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tobermory
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Seems illegal not to, not sure how it is gonna pan out...

Four more schools in Birmingham have stopped teaching about LGBT rights following complaints by parents. Leigh Trust said it was suspending the No Outsiders programme until an agreement with parents was reached. Earlier this month the city's Parkfield Community School suspended the lessons after protests were held.

Campaigner Amir Ahmed said some Muslims felt "victimised" but an LGBT group leader said No Outsiders helped pupils understand it is OK to be different. Leigh Trust - which is yet to comment publicly - said it wanted to discuss the programme with parents to find "a positive way" of teaching about the Equalities Act. Some parents at Parkfield, and the other four schools, claim the classes are inappropriate for young children and the schools' LGBT message contradicts Islam. The No Outsiders project was created and piloted at Parkfield in 2014 by assistant head teacher Andrew Moffat, who was made an MBE for services to equality and diversity in education in 2017. Ofsted has deemed the lessons as "age-appropriate".

Mr Ahmed, one of the leaders of the Parkfield protests, said he had seen a presentation about the programme that was to be shown to the government as part of the school's Prevent strategy - which is aimed at reducing radicalisation. In a letter seen by the BBC, Leigh Trust said it was halting the lessons until after Ramadan, which finishes in June. The schools involved are Leigh Primary School, Alston Primary School, Marlborough Junior and Infants School and Wyndcliff Primary School. "I think that's outrageous," he said.  "It's quite disgusting that the school has presented our children as potential radicals." A spokesperson for Parkfield Community School said: "The powerpoint was written four years ago in line with Prevent duty at that time. "No Outsiders is all about tolerance, accepting difference and respect, which are all key aspects of community cohesion and our fundamental British values."

Mr Ahmed said his community was "respectful and tolerant" of British values but now felt victimised. He claimed parents who had protested were "effectively seen as homophobes in the wider community". "Fundamentally the issue we have with No Outsiders is that it is changing our children's moral position on family values on sexuality and we are a traditional community.

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."
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Report edy March 22, 2019 11:23 AM GMT
Don't you teach woodwork, history, English and sometimes even foreign languages even with some sex education lessons sprinkled in here and there?
Report Whisperingdeath March 22, 2019 11:26 AM GMT
I am not sure any primary school children need sex education lessons!
Report edy March 22, 2019 11:27 AM GMT
Though history can't be too big on the schedule. Can you believe some Scot told me just yesterday he had never heard of Prussia? And then there was of course the Tory MP who claimed Britain didn't benefit from the Marshall Plan.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 11:27 AM GMT
Edy , let’s put  it this way there is nothing about sex in England that has changed
over the last 1000 years ,
And we managed to get on pretty well
So I suggest they concentrate on maths
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 11:29 AM GMT
and woodwork
Report edy March 22, 2019 11:31 AM GMT
Woodwork is the best.
Report edy March 22, 2019 11:32 AM GMT
I have a brilliant idea. You could make woodwork of two men or two women holding hands Love

Boom, efficiency!
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 11:33 AM GMT
Carve some nice wooden dildoes.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 11:36 AM GMT
Practical things are very important to young people , especially boys
The British brain is a practical and scientific and creative brain
Unlike any other country ( greater in that respect sorry
Subjects such as woodwork are very important
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 11:52 AM GMT
Must admit it’s diffucukt to understand a lot of the nonsense that’s going on now
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 11:56 AM GMT
Whisperingdeath
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I am not sure any primary school children need sex education lessons!

^

That is a different conversation.

It appears they are having these lessons about relationships. Given that is happening this conversation is whether LGBT should be mentioned or not.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 11:57 AM GMT
But there is one thing for sure , the leftist liberals are being as hypocritical as ever
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2019 12:07 PM GMT
It appears they are having these lessons about relationships. Given that is happening this conversation is whether LGBT should be mentioned or not.

I am not sure any primary school children need sex education lessons!


Not sure how you can separate the first from the second and explain LGBT from a hetro relationship at the same time.

