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it was the British government that proposed the backstop.
it was the British government that proposed the backstop.
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pecker you’re not making much sense , as well as being dishonest
That’s not good Why are the Irish and the eu insisting it remains ? |
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Trying to divert from what you said wont make you right either.
You insult people and nations quite frequently and pretend to be educated and well mannered but in reality you just have no knowledge of the subject and just resort to abuse to deflect from your inability to come up with reasonable solutions.All very undignified and shows you for what you are. |
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You see this is the problem when you get into talks with the Irish
They insist on something , and then say it’s because you want it lol |
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pecked don’t start to preach , I’m not impressed
You’ll have to stop that it’s rude Especially when you can’t tell the basic truth |
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So just to clarify lfc, you are still saying the Irish and the EU requested the backstop.
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The Irish requested the backstop , the Irish are insisting in the backstop staying in place
Now I’m not going to go over that simple fact again. |
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Don't let the truth spoil your little illusion old chap.
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ok
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Fact time lfc, just google,
irishtimes the backstop was a british proposal,not one tabled by ireland or eu. That is not propaganda,you will not find it on british papers for obvious reasons. come back with your findings please |
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I see your in deep musing over that thought provoking article,it really should have been the opening post,ah well,blame someone else,surely can't be your own fault.
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It wasn't the British Government that proposed the backstop.
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The ROI and the EU are using the backstop as a weapon against the UK. Non surprise then.
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The EU have rules
I don't think the ROI want a hard border, they would hope for a United Ireland at some stage' |
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Deary me pl I’ve taken a look at that Irish times article
Stop wasting my time , it’s as devious and deceptive as might be expected of an Irish journalist It says the backstop was a British proposal that reflected a belated recognition that N Ireland was part of the U.K. We don’t need a backstop for that that’s a fact of life The backstop originally was insisted upon by the Irish and the eu to ensure no hard border That was it’s aim then and now The Irish journalist is either confused or telling lies He’s certainly not making any sense Try and spot that in future when you read something |
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if there is a hard border between ireland and northern ireland ,what do you think will happen when Scotland rejoin the EU when they get their independence,do you think the EU are not going to protect that border?.a guy called Davis (i think)invented the backstop,and he was a member of the British government.i am not sure but i think i am correct.
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the backstop is written into law,some guy stood up in parliament one day at the request of Theresa May and explained in great detail for 2 hours how water tight it is,they are all waffling and its all to fool the British public again,and everyone knows its all waffling .
Brexit means=we are not really going to leave but we can not tell the British people that they voted the wrong way,so we have to waffle for a long long time until we have a second referendum. |
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lfc - the "backstop" in the Withdrawal Agreement is a UK proposal.
(the original NI-only backstop was an EU proposal). You are making a fool of yourself denying this. |
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will boris give northern ireland back to ireland,that is the big question.?
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Wallflower you are making a fool of yourself if you think I don’t know that
The point is the backstop was an Irish and eu proposal , it had to be amended But it was the Irish and the eu who wanted it a insurance against a hard border Then and now I don’t want to have to explain that again |
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… But at no time was it a British Government proposal.
May took the proposal to Westminster and the backstop was found to be unacceptable. |
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will boris give northern ireland back to ireland,that is the big question.? brassneck
No he cannot do that, there is a pledge that says N.Ireland can only re unite with ROI if the majority in N. Ireland agree We hold Gibraltar and the Falkland islands on the same basis. One would hope in the long term Ireland is re united, but when is anybodies guess????????? |
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It wont happen in time for Brexit, that is for sure
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It really is something when you have to continually explain these very basic things
And then you are asked to look at an article in the Irish times only to find the journalist there is trying to pull the wool over the Irish people’s eyes And succeeding , I don’t know |
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the irish are use to it,the war has gone on since 1690 ,but for once just once in that long time the catholics out number the protestants ,so if there was a vote on a united ireland in northern ireland tomorrow the catholics would win by 1% if everyone who was eligible to vote voted on their religions .SO that answer to brexit is in a northern poll if someone used it.
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“If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.”
— W. C. Fields |
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When Theresa May first come back with the backstop the Brexit papers were lauding it as a success showing that we can get something out of the EU in negotiations. That shows you just how clueless these publications have been all along.
Telegraph in June 2016 constantly told its readers how the Norway model was the only sensible version of Brexit that could be implemented and was the most popular method of leaving, look at the bile they now tell you today. |
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brassneck in time it’s likely there will be a United Ireland , the demographics point that way
But it could take 30 years , now I know Brexiteers have shown great patience and forbearance But we’re not prepared to wait 30 years ! |
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One would hope in the long term Ireland is re united, but when is anybodies guess
It will have to be in the long term because at this time there is no appetite for a United Ireland in either the ROI or NI. |
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Boris said to Angela today that he is happy with 30 days to sort it all out,so he must have some plan .
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That's reassuring.
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Lol, that will be a miracle
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he knows what he's doing; unlike Catweazle
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And the biggest clue to everything that has been said about Brexit is that our friend Michael Gove said that Britain will leave on the 31st october 2019,and Michael tells porkies every single time he talks and never tells the truth,so lads
for betting advice =Chargeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Michael is the spin doctor
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akabula 22 Aug 19 00:46
One would hope in the long term Ireland is re united, but when is anybodies guess It will have to be in the long term because at this time there is no appetite for a United Ireland in either the ROI or NI. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not too sure about that. Definitely in favour of united ireland in ROI if put to a vote, no doubt about it - too emotive. The Irish wouldn't "bottle it" like we did in Scotland, not a chance. NI, its a close run thing, Teresa May was told if no-deal Brexit then result of irish border poll would be touch and go. In our Dublin office a few NI people working there from Unionist background - have said to me where the thought of UI in the past wouldn't even be entertained its now being "actively discussed" among their friends. Not in favour of it, though accept the inevitability of it and the thinking is that perhaps its best to influence the structures of a "new country" rather than "join the Republic". |
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no country on these islands have ever voted for independence, and never will
Including Scotland |
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i am talking about the event of no deal.EU pump billions in grants into Northern Ireland every 4 years to keep the peace and support the standard of living.In a no deal situation the British TAX payer will not like 23% of their wages going to support their Northern Irish friends which will result in one of two outcomes.1 the British tax payer will revolt and refuse to pay for the upkeep of N.I.And N I. Will suffer a very serious depression.
OR 2.The British economy will buckle because of the billions it pumps into the N.I. economy.and the standard of living in Britain will drop like a stone. if Ireland were handed back N.I Tomorrow,the EU would continue with the Grants and Brexit would be solved. Now boris has a plan,i just wonder is his plan to hand back N.I.To Ireland ?a move nobody ever thought of,but would enrage half the population of N.I. |
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Reading the red button today, Boris does not want backstop, which means a border between N and S Ireland.
Unless the BBC have got that the wrong way round?????? Very confusing  |
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Boris also said with energy and creativity WE???? can find a way forward
What does Boris think he is being paid for???? |
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Now boris has a plan,i just wonder is his plan to hand back N.I.To Ireland ?a move nobody ever thought of,but would enrage half the population of N.I. brassneck
It could lead to violence and war.  Still nobody seems to know what they are doing at the moment brassneck, your guess is as good as mine. |