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These new planes Crashing
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The stab will trim as a matter of course
This was not trim as a matter of course and should have been stopped |
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now unless you can think logically I suggest you be quiet
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what a moron
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From what I've read of how they previously disabled it and saved the plane, it wasn't something as simple as "disable MCAS", a 3rd pilot managed to work out that they should disable the actual motor doing the trim activation NOT disable the software trying to crash the plane. I'm guessing that's not obvious at all and buried in a menu somewhere, given modern cockpits.. If that's the only way to do it, not "disable auto anti stall trim" but "disable a servo motor", that's yet again shocking.
Boeing apparently outsourced a lot of the avionics like this 10 years ago. I wonder how much of that is a factor, 3rd parties who are less invested in the product trying to just meet a specification they've been given from an external source, versus people who are integral to the company who feel part of creating a safe product... |
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i'm of the view he's fishing but is actually a weapons grade throbber and unaware of it
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He takes pleasure in talking nonsense and then sitting back and laughing when people start arguing and taking him seriously. And he is bloody good at that.
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no; he thinks he's good at it but he's just a n0b head
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Wouldn’t like to be in an aircraft if any of you hobininnys were flying and something went wrong
That requires calm and clear and logical thinking and you obviously don’t have the aptitude That’s quite clear , sorry Don’t allow yourselves to believe anything else Read , read what I have said , read it carefully and read it again , and try and understand Anythings possible , I read it somewhere |
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There's no way for you to find out who will be flying your plane. So you'll be clueless about who's flying it, just like you are clueless now. Now that probably doesn't make sense. But try to think abt it with a clear mind. You might get it. Anything possible, I read...
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there's little doubt about what a collosal **** you are lfc, i bet you've read that somewhere before too
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Boeing apparently provide safety features for the Max8 as 'extras' for an additional cost to customers.
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An Indonesian airline has canceled the order of 49 jets that were ordered in 2014. Considering the huge order cycle I am not sure how Boeing will manage cancelations? The order was worth about 5 billion dollars.
Will also be interesting to see how many orders from China had been placed. They aren't usually all that concerned about safety like the western countries but they were quicker to ground the planes than Europe and America. I am wondering if the Chinese use this to their advantage, especially after tariffs and the Huawei arrest. And the fact that America is shamelessly trying tk convince everyone not to use Huawei equipment for 5G. One would need to find out the details about Chinas orders at Boeing because if they are big, China might well deliberately fk Boeing. |
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They're already investigating the ex Boeing employee and Acting Secretary of Defence for switching military orders from the Lockheed Martin F-35 to the less effective Boeing F-15 it's all corrupt.
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F-15 is an old design but good, F35 is mired in scandal for being hugely overpriced and not as good as it was made out to be. Maybe he had a point!
20 years time wouldn't surprise me if drones are doing a huge amount of combat roles. Never mind big expensive ones, I'm talking about swarms of cheap drones being sent to take out AA/Artillery etc. It'll happen, it's just when. Britain is look at that as are obviously other major nations. It's just the Boeing drones will randomly crash and target allied vehicles etc.  |
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Preliminary investigation result = Ethiopa crash had the MCAS system activated.
They really need to be sued and sued hard, it might concentrate minds on making ill though out and stupid (money saving?) safety decisions in the future, that just appear wreckless in retrospect and should have been huge red flags at the time to any competent engineer involved. |
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it seems boeing are continuing to dig the hole .....
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/03/boeing-doubles-down-on-737-max-rejects-need-for-simulator-training.html |
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It's that ISA time of year. I think I'll buy some airbus shares :)
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Think they'll be grounded for quite some time if the latest reports are true.
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yes just checking
This is a massive boost to the European Airbus sales although in a tragic way |
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Boeing in serious trouble. They've got a massive problem regaining any confidence in these planes and the CEO's statement rang hollow in accepting responsibility.
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Did you see they've highlighted a separate, non-related failure in the software, too? What else is still lurking? They could have real problems getting the MAX recertified, let alone getting the public to fly on the thing.
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Only this week the Chinese have ordered 290 A320NEOs and 10 A350s (the govt orders them and then allocates them to airlines).