I know i don't want young kids being told in school by some Gay teacher that it is viewed by society as OK for some man to be sticking his dick up another mans arse.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 12:08 PM GMT
Well I think the Muslim parents are right on this one

And I think that the schools and teachers who are not following the law should be prosecuted
They deserve it for being hypocrites
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 12:15 PM GMT
You see it will become impossible to stop the leftist liberal agenda unless they themselves are held to account at every opportunity when they themselves don’t follow the guidelines / dictates

That’s why they should lose their jobs and be prosecuted   , because they would be merciless in doing the same to someone else
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 12:21 PM GMT
Let the schools teach academic subjects , and no more indoctrination on relationships or religion or politics please
Report edy March 22, 2019 12:21 PM GMT
Hopefully the Tory MP Davies can't block it from being voted on becoming mandatory again next week.
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 12:56 PM GMT
peckerdunne
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It appears they are having these lessons about relationships. Given that is happening this conversation is whether LGBT should be mentioned or not.

I am not sure any primary school children need sex education lessons!


Not sure how you can separate the first from the second and explain LGBT from a hetro relationship at the same time.

I know i don't want young kids being told in school by some Gay teacher that it is viewed by society as OK for some man to be sticking his dick up another mans arse.

^

It is not about that. It is about relationships. Even if it was (which it isn't) what is the difference between a man and man, a women and women or a man and a women doing the act you describe?
Report UBLE/REGY March 22, 2019 1:12 PM GMT
It should not be taught in Primary School this is too young

The longer we can keep children away from the world of sex, the luckier they are in my opinion.

When they reach puberty is when they are in it, whether they likeit  or not

So teaching is secomdary schools is ok, and necessary.

Muslims have to accept this, if their children are educated in this country
Report UBLE/REGY March 22, 2019 1:16 PM GMT
In our society, being L b G or T is legal, and will be the choice of some, so it has to touched upon.

Although I still think marriage between men and women is the best.
Report UBLE/REGY March 22, 2019 1:19 PM GMT
OK for some man to be sticking his dick up another mans arse insidetrader

I think that could have put a bit more tastefully myselfLaugh
Report Whisperingdeath March 22, 2019 2:11 PM GMT
Although I still think marriage between men and women is the best.


Contentious!

I know a lot of unhappily married peopleLaugh

I think that could have put a bit more tastefully myself


Well I don't think one man putting his dick in another man's mouth is tasteful either...figuratively speaking that is.

Not that I know either. I have never gone to bed with Martha and woken up with Arthur thank God.
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 2:15 PM GMT
What about the Muffins?
Report saddo March 22, 2019 2:18 PM GMT
My favourite pastime.
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 2:28 PM GMT
Well I don't think one man putting his dick in another man's mouth is tasteful either...figuratively speaking that is.

Is it ok if it is a woman's mouth? Is it ok if its two women?
Report Whisperingdeath March 22, 2019 2:34 PM GMT
Absolutely!

But not in front of the children! They do not need to know while they are children!
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 2:36 PM GMT
So it is not LGBT that is the concern. It is children being taught anything about relationships?
Report nellie1970 March 22, 2019 2:37 PM GMT
how about pegging being an acceptable practice??????
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 2:41 PM GMT
Pegging is forbidden during Ramadan.
Report Whisperingdeath March 22, 2019 2:44 PM GMT
Shocked

Not sure I know what pegging is!

I am not concerned about LGBT. I just don't think kids under 11 need to know about sex. If they were taught manners and how to respect people they do not have to know about LGBT, homosexuals, heterosexual, bi sexual or just plain greedy! Rule 1 be nice is all they need to know till they go to big school!

It is a shame more people here weren't taught better mannersWink! Why do you need to know what LGBT is if you can't grasp good manners?
Report saddo March 22, 2019 3:00 PM GMT
pegging is a bird taking you up the arris with a strap on. Scared
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 3:03 PM GMT
I fail to see the benefits.
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 3:06 PM GMT
Does anyone know what they actually teach primary school kids on this? I very much doubt it is what the people above are suggesting.
Report saddo March 22, 2019 3:10 PM GMT
If I wanted to programme them I would teach them the 'two mums two dads is normal' bit before they know what sex is, then hope the penny drops when it comes to sex education a few years later.
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 3:12 PM GMT
I'd tell them it should always be one mum, one dad unless your name is Jesus.
Report edy March 22, 2019 3:21 PM GMT
Pretty incredible that all of Christianity is based on either

a) Mary and Joseph lying to their parents
b) Mary lying to Joseph about affair(s) of hers and him being stupid enough to believe it.
Report edy March 22, 2019 3:22 PM GMT
*her parents
Report saddo March 22, 2019 3:31 PM GMT
What we have is a religion versus State situation. The kids are taught at home and religious school that gays are not to be tolerated, conflict is inevitable and will increase. Which will change, our education system or Islam?
Report edy March 22, 2019 3:32 PM GMT
Islam obviously. Just like other religions, it will thankfully continue lose potency, with a few hiccups here and there from the ever yesteryears clinging on.
Report InsiderTrader March 22, 2019 3:34 PM GMT
Is it religion v state or are the complaints about age?

