facts. Facts don't exist. Apart from one

Aug 26, 2019 -- 1:10AM, lfc1971 wrote:

nope no evidence there. just gibberish

You drinking ? Give me a bottle of what ur having

I have given a list of facts , there is a piece of paper that is a fact , there is a tree , that is a fact etc
Now those are facts to me
If you can point out some facts you believe in that’s good
Not theories, sorry I’m not interested ... go ahead

It’s not words , I don’t care what you call a tree, it’s a teee in any different language
That’s a fact , understand ?

Now let’s hear some of your facts ....

We are working at different levels mate, at your level I understand your facts but in reality what you are describing as facts are merely words. Paper is a word used to describe some tree mushed up bleached and shipped to Tesco's. You haven't a clue what a tree is let alone a piece of paper, you think you do but you don't. When you really drill down into your self you will realise you know nothing, only language and experience. The only thing you can subjectively know is "I am" that is it, everything objectively is unknown. You've never experienced it. I know this will go over your head so I wish you well. It's been good chatting today catch Yas on the flip side

no facts there sorry

what a waste! Wish you all the best lfc1971, don't burn the toast !!

Yes people sometimes burn toast , well done that’s a fact
we’re making progress

Sitting by the canal, and enjoying my lunch, in the glorious weather of yesterday, I was watching two tiny little white butterflies,
fluttering by, and at great speed playing "chase me" and then whizzing off, and back through the reeds, and off again.

I was pondering as to how they decide what to do, as they can't have much of a brain, so what is the thought process
that suggests to them what to do next?

ok this is the latest news=THEY say the average person (who ever THEY may be)has about 50,000 thoughts per day(I guess its THEY that count them)and 70% of the thoughts are negative,now its my guess that a person could improve on their 30% positive thoughts by not entertaining the 70% negative ones.
there would be more room for the positive thoughts if the negative thoughts were eliminated .
so when a negative thought comes into your brain all you have to say is"feck off negative thought ,i am not interested "

Through subliminal messaging the Illuminati put the evil thoughts into your brain. They live - we sleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inZUDMGJsKo

ok this is the latest news=THEY say the average person (who ever THEY may be)has about 50,000 thoughts per day(I guess its THEY that count them)and 70% of the thoughts are negative,now its my guess that a person could improve on their 30% positive thoughts by not entertaining the 70% negative ones.
there would be more room for the positive thoughts if the negative thoughts were eliminated .Happy
so when a negative thought comes into your brain all you have to say is"feck off negative thought ,i am not interested "Grin
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True Brass, and it works and is practiced, its not easy to master but anyone can.

The law of attraction is based on this.You keep digging.......

Aug 23, 2019 -- 10:38PM, peckerdunne wrote:

This a very interesting topic....Thoughts are not a conscious thing.We can choose to accept them or dismiss them.Choosing them is a conscious decision that leads to ideas and then actions. We are off course in the realm of religion and awareness now etc making us different from animals..We can not decide what thoughts we have though.Is the world around us constantly forming influences in our brain, yes, but I and me are not the same thing.How did we acquire a conscience, that is I, but it's the same thing as me.No idea about funny bones..Can't see the link.......

Imagine when the govt starts to read them!!

This a very interesting topic....Thoughts are not a conscious thing.We can choose to accept them or dismiss them.Choosing them is a conscious decision that leads to ideas and then actions. We are off course in the realm of religion and awareness now etc making us different from animals..We can not decide what thoughts we have though.Is the world around us constantly forming influences in our brain, yes, but I and me are not the same thing.How did we acquire a conscience, that is I, but it's NOT

the same thing as me.No idea about funny bones..Can't see the link.......


Actually left the word NOT out above.


                                                                                                    Imagine when the govt starts to read them!!

It's a fair point,but it is happening in other ways already.

I have said for years i'm amazed the are not putting a chip in at birth.

Perhaps one day, if we haven't already blown up the planet.