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28 Mar 19
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Surely after this Calamity regardless of how it Ends up , People Voting on anything will wonder if it is actually worth the Effort , Is there a Minimum turn out rule
regarding General Elections ??
regarding General Elections ??
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From the outset the rule should have been if that parliament couldn't agree on any deals put forward then we leave with no deal.
All this put to the people stuff is a simple case of bad losers trying to thwart democracy. |
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JRM and BOZO proper showed their true colours today and now JRM is changing his mind again wtf
 Gove already proven what he is in previous leadership contest so i wud be very surprised if any of these 3 get even near to be new leaders of their party - Hancock might be the one if ya fancy a punt   |
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They took no deal off the table and then voted against all other options
all of them need sacking and assets frozen with immediate effect, then deported for acts of treason.They are the biggest set of treacherous bas****s ever, all of them have shown their true clours here and that should be the end of em. We leave with no deal if they cant strike a deal, they cant agree a deal, take no deal off the table, and then vote against all other options. Kicking the can anybody? Get them the f*** out |
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I hope you're right with those 3.
Lost respect for Gove when he stabbed Boris in the back but then lost respect for Boris and JRM over their actions in resect of Brexit. Mind you quite a few Tories were shown up as rats with their Brexit shenanigans. Grieve and Soubry being the worst. What a time for politics. All this and the Tories are 8 points ahead of Labour in the polls. |
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Oh yes another one of those msm polls, aka?
I wouldnt follow those nowadays to be honest |
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Not vouching for its accuracy Sonta but surely Labour should be streets ahead of the Tories.
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i've asked this question many times of MPs - both parties; & have never received a decent answer. "Did the electorate know that their vote was not final; even though they were all told it was?" I wonder how many actually knew that it was Parliament who would decide if they liked it or not?
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Hancock is a window licker; & i say that with the utmost respect to window lickers.
He couldn't govern a covern |
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WE Vote MPs in , Brexit was Voted for , from Day 1 every MP should have been putting forward their Ideas regarding Brexit ,
Leavers and Remainers ,All I can see is a load of indecision and Spanner throwing That has been going on for over 2 years ' I can see no Resolution at all , Scandalous .. No doubt any referendum on anything that does not have a clear Majority would be Disputed anyway , Going forward to a General Election any recount that happens Must surely be open To a Re vote ?? AS a couple of Hundred people may have not been able to Vote for what ever reason .. |
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these "polls" got us to where we are today shirley.........
Only reason they called ref in 1st place was cos remoaners thought they were past post Only reason May called an early election was cos she thought she was past the post Look what happened in both cases....... Now we have BOZO and JRM saying they will now back what they previously said was a terrible deal...... and only for their own agendas above whats best for this country Sez it all about politicians really and Labour and SNP are no better by the way  |
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Mr Shearer, and only for their own agendas above whats best for this country
very true; but unfortunately,there is very few that put country & people first |
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Bap none of em can govern - i hated Maggie wiv a passion but she has been only one in my lifetime that has really given a fook (and even then she was right up there wiv all the bent fookers) .........and i never ever thought i wud ever type those words about someone i despised as a young man - sad days these are for our country
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a 2nd ref would only work if it was clear that what was voted for did not need Parliamentary approval. Something that i've seen mentioned, but by no means rigid
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100% Spot on Smirn , I would have voted Leave I did not Because my Other half wanted to Remain so to Avoid a Pointless walk to the Polling station for us Both , we agreed to Abstain ...
I don't actually Give a Flying anymore What we do both agree on is that Democracy as we know it is Finnished  |
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thats been proven Bap when mps take no notice of what their consituency voted for and vote against their wishes anyway - shudnt be allowed really and no surprise to see Labour resignations again tonight when people were not allowed to vote as they wished - all as bad as each other im afraid
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can't disagree; Thatcher would muller these melons. I fear for the political system, in fact the system is broken for good now imo. It is going to take some very smart minds & an awful lot of goodwill to get some sort of brevity back in the House
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nanny - i voted leave mainly just to p1ss off "the establishment" but also because i thought it wud help the likes of fisheries industry get back to a level playing field - sadly during our withdrawal (potential)agreement they still sold out in this area so i can see why people are calling for 2nd referendum now they have more clues as to what they are voting for.......
Funny thing is though if they went down that route again i firmly believe it will be a bigger victory for leave 2nd time around  |
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Would a petition to government to rule tha “NONE OF THE ABOVE” be included on the ballot paper get enough signatories?
I’ve spoilt my paper more times than i’ve Put a cross. |
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Democracy can now go one of two ways.
