Trump and the NHS

Average waiting time under your oh-so-wonderful NHS? Months
Average waiting time under The Don? Hours.

Only because the NHS is being deliberately underfunded and run down to pave the way for full scale privatisation , then the cowboy private firms from allover the world can take more money out of it , and you have a two tier system like america where the poor take their chance on low quality hospitals and the middle classes get rip off by sky high health premiums

or no cure at all if you are poor

That’s why he wants it, M.

His hair?

with all the things coming back into taxpayers hands,banks,prisons,probation services,rail franchises, they,ll have to privatise something new or people might think Corbyn/McDonald are running the country,

surprise surprise the Don back tracks on the NHS being on the table.

Where would you find a table big enough to place the NHS

EVEN WHEN FRESH IN PEOPLES MEMORIES 30 years people including some of those involded got live years,lifetimes without using the word Nazi, now people dont seem to be able to get past morning coffee time without managing not to use the word, tim lowton having a pop at the woman above got the word Nazi into PMQ,S

They are waiting for you to show them the error of their ways and to provide guidance and leadership

Why do people keep pedalling this myth about the constant fear of “privatisation” of the NHS?

Government departmentsts including the Civil Service, Education, local councils, armed forces, Police & NHS do not make/produce anything & everything is supplied/provided by the private sector, from ballpoint pens to tanks, all paid for by Private sector employees & employers taxation!

The MSM rarely question/scrutinise procurement, the biggest failure (over many years) of successive governments. Quite bizarre considering the incredible buying power of the NHS (the fifth largest employer on the Planet!) & the vast quantities of equipment/supplies required daily/weekly/annually.

This is one of the obsession with our national religion, the NHS.

We need to decide what the NHS about, via a Royal Commission.

Is it the government providing health care, where it makes the drugs, builds the equipment, etc or is it a national service providing the best health care possible regardless of where it comes from while ensuring it is free (well, taxpayer funded) at the point of use?

If what's being proposed is a USA trade deal that will not end the concept of "free at the point of use" and that we all must get health insurance, merely that USA companies should be allowed to provide treatments and if those treatments cure people then why should they not be used?

Isn't this what a negotiation is about - these kind of details?

A bit of 'whataboutery' but the massive Class A lawsuits that can be filed against 'Big Pharma USA' is arguably a huge incentive for them to ensure they do what they say they are going to do and not try playing fast and loose with systtems, costs and standards?

"The US companies that charge diabetics hundred of dollars a month will sue the nhs for losses when insulin is prescribed free.  This was the big argument against TTIP."
This sounds like complete bollox and doesn't make sense.

Does anyone really think The Chump knows what the NHS is?

Maybe he realised after he said what he did and tried to cover up his stupidity.

I don't think the NHS will be opened up to American Insurance and profits but Labour should base their Campaign around it!

timbuctooth    04 Jun 19 19:18 
Average waiting time under your oh-so-wonderful NHS? Months
Average waiting time under The Don? Hours.

In with both feet to defend the buffoon - have you or your family used the NHS.

Wouldn't have to do with under funding and cutbacks would it? Waiting lists were much shorter before Cameron got in and that is a fact.

What timbuctooth wants for Britain

The human cost of insulin in America

For most of us, our bodies produce insulin naturally. But for Type 1 (T1) diabetics like Ms Marston, insulin comes in clear glass vials, handed over the pharmacy counter each month - if they can afford it.

One vial of the insulin Ms Marston uses now costs $275 (£210) without health insurance.

In 1923, the discoverers of insulin sold its patent for $1, hoping the low price would keep the essential treatment available to everyone who needed it.

Now, retail prices in the US are around the $300 range for all insulins from the three major brands that control the market.

Even accounting for inflation, that's a price increase of over 1,000%.

Stories of Americans rationing insulin - and dying for it - have been making national headlines.

The most famous case, perhaps, was 26-year-old Alec Smith, who died in 2017 less than a month after he aged out of his mother's health insurance plan. Despite working full-time making more than minimum wage, he could not afford to buy new insurance or pay the $1,000 a month for insulin without it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47491964

What if you can't afford £50 per month? Plenty can't. Do we just let pensioners, children of the unemployed or disabled, people who have recently been made redundant etc just rot?

Is that the plan? Do we have our own stories of people being knocked over begging passers by not to call an ambulance as it'll bankrupt them.

Just wondering.

And are US firms any less inefficient? Do they not pay millions out to managers, admin staff, lobbyists, salesmen?

Or are they in fact much more inefficient because they are in fact businesses tasked with improving the bottom line, rather than simply running a service to help sick people.