Can you beat the bookies? BBC1 tonight 10:35

Court in the act was he?

He won't be capped on here

bet365 cap anyone who can read....paddy power not much bettet

They don't want you to win.

Another one next Monday at 8.30, Panorama on problem gambling - I wonder if they will highlight the problem of not being able to get a bet on?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007m0t

so he was basically tring to cheat the bookies ?

trying

Yes; it was a racket.

don't blame Bet 365 for banning cheats

Is it cheating?

I don't do it, I don't bet on tennis

He was extremely foolish going on camera showing his courtsiding methods.

the bookies will end up  losing as a result every single time  ....so it is unfair  on them ....certainly unfair on trading sites like this and it just leads to annoying slower countdowns as well as hoovering up funds from   genuine punters  .

its like having to lock your bike and door etc because  folk can't be trusted not to steal

it's illegal in Australia

The procedure takes place when a spectator at a sporting event passes on, or uses, information which leads to bets being placed on 'in-game markets' before the bookmakers receive the information, and change the odds due to the in-play happening.

It has been claimed that courtsiding was illegal in Victoria, Australia, in 2013; with it comes a prison sentence of up to 10 years under the Integrity In Sports Act. It had been alleged to be an offence under the Gambling Act 2005. Chris Eaton opined, that match fixers had turned to courtsiding due to it being "easier to accomplish". The UK Gambling Commission, however, have subsequently confirmed that courtsiding is not considered an offence in the UK.

Craig Tiley, CEO of Tennis Australia, later said that it could "arguably could be illegal, maybe some cases legal", and the chairman and CEO of the tour said that he felt it was not a major issue.

At the 2013 Australian Open, there was a case of courtsiding, but the necessary legislation needed in order to commit an arrest was not in place.

The first arrest for courtsiding was at the 2014 Australian Open when a 22-year-old British man, Daniel Dobson, allegedly had an electronic device sewn into his shorts, in order to relay scores to a syndicate.Dobson's employers, Sporting Data, denied any involvement in illegal betting or any other illegal activity, issuing a statement that condemned Dobson's arrest as a "grossly unfair accusation".The case was withdrawn on the 6 March 2014.

The England and Wales Cricket Board released the fact that in summer 2013 there were 23 people ejected for what was believed to be courtsiding.

At the 2016 US Open, 20 spectators were caught courtsiding and were placed under bans that prohibited them from attending the tournament for 20 years; one of the individuals kicked out in 2016 was arrested for trespassing after being spotted at the tournament in 2017.

I remember watching Wimbledon tennis a few years ago, and the camera zoomed in on a group of people with laptops open.
The commentator congratulated them on continuing their studies whilst watching the tennis!
Oh dear lol.

Does this apply to other sports...say a person is watching a football match live..do they have a similar advantage?

Don't know REGY probably not much would think they'd have more effective delays given the size of the football markets,never know might be different down the divisions but betting options and liquidity will also be limited I'd suspect.

Do many people win at gambling I never have my bets are recreational, the best system I have had was one if the first I ever used back in the 80s my Saturday best 3 horses double up after a loss

Aug 7, 2019 -- 7:22PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

Does this apply to other sports...say a person is watching a football match live..do they have a similar advantage?

tennis ideal for it becuase of the points going backwards and forwards

Tennis is particularly interesting due to the scoring system that ensures that the favourite can switch back and forth multiple times in the same game, point by point. Each point can be over in seconds.

The scary thing is how far behind live the pictures you have at home can be.
Live tennis on Amazon Prime can be 30-45 seconds behind

Not a problem when it comes to horse racing

What if you knew the leader, ten lengths clear, had fallen at the last five seconds before the rest of the world ?

Some people do they are at the track with fast connection into betfair before that it was the fast picture shop I even attended the one at Newcastle not that it done me much good but some people where making thousands a day

A pal of mine had his son programme a voice activated programme that beat the speed of typing in a bet or a lay bet. I cant compete with that and stop trying.

looked like they were lining up bets on game point, and hitting submit when point was won, and before
umpire confirmed point into scoreboard, .....so bookies were suspending on scoreboard?

not too difficult for bookie to spot that and suspend or restrict account.

courtsider will be a marked man, unless they used an actor to play the part.

i don't think that bloke went to RADA somehow

He seemed very nervy and shaky. Maybe it was a medical condition.

could easily be one of the students  that he bought accounts from, in front of camera.

hair long/greasy enough

In general, the show was a lightweight effort and somewhat disjointed.
The good work was done by the researchers in tracking down the contributors who were prepared to appear on camera.

It was disappointing to learn that the "bet on jockeys wearing pink" system doesn't work.

The courtsider section was interesting, the story of the umpire who needed to log in for each point was hilarious.

Aug 7, 2019 -- 8:54PM, Angoose wrote:

Tennis is particularly interesting due to the scoring system that ensures that the favourite can switch back and forth multiple times in the same game, point by point. Each point can be over in seconds.The scary thing is how far behind live the pictures you have at home can be.Live tennis on Amazon Prime can be 30-45 seconds behind

Amazon have snapped up nearly all the tennis from next season, and like you say nearly a minute behind which is an age in modern coverage.

It's a disgrace really gone from great coverage on Sky and Bt a few seconds behind to a stone age streaming service, hopefully the football fans will be in uproar in December!

Why can't Amazon make a proper sports channel on the Sky menu, then there would be no problem?

I agree with Angoose.

I also thought the closing comments were wise words ie that you will lose unless you're Tony Bloom or that other guy who had 44 researchers working for him or you're prepared to put in hours and hours of study every day.

pretty much value betting,they are using all those resources looking for prices that are out of line,with their expenses the bets they put on must be massive and surprised they can still get on with any bookmaker worldwide the amount they need to win to make the profit they do

I believe that the footy matches Amazon have the rights to are going to be available on BT Sport's platform (presumably for an extra fee) so there may not be the massive delays that there is with streaming over the internet. I'm not sure if the same will apply to the ATP tennis rights that they have though.

