Trump and the NHS

he mostly lies about everything he says so why would this be any  different?.He probably does not know what NHS stands for

Average waiting time under your oh-so-wonderful NHS? Months
Average waiting time under The Don? Hours.

Don't you mean hours + lots of money

Only because the NHS is being deliberately underfunded and run down to pave the way for full scale privatisation , then the cowboy private firms from allover the world can take more money out of it , and you have a two tier system like america where the poor take their chance on low quality hospitals and the middle classes get rip off by sky high health premiums

1.01 he doesn’t know what the N.H.S. is.

or no cure at all if you are poor

Nice
Hair
Style

That’s why he wants it, M.

Don't the Tories want to privatize it anyway?

His hair?

with all the things coming back into taxpayers hands,banks,prisons,probation services,rail franchises, they,ll have to privatise something new or people might think Corbyn/McDonald are running the country,

Think he borrowed it from "syrup"minder 1983.,

surprise surprise the Don back tracks on the NHS being on the table.

the Donald thought he said  BHS

Where would you find a table big enough to place the NHS

I see the woman at the forefront of the footage yesterday screaming "nazi scum" right in the face of a guy in his 50s (who apparently may have been an american tourist) because he had been wearing a pro Trump hat, her face contorted with obvious hate, then cheering when he had a milkshake thrown at him, has been outed as a "caring" NHS worker. Quite a credit to the organisation.

Once outed backtracked a sort of onlinbe apology then deleted it ..

EVEN WHEN FRESH IN PEOPLES MEMORIES 30 years people including some of those involded got live years,lifetimes without using the word Nazi, now people dont seem to be able to get past morning coffee time without managing not to use the word, tim lowton having a pop at the woman above got the word Nazi into PMQ,S

They've turned the NHS into a shambles, and the people in charge won't reform it for their own reasons.
Better ask them why they won't do what's necessary to put it right.

They are waiting for you to show them the error of their ways and to provide guidance and leadership

I should really learn how to post images on here ..:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/818/hitlerbook.JPG

Why do people keep pedalling this myth about the constant fear of “privatisation” of the NHS?

Government departmentsts including the Civil Service, Education, local councils, armed forces, Police & NHS do not make/produce anything & everything is supplied/provided by the private sector, from ballpoint pens to tanks, all paid for by Private sector employees & employers taxation!

The MSM rarely question/scrutinise procurement, the biggest failure (over many years) of successive governments. Quite bizarre considering the incredible buying power of the NHS (the fifth largest employer on the Planet!) & the vast quantities of equipment/supplies required daily/weekly/annually.

This is one of the obsession with our national religion, the NHS.

We need to decide what the NHS about, via a Royal Commission.

Is it the government providing health care, where it makes the drugs, builds the equipment, etc or is it a national service providing the best health care possible regardless of where it comes from while ensuring it is free (well, taxpayer funded) at the point of use?

If what's being proposed is a USA trade deal that will not end the concept of "free at the point of use" and that we all must get health insurance, merely that USA companies should be allowed to provide treatments and if those treatments cure people then why should they not be used?

If what's being proposed is a USA trade deal that will not end the concept of "free at the point of use" and that we all must get health insurance, merely that USA companies should be allowed to provide treatments and if those treatments cure people then why should they not be used?

The US companies that charge diabetics hundred of dollars a month will sue the nhs for losses when insulin is prescribed free.  This was the big argument against TTIP.

Trump has complained about the UK negotiating cheap drugs.

Isn't this what a negotiation is about - these kind of details?

A bit of 'whataboutery' but the massive Class A lawsuits that can be filed against 'Big Pharma USA' is arguably a huge incentive for them to ensure they do what they say they are going to do and not try playing fast and loose with systtems, costs and standards?

one of these days the MM might just realise that Trump is not a politician. Mind you, then their easy digs would just seem a little contrived

"The US companies that charge diabetics hundred of dollars a month will sue the nhs for losses when insulin is prescribed free.  This was the big argument against TTIP."
This sounds like complete bollox and doesn't make sense.

Good stuff Hanx.

We are constantly told the EU supply a lot of medicine and the NHS will run out if we leave without a deal.

Any self respecting Govt would have gone to America and asked them to meet the order at the same or a better price. Quite why people get so upset is very strange.

Do people REALLY think the NHS is completely nationalised???

Does anyone really think The Chump knows what the NHS is?

Maybe he realised after he said what he did and tried to cover up his stupidity.

I don't think the NHS will be opened up to American Insurance and profits but Labour should base their Campaign around it!

Jun 5, 2019 -- 9:13AM, Just Checking wrote:

"The US companies that charge diabetics hundred of dollars a month will sue the nhs for losses when insulin is prescribed free.  This was the big argument against TTIP."This sounds like complete bollox and doesn't make sense.

