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The Demise of Democracy in the United Kingdom
The Demise of Democracy in the United Kingdom
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To summarise - a nutter that is close to the current nutter but not quite so nuts, or a nuttier nutter that has caused the demise of the current nutter?
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Reasonable thread spoiled by Just Checking spilling bile.
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If the guys on the this week team are on the ball tonight, they'll show the vote results at the end to "no limits" by two unlimited on the end credits tonight.
Maybe get brillo and up Portillo up for another drunk uncle at a wedding dance  . |
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the only "nutter" to cause the demise of the present "nutter" is the original "nutter" Theresa Mary May
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Strong and Stable - I guess she has at least now trumped Running through the Fields of Wheat as the naughtiest thing she has done.
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she will be remembered for her "statements" Mr Management, a lot longer than for her political abiliities
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Constantly repeated three word slogans slogans are the new replacement for political abilities and policies.
Welcome to the internet savvy 21st Century. |
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It's only to be expected - people believed a bloke that says he doesn't want a nanny state - but employs a nanny!
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So MV3 she's planning
If she loses get ready for an unlimited extension and we can do this forever and ever amen |
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"may gets back into the ring"
On a stretcher? she's refusing to accept the knock out, and wants to be knocked out again, whereby she refuses to accept that knock out and she comes out in a coffin the next time The Undertaker would be proud |
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Some people just do not have a clue as to what democracy is. We are so fortunate in this country to be able to vote and change Government if we so wish. If you are unhappy with the two main political parties you will get a chance soon enough to remove their snouts from the trough!
Use you vote, don't give it away! |
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WD - i wasn't advocating spoiling your/my ballot (although it does take all of my very limited will-power to resist writing "none of this shower of coonts" on the paper.
My point was that due to where i have lived I have never been able to vote for (or against) a Prime Minister, I have never even voted to select a party leader. My likelihood of coming out on the winning side when I vote for a local MP is entirely dependant on my geographical location (except in a handful of marginals) - We have a democracy that we have become accustomed to calling a democracy. Maybe the nations we frown upon will embrace it and in future offer a free vote on the incumbent versus his more evil distant cousin - they then have a choice, does that make it a democracy? We laugh at or condemn that kind of democracy and/or **** elections but we are missing the irony imo. The bullet or the poison? I guess at least if I write "none of theses coonts" I might live to tell the tale. |
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The crux of the matter is the UK is 'Leaving' The EU ie the result of the 2016 Referendum; the UK can 'Leave' with the deal negotiated/on the table ie Mrs May's deal or 'Leave' without a deal - these are the only 2 choices/options MPs should have been asked to vote on. And the one receiving the more votes eg 'Leave' the UK will 'Leave' on that.
Is that so difficult to understand MPs? |
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But they took no deal off the table, the mps did not us
They are scum |
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"back deal and ill quit" should be the biggest red flag in history
Why is she offering to quit to get it through? |
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So it's "sh!t deal or no deal?" - I don't think that was the question in 2016 to be fair.
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impossible123 - Exactly correct . The decision to leave the EU was decided by referendum .
To leave: a) without a deal or b) with a deal are the only options available . |
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Put the blame where it lies and it is not the tory party, if the tories had been left to govern without interference from corbyn and labour and the liberals and snp
we would be leaving the EU tomorrow and democracy would have prevailed What is quite clear is that the only party that can be trusted to do the right thing is the Tory party , never again can we trust the other **** |
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I can never trust either , ever again (not that I have ever trusted either)
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that's unfair, the tories respected the British people , the other ****s didnt
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So fairly sh1tty deal or really sh1tty deal?
I really don't remember anybody up on a podium advocating that or that being one of the options in 2016. Which one relates best to Take Back Control iyo? - both involve giving away control imo. |
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Mays deal takes us out of the EU, the sm, the cu and stops freedom of movement
stop whining about a **** deal |
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It was leave or remain and leave won
Yet they have moved the goal posts, people should be down outside those gates politely telling them to get the f*** out Leave won yet we are being sold a totally pointless set of guidelines with Mays "deal" and no deal has been removed Its an absolute joke |
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lfc's arrival signals my departure. keep it simple. Have fun. Play nice.
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how uninteresting , bye
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Nothing personal - Tennis.
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passive aggressive as well as arrogant , that's not nice either management, run along now
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still here
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good boy
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I agree
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Hi lfc
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damn i missed him
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TM, the 2016 Referendum asks whether to 'Leave' or 'Stay' in The EU - nothing about how and/or what deal the UK 'Leave'. It was just either 'Leave' or Stay'. And, the winner (regardless of margin) was 'Leave'.