I can tell when someone is going to miss a penalty

not always of course, but often enough

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/30/amazon-prime-video-join-forces-bt-sport-allow-premier-league/

This article suggests that Amazon content will be available via BT Sports but only in pubs.

i go to watch cricket at durham

usually tv is 8 seconds behind live..timed by my watch

but i have seen live cricket on tv in members lounge which i have timed
to be 18 seconds delay from live.



there are allsorts of notices telling folk you must not relay commentary, to
people not present at ground, on pain of being kicked out.



see "youngsters" betting on their phones at t20 matches but taking
rubbish odds from bookies, ..pity betfair dont still visit sports grounds with
their clinics....not seen one for at least 10 years, ....there would be a huge
benefit to folk to see what they are doing wrong!!

I have severe doubts the BBC would have shown this programme had he won at the end. If those 3 matches had come in, I suspect he would have been forced to lose on summat else. The fact he was done  by 2 late goals made the BBC's day. He could easily have just kept doing the tennis betting to get to his target but wouldn't have been allowed.

We have no idea what bets he really placed, and he even passed up the option to cash out on one of the football bets for £2,500 when 1-0 up with minutes left. All a bit contrived.

Would have been interesting to have been told a bit more detail about the tennis bets, there will have been many that he will have failed to get on, the suspension coming quicker than the time to get on.

UsuaL BBC garbage to promote the message that gambling is bad.

if the BBC are gonna focus on anything  they need to follow someone playing the fobts .

bookies odds in sport are usually OK  and probably better odds vs the lottery .


all a bit contrived anyway ..typical shyte from the corporation .... didn't the nervous fellow say one of his mates  wasted his student loan ?...student at Oxbridge ?  .... how come these student types make such bad gamblers ...i thought they were the brains of the nation ?

thought the football bets shown sere hardly based on inside info, ie swansea keeping same side as midweek game, rashford not playing etc.

Odds probably better than the lottery ?????

Lottery retains 50%.
Most other forms 20% retention, giving back 80%.
Many better.
FOBTs actually ... if it is roulette 3% or 6%, depending on how many zeroes.
It’s all about the turnover with them.

Aug 8, 2019 -- 8:54PM, RacingCert wrote:

Odds probably better than the lottery ?????Lottery retains 50%.Most other forms 20% retention, giving back 80%.Many better.FOBTs actually ... if it is roulette 3% or 6%, depending on how many zeroes.It’s all about the turnover with them.

lottery odds don't work like that as a certain % of lottery money is put back into the community  ....so the retention isn't as you say

I shouldn't have evn mentioned the lottery in fairness as most folk by a limited number of tickets   .

FOBTs are definitely the problem with 'problem' gamblers

buy

Aug 8, 2019 -- 8:25PM, morpteh mackem wrote:

thought the football bets shown sere hardly based on inside info, ie swansea keeping same side as midweek game, rashford not playing etc.

Agree surely most people who don't just stick a pin in check the injuries and suspensions before betting.

on the subject of betting accounts ,i had a long term winning account with one of the big companies ...it was just one where i picked a few outsiders over time and had way above  average luck with it .  No sinister arbing  or anything like that , just a knack of picking  winning horses  for small stakes .

  I finally had the account closed  after around 10 years and around 7k up only because i had stopped using the account  and in later years just took advantage of a few free bets  that were emailed  my way  .

So maybe they are just after sharps and not lucky long term punters

not sure how the courtsider even gets way with that practice as  it must look so obvious on all his 'accounts'

I've had accounts restricted without a horse having ran just for backing a shortener and had plenty restricted after 1 winner without taking the P with stakes,have said plenty on this subject on the horse racing forum it's extremely bent and by no means based on money won and lost but that's another story.

You're right about courtsider would be a doddle to sniff out after a few bets imo. would have to chuck in plenty deliberate losers to keep it going.

makes me wonder if  the guy  was for real or just some stoodge   

They will bombard you with emails asking you to make a casino deposit and they'll match it up 100%, you then proceed to do your absolute balls on the slots, losing close to say £10,000....

You then get an email to gamble responsibly, followed by another "come and deposit and we'll..." one

Get pestered to deposit, do your balls in, patronised about needing to gamble responsibly like a 5 year old, then asked to come and do your balls in again

That's the bookies/casinos right there

These casino streamers who are paid to get the smucks in make me laugh as well

"remember to gamble responsibly, there's help there if needed, oh and my casino offers are right there so come and do your b0llucks in "

They really do need people to be totally braindead but they get them bless em

This will have been flagged up at 365 towers having there pants pulled down as i understand he didn't normally bet on the tennis never mind parts of the game and then his staking would have been massively over the top compared with his normal bets and he kept winning and winning which is easily flagged up so i was very surprised he was only restricted the day after and not during his winning run courtesy of court siding.

Can people do courtsiding on bf?

Liquidity would be an issue I think and wouldn't be markets on Mickey Mouse games.

Not so much on a game by game basis as shown on the show last night, but on the outright and set betting, it absolutely would provide an advantage for trading out a position.

Of course, the three/ five second bet submission delay would work against you, that is why it is there, but you would still get some cash on.

He had there pants down
On earlys flat racing , where it all started
Match betting horses
Than at golf doing same as court side
Paid cash for people accounts and extras
Got rip off by people lots and has got I’d say
50 accounts will bag or more in limbo !!
He’s machine my hat goes off to him
I remember when had shoes that could talk
Buying 15p dinners