What?

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-ttip-mean-privatisation-nhs/

Market access means that monopolies must be abolished. These include public services that are provided by the state or by a limited number of suppliers—like the NHS. If the EU or an individual government doesn't want to open its public services to wider competition, it must specify that they’re not covered.

This was the US dealing with Europe - why should they change when dealing with the UK?

The US ambassador said NHS would have to be part of the agreement.  Trump is a lying buffoon so what he says doesn't matter.

timbuctooth    04 Jun 19 19:18 
Average waiting time under your oh-so-wonderful NHS? Months
Average waiting time under The Don? Hours.

In with both feet to defend the buffoon - have you or your family used the NHS.

Yes, it`s pretty dire, isn`t it! Months-long waiting lists only happen under nationalised health care, suffering the same problem all state-run services inflict upon us; inefficiency

Wouldn't have to do with under funding and cutbacks would it? Waiting lists were much shorter before Cameron got in and that is a fact.

It`s quite simple; instead of paying NHS contributions every week, you put the cash into private insurance. Hey presto, no `underfunding and  cutbacks`, no waiting lists, no being fobbed off with what the state deigns to begrudgingly provide. Instead, the very finest providers vie for your custom, with the resultant good old fashioned competition benefiting every patient. Don`t believe what your elite tell you, the NHS is not the envy of the world, the proof being that no one else has done the same, made the same obvious mistakes, knowing no state can do anything efficiently.

What timbuctooth wants for Britain

The human cost of insulin in America

For most of us, our bodies produce insulin naturally. But for Type 1 (T1) diabetics like Ms Marston, insulin comes in clear glass vials, handed over the pharmacy counter each month - if they can afford it.

One vial of the insulin Ms Marston uses now costs $275 (£210) without health insurance.

In 1923, the discoverers of insulin sold its patent for $1, hoping the low price would keep the essential treatment available to everyone who needed it.

Now, retail prices in the US are around the $300 range for all insulins from the three major brands that control the market.

Even accounting for inflation, that's a price increase of over 1,000%.

Stories of Americans rationing insulin - and dying for it - have been making national headlines.

The most famous case, perhaps, was 26-year-old Alec Smith, who died in 2017 less than a month after he aged out of his mother's health insurance plan. Despite working full-time making more than minimum wage, he could not afford to buy new insurance or pay the $1,000 a month for insulin without it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47491964

State  Monthly Health Insurance   

Alaska $426   
Alabama 217   
Arkansas236   
Arizona 247   
Delaware 255   
Florida 285   
Georgia 253   
Iowa 251   
Illinois 244   
Indiana 276   
Kansas 196   
Louisiana 284   
Maine 271   
Michigan 251   
Missouri 254   
Mississippi 234   
Montana 210   
North Carolina 270   
North Dakota 242   
Nebraska 243   
New Hampshire 246   
New Jersey 307   
New Mexico 211   
Nevada 279   
Ohio 258   
Oklahoma 209   
Oregon 206   
Pennsylvania 231   
South Carolina 249   
South Dakota 235   
Tennessee 225   
Texas 239   
Utah 180   
Virginia 222   
Wisconsin 280   
West Virginia 242   
Wyoming 366   


So, as you can see, average payments of about $250 a month, which is about £200, so less than £50 a week. How much do you pay the NHS a week from your NI contributions? The big difference is that The Land Of The Free leaves you alone to decide for yourself if you want to pay for insurance, or whether you`d rather spend your own money otherwise, rather than have Nanny nick it, in order to squander chunks of it on administration, bureaucracy and assorted inefficiencies. Divert your NI dosh to private, and you get rid of waiting lists, second-rate treatments, days sitting on gurneys waiting for a bed, etc, etc
You choose!

What if you can't afford £50 per month? Plenty can't. Do we just let pensioners, children of the unemployed or disabled, people who have recently been made redundant etc just rot?

Is that the plan? Do we have our own stories of people being knocked over begging passers by not to call an ambulance as it'll bankrupt them.

Just wondering.

^
NI doesn't just pay for the NHS.  And in any case your figures ignore that families pay much more and there are $1000s in deductibles that the insured have to pay.  You also ignore the extra charges for pre-existing conditions and the elderly.

So crap from timbuctooth as per

And are US firms any less inefficient? Do they not pay millions out to managers, admin staff, lobbyists, salesmen?

Or are they in fact much more inefficient because they are in fact businesses tasked with improving the bottom line, rather than simply running a service to help sick people.

The US spends $10k+ per capita on healthcare.  The UK spends less than half that.  If there are deficiencies in the UK in comparison to the US, they could simply be remedied by doubling spending.