I do not care how the UK 'Leave' - I just want to 'Leave' 1st; post this the UK can negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. If necessary, the UK could negotiate further for an absolute/clean break from The EU even it it means a final total-break token payment of £27, a £1 to each existing member EU state. |
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When you say - I don't care how we leave, I just want to leave - from that point onward you lose me. Given what has happened so far you will also have to forgive me for thinking you have over simplified what will happen next if/after we leave.
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Really?
I understand the probable initial pain post Brexit, but in the long run I believe the UK is better off out than in. I certainly do not fall for the doom and gloom MP merchants whose qualification to comment on world affairs - politically and economically - does not warrant serious attention as most of them are career politicians and self-serving sorts who'd sell their grannies for pittance in return for votes at the opportune and strategic moments. The UK did more than ok prior to The EU (bureaucratic/trading cartel). And now with the enlarged membership of minnow states whose economic progress and development are being funded by the UK - one of the 5 regular main net contributors of EU - for more years I can remember; too many new members riding on too few net contributors in return for very little, and (possibly) self-serving interests and stiff trade competitors in the near future when their economies flourished, courtesy of EU funding. I'm all for remaining "friendly" neighbours with The EU, but foregoing one's sovereignty is a price too high to pay to be a member; reclaiming one's laws and policies for one's own destiny is a must, I firmly believe. The EU are led by unelected past-it (faceless to me) politicians with (limited) experience, and an unnecessary large army of bureaucrats; a cesspit of non-productivity and red-tape; guzzler of humongous funds. I relate The EU to an organisation like FIFA and where cronyism is the currency. |
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When you say - I don't care how we leave, I just want to leave - from that point onward you lose me. Given what has happened so far you will also have to forgive me for thinking you have over simplified what will happen next if/after we leave.
Along with ‘Well, what is your plan?’ the idea that Leavers are over-simplifying things are the two main points of attack by Remainers. There is a serious point here. The supra-nationalists are technocratic, they don't do the vision thing. For them the vision has been done: it is the European Project leading the world to one-world government by administrators in collaboration with experts from industry and academia. They are now the majority in Westminster. Original thinking makes them very uncomfortable. This is at the heart of Brexit: collaborating and competing nations of richly diverse character versus a uniform level playing field in which no nation, people or territory is allowed any advantage over another and all adhere to the same rules, values and ideas and all are minutely controlled centrally by technocrats for whom innovation is sinful deviation If you fall into the latter camp, it all does become relatively simple. A body which simultaneously claims to have kept the peace in Europe for 50 years, validate the nation state claims of Scotland (for example) whilst guaranteeing workers rights but still being the driving force behind globalisation – something this magnificent can surely produce a mechanism for one of its constituents to exercise its democratic will to leave the party and pursue its own way in the world? |
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Fair enough, so the guys that want to take us back in time to the good old days are the visionaries? It does make sense now.
I do love those steam trains to be fair. It suppose it also explains why Walter the Softy is dressed like a manikin from the British museum. |
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Back in time??
Really? What’s wrong with small? We've done big, empire, global power etc. Maybe small really will be beautiful? As for the EU, I've said many times what I see is a hijack of a great idea - to create a trading and cooperation area between free independent nations. A hijack by a resurgent Germany and a wannabe imperial France backed by globalised corporations and international finance calling the shots in Europe. It's another attempt to build a European empire with German economic backing (they are the only nation really doing well out of the project, ask the Italians, the Greeks, the Spanish etc.) The Empire dreamers aren't in Britain anymore (done that, been there, got the white-privilege guilt-trip) they are the EU with their plans for European armies, United States of Europe internal markets, advantageous to those who give up sovereignty and join their empire and punishing to those who refuse. A European land based empire by any other name with the imperial capital in Brussels where the empires laws are made and its ruling classes can run things with little or dissent from the serfs they are creating. Reducing the commodity of labour and skill to its lowest worth by creating a vast pool of cheap mobile workers willing to travel and leave their homes and compete with each other for work in a race to the bottom whilst the few get richer and richer. Taking back control is more than taking back control of a border. We can choose what we get after Brexit if we stop arguing with each other about whether or not we should give up and be part of the European empire or remain a small free and independent nation and get on with working to create a Britain we'd actually all like to be part of. Brexit might be nostalgia for some Management, but for others like me it’s the chance to actually begin again. |
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I am completely ambivalent hanx - so many very good things about it, yet so many very bad things too. Anyone that wasn't conflicted didn't understand the complexity of it. Yet everyone that campaigned (and still argues) for either side sees it in black and white and talks about it like it's great versus disaster, right versus wrong (this applies to both sides).
So whenever I hear anybody arguing with venom and every fibre in their body (for either side) - I know they either have a self serving agenda or are stupid. |
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Any person who doesn’t know how important it is that Britain should leave the EU after the British people voted to leave s a very stupid and untrustworthy individual , no ones fooled really
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