What conspiracy theories do you believe are true?

The one about the far right infiltrating betfair's forum.

Any more?

Who do you think are the "far right" on here, Mouse?

No

Remains to be seen who goes full neo within the next couple of years.

I think they'll shut the forum down soon after that anyway.

JFK

Rudolf Hess

Marilyn Monroe

Roswell

Who do suspect specifically?

I believe the one says JFK shot himself.

Mar 6, 2019 -- 11:35PM, Torquemada wrote:

Who do suspect specifically?

I have extensive files on several, don't worry I'm not reporting anyone but keeping a watching brief for now.

What weapon did JFK shoot himself with?

The UK being a democracy

Keeping secretive extensive files on forum users isn't healthy. You should have the courage of your convictions, name them and get all your suspicions out in the open.

It is the first steps to recovery.

I've already sayed too much.

Mar 6, 2019 -- 11:42PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

The UK being a democracy

Should've put Corporatocracy

It's a sleeping giant.

JFK shot himself with a special edible gun on loan from James Bond, allegedly.

Not at all, Mouse. I have heard that these conspiracy theory obsessions can become all consuming to the detriment if one's well being.

Sharing your fears is a good thing. We're here to help.

2 days celebration on the 29th/30th march then the sleeping giant awakens on April 1st.

3 days, sorry, forgot the 31st

I hope there is enough room on this thread for when terry and make my may arrive

Btw does JFK even count as a conspiracy theory now?

Classified info, Torqy.

JFK is definitely a conspiracy theory (or many). Do you now believe one of the theories is true Hank?

Think he could've got shot from the storm drain

By THE RAT?

I haven't read enough on the subject tbh to have a solid feeling. I just mean that over the years the official account seems to be doubted by a lot more than other events out there. i have been to the area where it happened and if forced to go with one theory I suppose I'd choose the Soviet connection.

As for other conspiracy theories I hate seeing ones like the debunked autism link with vaccines as they effect people right now as opposed to looking back at historical events like JFK.

A conspiracy theory is the fear of a nonexistent conspiracy or the unnecessary assumption of conspiracy when other explanations are more probable. Evidence showing it to be false, or the absence of proof of the conspiracy, is interpreted by believers as evidence of its truth, thus insulating it from refutation.

According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected. Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore "a matter of faith rather than proof".

On a psychological level, studies show Machiavellianism and paranoia are highly correlated with conspiratorial thinking.

None.
Obviously I accept that some incidents have inconsistencies.

I'm of the belief, you understand, that several conspiracy theories have in time come to be seen as truth by most. It interests me, therefore, to see how some are ridiculed on here, even those who disbelieve the official JFK report for example.

The human desire to avoid cognitive dissonance also plays in to the popularity of conspiracy theories.

What conspiracy theories do you believe are true?

Donald Trump is an android controlled by Vladimir Putin.

No, he's just a man controlled by Vladimir Putin.

The Jimmy Savile case stands out for me. I know loads of people (and I'm sure there were many on here too) who ridiculed anybody who said Savile was a heinous paedophile, serial rapist and necrophiliac. Presumably most of those same people have now changed their minds on that score, but it hasn't seemed to change their views about conspiracy theorists.

Melania is an android, I'll give you that.

The JFK conspiracy is interesting but I've never read anything that has been proved.
Certainly loads of stuff that makes you think but nothing concrete imo.

Struggling to think of any that have been proved.

I didn't believe the Jimmy Savile rumours myself BTW.

I think most had heard rumours of JS being a wrong 'un, but I must admit the scale of all that was revealed was truly mind blowing.

How do you define truth?
Therein lies the conundrum that fuels conspiracy theories, one man's truth is another man's lies.

I don't think that was a conspiracy as such.
More a group of people scared to break cover.
I never liked him but didn't have a clue to his behaviour.

Aka. There are lots of conspiracy theories that later turned out to be true, mate. MK Ultra, Project Sunshine, USS Maddox incident, Operation Northwoods proposals. All of those things, and their believers, were ridiculed as the most far fetched nonsense conspiracies at one time. AFAIK they're now all considered to be true by most people. Interestingly, most seem to involve the CIA in some regard - perhaps that should be a clue as to what we should be wary of today?