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China's C919 passenger jet — the country's answer to Boeing's popular 737 single aisle aircraft — is approaching 1,000 orders, the Chinese government-owned jet maker says.
The C919, made by Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China Ltd. (COMAC), has gained 815 orders from 28 customers in China and abroad, COMAC stated after winning its latest order for 30 more jets. The newest buyer is China Huarong Financial Leasing of Beijing, a financial asset manager that orders COMAC regional jets, too. The value of the deals was not disclosed. As COMAC wins more C919 orders, it could undermine Boeing's own sales in China, where Boeing now sells one in three new 737s made in Renton, and where it's also launched a completion center for 737s in a joint venture with COMAC. |
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Too late to buy airbus ISA compatible shares for the ISA year 2018-2019 in March 2019? What a bizarre thing to say, even for chit chat.
I could still buy (more) now if I wanted... |
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I wonder if the Chinese planes have components and technology that are surprisingly similar to counterparts in the west?
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I am sorry i dont know what ISA compatible shares are, what I meant was if you are buying Airbus because you think Boeing will lose orders, you are too late for that. And that Boeing losing orders doesn't necessarily means Airbus wins them.
As for your counterfeit comment, I think people will never get over the china stealing and counterfeiting. I've observed that with Huawei and 5G. People think just because Huawei steals and copies products means their products aren't good when the reality is Europe is resisting american pressure to not install Huawei despite the fact that two european companies offer 5G services. European operators say Huawei's product is better and cheaper while the only thing i've heard from pro nokia and pro ericsson people is that Huawei steals. |
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Nokia and Ericsson people? Are you sending this reply from 2002?
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No JC, 2019. You clearly don't have a clue what these companies do or else you wouldn't have said that.
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Ooooohh hark at her!
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What does that mean?
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Back to original topic ,I think there is still something else we are not being told about the max 8 problems and suspect the issue is something else . Reason i say this this is one if not both of these crashes was after some work had been carried out ,the AOA sensor and pretty sure one of these flights had two AOA sensors which was a manufacturing option ,so there was a problem and there was people trying to rectify issue ,I do not believe the amount of AOA sensors that were reported faulty were faulty .One of these flights is reported to have had AOA sensor/sensors just changed ,Reading between the lines with my thinking head on I think the issue could well be something else or the correct procedure for changing and calibrating the sensors was/is not being followed or is in correct .I do not believe so many sensors could be faulty on such a new craft ,either wrong sensors ,incorrect installation or something along those lines ,when the manufacturer was getting so many bad sensors returned they must have looked into it ? These returned sensors would have been tested ,aircraft stuff is manufactured to space tech standards ,everything is tested to within an milimeter of its life .Is it possible there was upgraded sensors and they were not fitted correctly or not calibrated into the system correctly and the system did not recognise them due to being out of sync with system parameters ? A bit like a body rejecting a new organ ? I think the system would need to bed in a new sensor ,maybe even a learning process ,I wonder if a communication breakdown on the technical side at Boeing is the real reason behind these tragic losses ? Reading about these sensors literally being faulty out of the box and this is a huge red flag .aircraft parts are simply not like that .
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All 737 MAX aeroplanes have two AoA sensors fitted. The problem is that the MCAS software was taking its cues from a single sensor (whether it was left or right changes during each flight) and was not required to provide a cross-check against the other AoA sensor. That this single point of failure was allowed to provide such a catastrophic control input is staggering.
There is some suggestion that a foreign body was at work in the Ethiopian crash as the AoA sensor in use at that particularly time was operating fine until just a few seconds after they became airborne, such as possibly hitting a bird on take-off. In the Lion Air crash, the aeroplane had been generating multiple (and increasing) error messages in its preceding flights (the prescribed engineering work clearing those errors on each occasion before the aeroplane was returned to service), so it's not impossible that there is something else going on. As Boeing confessed in their statement on Thursday, they have already highlighted one other (unrelated) bug in the MAX software which they are already working on fixing. |
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Boeing now admitting they knew the problem
Christ They are IDIOTS |