Are people protesting against secondary schools teaching about LGBT relationships?
Report Injera March 22, 2019 4:28 PM GMT
Sexual intimacy is a precursor to sexual intercourse which may or may not lead to reproduction.

It's the foundation of all life. Cultural marxism seeks ground zero where everything is reinvented. If you say marriage is between a man and a woman you could be done for hate speech!!!

Don't be surprised when bi sexuals want 2 husbands/wives. That will lead to Muslims wanting multiple wives. Then beastiality then incest, then legalised paeodophilia.

It'll never end. Good on the Mulsims for trying to protect a modicum of childhood innocence and natural order.
Report saddo March 22, 2019 4:36 PM GMT
Lots of Muslims already have multiple wives. They are protecting the truth of the book on this matter not their kids. The book cannot be wrong, or questioned, yet there are teachers telling their kids that men laying with men is ok.
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2019 4:37 PM GMT
Insider as i said, how can you discuss those different relationship types and not explain the sexual difference.

You can't just tell a 8 yrs old child everybody just loves everybody, that teaches nothing good or true.

So no, these kids are too young to understand and should be left that way till a later age when they have some idea of pro creation, and how some men like a dick shoved up their arse.
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 4:41 PM GMT
people like Injera really are so similar to that which they are despise
Report Injera March 22, 2019 4:44 PM GMT
Explain? I'm happy to see the positives in anyone. I have little time for most strands of Islam but their efforts in protecting young children from exposure to LGBT is welcome imo.
Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 4:45 PM GMT
"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."   What a load of cobblers

Saying if you don't engage in homosexual acts you are homophobic is the same as saying "if you don't believe in Islam, you are islamophobic" 

Saying "Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have" is the same as saying morally, we don't accept Islam as a valid religion"

Case closed your honour.  Islam is homophobic.
Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 4:46 PM GMT
That said I don't think we should be teaching primary school children about sex
Report Injera March 22, 2019 4:52 PM GMT
Homophobia is a prejudice against the people who are gay. It's not homophobia to challenge or question the lifestyle of the those same people.
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 4:54 PM GMT

Mar 22, 2019 -- 5:44PM, Injera wrote:


Explain? I'm happy to see the positives in anyone. I have little time for most strands of Islam but their efforts in protecting young children from exposure to LGBT is welcome imo.


just need to read the garbage in your last post to see why.

people like you are far more harmful and damaging to LGBT people's way of life in Western countries right now than any group of hateful muslims would be

Report saddo March 22, 2019 4:58 PM GMT
people like you are far more harmful and damaging to LGBT people's way of life in Western countries right now than any group of hateful muslims would be




Denial or simply naive?
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 4:58 PM GMT

Mar 22, 2019 -- 4:06PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Does anyone know what they actually teach primary school kids on this? I very much doubt it is what the people above are suggesting.


http://equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/

this looks to be the blog of the person who come up with No Outsiders. nothing out of the ordinary here and no sex crazed panic like some weird people on here are going on about

Report Injera March 22, 2019 4:58 PM GMT
On the contrary, people 'like me' understand what Islam will do to gays long term as sharia law spreads across the UK.
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 4:59 PM GMT
it's ok, you only want to shame and hide them, pretending they don't exist Happy
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 4:59 PM GMT

Mar 22, 2019 -- 5:58PM, saddo wrote:


people like you are far more harmful and damaging to LGBT people's way of life in Western countries right now than any group of hateful muslims would beDenial or simply naive?


look at America

Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:00 PM GMT
yep including isis members Laugh
that's the kind of tripe from aaron sensible people have to put up with
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 5:03 PM GMT
I know that any sort of nuanced discussion is above you, lfc
Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 5:03 PM GMT
If you are a LGBT and born to a muslim family in a Western country they definitely wouldn't agree!  You'd be persecuted and then if you didn't repent disowned by most Muslim families.
Report saddo March 22, 2019 5:04 PM GMT
Exactly so.
Report Injera March 22, 2019 5:04 PM GMT
'shame and hide' gays?