Tempting though it is to be cynical and say that it is dead the other option is that now the current brand of MP has been exposed as nothing more than inept, careerist, venal - oh hell just open the Thesaurus at 'hopeless' and keep reading - there is the opportunity for new parties to emerge. TIGgers, The Brexit Party a resurgence of the SDP. Yes there may also be traction for extremist parties but that's what you get when one is, effectively, told that your vote does not count. With the First past The Post system and years of ingrained 'brand awareness' / bovine acceptance of the major parties, with their financial support, nationwide party apparatus and logistics it's a hell of an ask I know for any new force to emerge. I think the best one can hope for is the dilution of support for Conservative and Labour, who have proven utterly inept in articulating any kind of a coherent vision for our country |
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Quite right, Hanx.
If it hadn’t been for Brexit all this would not have come to a head. The yo-yo politics of lab then con being in for a while might have continued but for the Scot Nats. Even awful con parties would win elections or so I thought until now. So will we have a GE when may’s successor is ensconced? Most will demand it but it will be a mess, surely? Both major parties are split. Chaos for years to come? |
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Its a stitch up just like Ireland and Denmark,there is no escape,accept it chaps
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The 2016 Referendum says we are 'Leaving'. Hence, the only vote must be: Mrs May's Deal or No Deal; whichever obtains the more votes - the winner. It's so simple!
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The state of some of these Planks in the House is beyond Belief , ALL SIDES ,these are the People running the show ,we Voted them in , Shocking behaviour by some , we must be the Political laughing stock of the World
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Pr1cks in Labour etc have been going on and on and about how the deal wasn't passed because May wouldn't engage with Labour and other parties and it's all her fault.
Then when the entire house is given a smorgasbord of options to chose from in a free *****ng vote, they can't decide on a single option anyway. Jesus wept. They are still banging on about a general election though. Still full of it. |
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most of Labour do not want a GE, JC as they know their ass will be kicked all the way back to Wiltshire
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Some journalist the other day said these votes would be a win/win for May as the shower of ****s (my word not theirs :)) in the parliament wouldn't decide on anything anyway and it would make May look good again and help revive her deal. Wish I could remember who it was as I want them to pick my lottery numbers.
I noticed the remoaner scum at the BBC yesterday were really ramping up the "population has changed its mind" bollox, as a final sprint after 3 years of saying Brexit is a disaster voted for by stupid racists and actively campaigning against it. |
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you should have watched Sky if you think that's bad. I contemplated going back to work
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Its not the demise of democracy. Its the continued stupidity of the public thinking the politicians work for them.
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Corbyn will undoubtedly "do a Kinnock" in so much as he is un-electable and will (against all the odds) prevent the Labour party from winning an election for so long as he is leader.
That leaves us in the hands of people like JRM. People that name their children Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher, Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius, Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan, Peter Theodore Alphege, Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam, etc. Truly a man of the people. I cannot imagine his business dealings/tax affairs would stand up to enough scrutiny to ever see him as leader or PM but stranger thinks have happened across the pond. Obviously other self-intersted slimes are also available. Not sure about the demise of democracy (thread title) - you still have options and you can still vote. The fact that the available options are equally abhorrent to sane people is a bit disappointing. Until they recognise the message that a spoiled ballot paper represents - I am sure it will just come down to who has the best slogan. |
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smirnoff2therescue • March 28, 2019 12:23 AM GMT
JRM and BOZO proper showed their true colours today and now JRM is changing his mind again wtf Maybe , just maybe , Mr Rees-Mogg is pinning all his hopes on Theresa May being replaced by a Brexiteer . Once we've left the withdrawal agreement can be ripped up  |
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Reynard; there are 'Brexiteers' & there are 'brixiteers' i hope the 1000 or so members know who/what they are voting for come the contest
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as i have repeated many times, & apologise for doing so again - there are NO Brexiteers in the current Cabinet
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I did say maybe ................
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i'm not having a pop at you Reynard; i'm just sick to the back teeth of the media calling certain members of the Cabinet 'Brexiteers' when they are nothing of the sort.
if they, or anyone else want to name a true Brexiteer; then they should look at Steve Baker & his band of merry men & women |
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This whole Brexit thing is playing out like the ultimate 'Divide & Conquer' .
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If any politician outs themselves as supporting brexit the media just start calling them "far right" anyway..
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Exactly They are really ramping it up as well, not sure its working though as they seem desperate in trying to goad one side or the other Tommy Robinson is trying it on now as well, you'd have to be stupid to fall for it, but it only takes a small minority on each side to fall for it and the likes of Tommy Robinson get paid |
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the Tory members face a massive decision in a few weeks/months, JC they can vote for a brixiteer currently in the Cabinet, & go through the same sh ite that the nutcae has put us through for 3 years; or they can do what they say they want, & vote a 'true' Brexiteerr to take us into the trade deals
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