Chit Chat
These new planes Crashing
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A system can be hacked to act in such a way. The MCAS hardly employs any firewall and up until the software update in 2018 was without any protection at all. It is possible someone hacked the planes.
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thrust is provided by the engine
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more tripe from detraveller
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The engine only provides the necessary electronics to move the wings up or down, depending on whether you need to take off or land. When in the air, the engines can be shut down. Airplanes can glide you know. What in aviation term is known as auto pilot.
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As you say, the techno on these new planes is over-riding the pilots decisions ,and all control is lost
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http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/737MAX_RevA.pdf
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nope, gliding is not auto pilot
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I can assure you detraveller they don't shut the engines down at any time whether in the air or not
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I am not fooled by your lack of knowledge lfc.
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ok
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You give up?
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Jesus this thread has seriously went from intelligent discussion to .. something else, hasn't it.
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When we have two crashes of the same aircraft a new aircraft in such a short time then something is wrong with modern aviation
They seem to be building in potential problems , they are too complex |
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There's just been one crash lfc
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Flaws in the mcas system and problems for the pilots to counteract these when things go wrong
well we will have to wait and see |
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Lion air flight apparently was saved the day before it crashed by an off duty pilot from nosediving. He showed the on duty pilots how to disable the system and saved the plane.
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Almost unbelievable that they are flying an aircraft and don’t know how to or can’t quickly correct a fault like that
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They didn't even know the aeroplane had MCAS fitted because Boeing DIDN'T TELL THEM.
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Obviously some pilots knew so Boeing must have told somebody
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These systems have to be tested , inspected , engineers , testers , pilots must have known it was on the aircraft
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"There's just been one crash lfc"
 2 that I know of  |
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Just can’t get my head around the idea that there would be a fundamental system like this ( or any system ) on an aircraft and the pilots not to know about it, just doesn’t make any sense at all
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Google "Seattle Times Flawed analysis, failed oversight: How Boeing, FAA certified the suspect 737 MAX flight control system"
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Right , for the possibility that some pilots were unaware of this system ( which shouldn’t be the case in any event )
It must mean there was no specific way to disable MCAS , ie a switch in the cockpit , whatever That can’t exist Therefore the means of disabling MCAS must rely on the procedures that pilots would follow naturally if an aircraft started to stall These would be the taught procedures , ie disable auto pilot ( easily done ) and take manual control But the problem with MCAS was that these usual procedures didn’t work And this caused confusion and mayhem So it’s possible the fault lies in not having a stand alone way to disable MCAS ( such as a switch in the cockpit) Which any pilot would have seen and asked what’s this ? And also a breakdown in communication and training between Boeing and some pilots some airlines However all airlines must have known at some level that these aircraft were fitted with MCAS for maintainance purposes etc |
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I give up.
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Just saw your post Latimore will take a look
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“ going against a long Boeing tradition of giving the pilot complete control of the aircraft “
This jumps out right away |
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what jumps out straight away is how you manage to know so little about so much
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Yep can believe pretty much believe everything in that article
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So pilots around the world were notified by Boeing and knew about MCAS
But problems with training , understanding of the system , and fundamental flaws in the system itself And of course money driving decision making both in the case of Boeing and the Airlines |
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* after the first crash
And there had been nothing in the pilots flight schedules What a mess ! |
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News just said the lion crash crew voice recorder showed they were scanning the manual to try and work out how to switch off the system that killed them.
But it wasn't even mentioned in the manual, as Boeing had decided not to put it in. (That's if it's possible and I've not read from a reliable source it is). How Boeing can get away with this without ending up in court .. tempted to see about shorting their share price. |
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if it wasn't a trim runaway problem what else could it be ?
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When an aircraft has stabiliser movement the first thing a pilot should do is stop this movement
The pilots may or may not have thought it was a runaway trim problem but they should have still acted to stop the movement of the stabiliser |
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The stab will routinely trim as a matter of course. It does so to reduce the amount of stick pressure required by the crew.
You have absolutely zero comprehension of what you are talking about and should just be quiet. |