That's a leap from not wanting kids to be taught that Adam and Steve is the same as Adam and Eve!

The NHS website advises gay men to have a checkup every 6 months. Gay practices are therefore harmful and I'm not sure it should be encouraged.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:05 PM GMT
when I hear such from you then I will let you know, im like that
very fair
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 5:05 PM GMT

Mar 22, 2019 -- 6:03PM, CLYDEBANK29 wrote:


If you are a LGBT and born to a muslim family in a Western country they definitely wouldn't agree!

Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 5:06 PM GMT
Better than being born to a muslim family in muslim country of course.  Execution in many of them
Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 5:09 PM GMT
Imagine being LGBT to a non muslim family in a muslim country!  Don't rate your chances or your family's for that matter.
Report CLYDEBANK29 March 22, 2019 5:13 PM GMT
Prolly safer with Kim Jong Un in North Korea, the only 1 of the 10 most corrupt countries in the world that isn't muslim.
Report aaronh March 22, 2019 5:23 PM GMT
Don't be surprised when bi sexuals want 2 husbands/wives. That will lead to Muslims wanting multiple wives. Then beastiality then incest, then legalised paedophilia.


your train of thought is that the existence of gay people leads to polygamy and to beastiality/incent/peadophilia. don't act like it's some small opposition you have here, but an inbuilt bigotry towards it.

gay people exist, the sooner kids know about it and aren't hateful about it like their terrible parents may be - the better. pretending they dont doesn't change anything.

also, you should probably be going for a STI checkup that often (whoever you are sleeping with) if you are sexually active anyway, especially if casual Happy


@clydebank, you may be right there but I doubt that subset of people is what either of those 2 have in mind. family exclusion is obviously the first level but within general society I still feel like my point stands.


to go back to to my point earlier. the likes of Hungary, Poland and Russia (minus Chechnya) probably see themselves as the antithesis to Middle East/Muslim countries values yet they are exactly the ones who are the worst on this point
Report Injera March 22, 2019 5:26 PM GMT
My train of thought is that boundaries are there for a reason. Remove them and anything goes.

I guess the 60% ratio of fatherless homes in the black community is not a cause for concern??
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:37 PM GMT
Injera • March 22, 2019 5:26 PM GMT
My train of thought is that boundaries are there for a reason. Remove them and anything goes.


uh...no...just...no. And I don't buy you really think so. Nobody remotely sane would. You're just bringing forward such an utterly stupid and ridiculous argument in a rather desperate attempt to justify not giving gay people the respect and rights they should enjoy.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:40 PM GMT
LGBT are more likely to be safe and free from harm among Christian people , that’s the average everyday CoE type than people who are not Christian
That’s the kind of false narrative that people like aaroonh like to portray ,
Report Injera March 22, 2019 5:41 PM GMT
And why the abuse? Are you able to argue without it?

edy - tell me. How are liberal attitudes towards the family unit working out?
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:42 PM GMT
What abuse?

Michelle and Barack Obama as the liberal hellbringers seem a pretty good family to me.
Report Injera March 22, 2019 5:43 PM GMT
I'm guessing edy approves of gender neutral bogs in the girl guides so as not to offend boys who identify as girls.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:43 PM GMT
So this particular topic , and how young children are taught to respect others
Is not really about religion in that sense , that’s were aronh is mistaken
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:46 PM GMT
I remember something curious you said about marriage some time ago btw., which adds to the boundaries thing. It was something like once gay marriage is allowed, men will soon after being allowed to marry the animals they have sex with and stuff. Anything goes and stuff.

I thought it was pretty good to know at the time that you view marriage as a bond between a man and his sex object. Not that it's too uncommon for your generation.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:46 PM GMT
you see it’s not necessarily wise to trust liberals and leftists with our children and how they are taught and what they are taught
no fool would think that
That’s where aaroonh is going wrong
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:48 PM GMT
Stupid liberals who gave women and children rights. Wanted them to not being hit anymore and all that stupid crap.

Really, once that barrier fell that a man wasn't allowed to just smack his kid...all hell broke lose.
Report Injera March 22, 2019 5:49 PM GMT
Marriage is between a man and a woman edy.
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:49 PM GMT
Thankfully, Christian institutions still use violence to break kids down in their care.
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:53 PM GMT

Mar 22, 2019 -- 6:49PM, Injera wrote:


Marriage is between a man and a woman edy.