Jun 6, 2019 -- 6:18AM, dave1357 wrote:

What timbuctooth wants for BritainThe human cost of insulin in AmericaFor most of us, our bodies produce insulin naturally. But for Type 1 (T1) diabetics like Ms Marston, insulin comes in clear glass vials, handed over the pharmacy counter each month - if they can afford it.One vial of the insulin Ms Marston uses now costs $275 (£210) without health insurance.In 1923, the discoverers of insulin sold its patent for $1, hoping the low price would keep the essential treatment available to everyone who needed it.Now, retail prices in the US are around the $300 range for all insulins from the three major brands that control the market.Even accounting for inflation, that's a price increase of over 1,000%.Stories of Americans rationing insulin - and dying for it - have been making national headlines.The most famous case, perhaps, was 26-year-old Alec Smith, who died in 2017 less than a month after he aged out of his mother's health insurance plan. Despite working full-time making more than minimum wage, he could not afford to buy new insurance or pay the $1,000 a month for insulin without it.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47491964

The very finest providers vie for your custom, with the resultant good old fashioned competition benefiting every patient, keeping prices down

The idea that competition results in lower prices is laughable - look at the state of the industries that were privatised in this country - Gas, Electric, Water, Telecoms, Trains, etc.

State run monopolies (inefficient as they were) have been replaced by privately owned cartels that are equally inefficient.

Despite unimaginable advances in technology (allowing these businesses to shred their costs and their requirement for personnel) - these businesses are able to rig their prices artificially high because the services they provide are essential for (modern) life! ... as is healthcare. You can charge what you like for the latest piece of shiny plastic "must have" sh!t because I can choose to buy it or not - but in any civilised country, government should have a role in the provision of all things that are essential to their citizens.

TBT

the monthly prices you have posted below do they cover everything including treatment for pre existing conditions??????

i take it you took the average price from the link below

https://www.valuepenguin.com/average-cost-of-health-insurance#nogo

but if you read the comments section these figures seem to be rather low from what the comments say

the figures posted are for a 21 year old

30 year old add 1.13% a month
40 year old add 1.275 a month
50 year old add 1.78% a month
60 year old add 2.71% a month

Sick people see doctors, healthy people don’t.

Do you get a no claims bonus if you look after yourself?

Medical insurance rates when taken our privately are scandalous when compared to rates offered to companies for group schemes.
In the UAE, I was quoted premiums between 4 and 7 times higher for equivalent cover

Also, higher premiums for women of child bearing age

Wow! Pointing out that your beloved NHS, `the envy of the world`, (that nobody else actually wants!), is actually a crock, really does seem to break the taboos of lefties; just look at how many have turned up, positively SEEEEEETHING! Chortle!!!

i see that The great state of California is not in the figures prices must be rocketing in the great state with the police coming down with typhoid fever and LA piling up with trash

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/officer-typhoid-fever-la-urged-clean-homeless-camps-63382463


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/Rats-Fleas-Los-Angeles-Garbage-Trash-Piles-Health-Mayor-Eric-Garcetti-510171121.html

democrats for the American people

The brummies would feel at home there.

Haven't read the thread so sorry if already covered.
Not sure why we're worried as we were told at PMs questions that the NHS isn't on the table for any future trade negotiations with the USA.
Merely lies and fear tactics from the left.

Merely lies and fear tactics from the left.

It was more a case of Donald not understanding the question.

The US ambassador, who did understand the question, said that the NHS was in play.

Whilst Donald Trump said it wasn't and went on to say he never expected it to be.

Trump said everything was on the table. Perhaps like Mouse said, Donald misinterpreted the question.

Don don't know his elbow from his duck's arse.

Trump was referring to the already tendered out parts Mac.
Said in a n interview immediately afterwards and broadcast on the BBC exactly what I posted.

It does touch me when he has a tender moment.

Obviously backtracking but that was his comments on the matter.
Did okay for himself though mouse.

Did okay for himself

agreed

And I think we all could do ok for ourselves if our dad was a billionaire.

Yep, unless we had a seriously bad gamblering habit.

Mac will bet you any amount you like he hasn't.

Not every billionaires son got to become POTUS Mac.

No, some of them just wasted it on drugs, birds, booze etc

We could get rid of a billion in a few days mate, following Koi`s odds on tips in Hunters (and one on the Flat yesterday).

Jun 9, 2019 -- 6:00PM, akabula wrote:

Trump was referring to the already tendered out parts Mac.Said in a n interview immediately afterwards and broadcast on the BBC exactly what I posted.

trump is a liar and a cheat.  You cannot trust anything he says on trade.  His last weeks antics on mexico tariffs breached wto rules, nafta rules and the new as yet unratified agreement.

"trump is a liar and a cheat"

He would not be alone in the world of Politics