I believe the law of the land states otherwise. Are you fifth columnist not respecting the laws of your sovereign, secular parliament?

Report edy March 22, 2019 5:55 PM GMT
And I'm hearing the Churches on the British Isles are increasing performing same-sex marriages as well, thank God!
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 5:55 PM GMT
Praise the gaylord!
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:56 PM GMT
Hallelujah I say. The ways of the Lord are mysterious, aren't they? He quite obviously wants gay marriage. Who are we to question his judgement?
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 5:56 PM GMT
Edy i. Britain we have state schools   , have had state schools for 100 years
Those are the schools British children went to
They are and have been run by people who are Christian non Christian Left and tight and liberal whatever
Now I think we know that we can’t trust people just because they are liberals or leftists now can we ?
Report edy March 22, 2019 5:58 PM GMT
Indeed we can and should not trust, or distrust, people on the basis of a mere political or religious affiliation or label.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 6:00 PM GMT
Now it’s possible that Christian parents and Muslim parents are worried about what is being taught in our schools
That’s a natural and fair concern , when they see the record so called liberals in the past
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2019 6:03 PM GMT
So it’s not as simple as aaroonh seems to think it is
Its more nuanced than that , leftists and liberals seem unable to understand that
Report edy March 22, 2019 6:28 PM GMT
Don't hold it against them. They can only be what they are and as leftists, Aaron and others are simply genetically predisposed to be....rather dim in that thing you can barely call a brain in their case. I read it in a book once.
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 6:29 PM GMT
I read that the leftees have small peenises.
Report edy March 22, 2019 6:33 PM GMT
Oh, I wouldn't know about that. I can only confirm that real conservatives like me are basically modern versions of Michelangelo's David, just better equipped. If you know what I mean, baby.
Report the old nanny ;-) March 22, 2019 7:02 PM GMT
Anyone sick to Death of hearing about this Religion who gives a Fook about them ,as for LBGT teachings should not start till Kids are about 11  that is time enough .
Report edy March 22, 2019 7:04 PM GMT
Either way, as is well established, God loves all his children. God created same sex love for a reason. A reason that might be unbeknown to us mere mortals, but a reason nonetheless. As evidenced by nation states and churches alike moving towards embracing gay rights and gay marriage, it is evidently and obviously The Lord's will that dinosaurs stop marginalising that group of God's children if you are open to actually look at God's message instead of insisting on keeping your human-fueled and human-created hatred and animosity.

Insist on going against God's will? Well, you're a heathen that will burn in the eternal flames of hell or not get your virgins, depending on the religion you follow.
Report the old nanny ;-) March 22, 2019 7:05 PM GMT
Lets hope we don't get the Trans mob out Smashing windows ..Some of out Wiggy C0ck friends can be very Violent types .
Report Reynard March 22, 2019 7:19 PM GMT
edy • March 22, 2019 7:04 PM GMT

Blah Blah Blah .......... are you an evangelist preacher ? All this talk about 'God this , God that , God's will' . Seriously , it's the 21st century CrazyCrazy
Report edy March 22, 2019 7:24 PM GMT
While I am sometimes a bit harsh with my words, there's actually nothing fundamentally wrong with being Christian, Muslim etc. even in the 21st century. Certainly not as long as people like Injera or those that this thread is about hold up books with fairytales and legends to justify, to their own conscience and their surroundings, being a really awful human towards fellow, completely innocent children of God.
Report edy March 22, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
*don't hold up books
Report edy March 22, 2019 7:31 PM GMT
and

*to justify, to their own conscience and their surroundings, their inhumane desire and lust to be a really awful human towards fellow, completely innocent children of God.
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 7:33 PM GMT
I think you're saying they're not nice people.
Report Get me a drink March 22, 2019 9:15 PM GMT
I think children can begin to comprehend basic sex and lgbt education from a very young age. Often the opportunity will arise from their own curiosity; such as, "Mommy, where do I come from?" or "Mommy, why are those men holding hands?"

If we give sensible and frank answers to their questions, and don't pass on our prejudices and hang ups, they have the best chance of growing up to be well adjusted adults.
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 10:09 PM GMT
"Mommy, why is that man sticking his dick up another mans arse?"
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2019 10:12 PM GMT
that's my line!
Report mouse muldoon March 22, 2019 10:15 PM GMT
© pecker
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