Another widely ridiculed conspiracy theory once upon a time BTW was that smoking causes cancer.

Will give that first group a look up Torqu. Have never heard of any of them.
I wasn't aware of the cancer link being ridiculed. Ignored and/or doubted yes.

I try to look at most things with an open mind. Even with what I have written above though, like yourself I still find most popular conspiracy theories talked about today to be totally unbelievable and probably nonsense. But it's best I think not to be too dismissive of things like JFK and 911 etc because the conspiracy theorist might be proven correct one day.

Consider this. Just as the rise of the internet has spawned and then fanned the flames of many, many conspiracy theories which are nonsense, it has also allowed some genuine resesrchers and whistleblowers to get the truth out to millions of people where once they could easily be suppressed by those far more powerful.

Some conspiracy theories are true.

The JFK assassination certainly causes concern but the problem is that there exists quite a few different theories.
Like you it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was proved correct.
9/11 is similar but when people start talking about planes not existing or having no passengers etc then I switch off.

Googled those other 4. Will give me something to check out over the next few days.

Have you looked at the anal bomb theory?

Nope I gave that one the bumsrush.

Maybe BITO could look into that.

I haven't looked very deeply into it either.

And therein lies the problem Aka. The more crazy proponents of conspiracy theories like 911 and JFK do the counter argument to the official story no favours. It turns away people like yourself from the whole thing. It shouldn't, but it does and millions feel the same.

Like yourself I would not have believed that high ranking members of the US government would officially propose shooting down a passenger jet full of American citizens just to falsely blame it on another nation to garner support for military action. And yet that is exactly what happened it seems.

Operation Mockingbird is another conspiracy theory that is almost certainly true. The CIA infiltrated main stream media to promote lies for propaganda purposes.

Like yourself I would not have believed that high ranking members of the US government would officially propose shooting down a passenger jet full of American citizens just to falsely blame it on another nation to garner support for military action. And yet that is exactly what happened it seems.

That is more believable than the theories of no/plane/no passengers and etc.
The USS Maddox was a cover up and the conspiracy theorists at the time kept it simple.
Used something that didn't happen to justify entering the Vietnam war as it suited them.
Just watched a 3 minute vid on what happened.

The passenger plane thing wasn't anything to do with 911, Aka. It was a proposal in the 60s called Operation Northwoods.

Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain!

President Kennedy refused to go along with it.

Bear in mind that Operation Northwoods was officially authorised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff! They were all in favour of it. It sounds utterly implausible but it's true. Only President Kennedy personally stopped the US military shooting down and murdering a plane full of innocent American citizens.

I keep that fact in mind before pooh poohing the 911 conspiracy theorists.

You bring up some good points torque, but nowadays you have the Alex Jones lot who will believe anything they hear on that infowars nonsense eg the Clinton pedophile pizzagate thing. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton but that was disgusting.

Yes, Hank, the likes of Alex Jones surely turns more people against conspiracy theorists than he does to support them. I can't stand him.

The danger with people like Alex Jones is that they stop people investigating for the truth. You mention the Pizzagate thing. All that disgusting and unbelievable stuff about Clinton was just that - disgusting and unbelievable. But has all that deflected attention away from a very real peadophile ring in Washington DC? It has happened before - another conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. The Franklin Scandal.

And what about the hacked emailer himself, John Podesta? I personally think he has questions to answer about those emails, but all the MSM seem concerned about is how terrible it is that his emails were hacked from Weiner's laptop. What was all that stuff about cheese and pizza in those messsges? It was all utterly bizarre. Was it code for something? And if so what? If you read the emails, claiming that they were innocently about actual cheese and pizza etc doesn't ring true at all. Something smells rotten with the whole lot to me.

Sorry Torqu I knew that, had a brief read of that on Wiki.
I was only using the 9/11 for comparison with what we call conspiracies today.
I think in those days it was trying to reveal cover ups whilst nowadays its become a money making industry.

Have you read the Podesta emails, Aka?

It is definitely a money making industry for some as you say, Aka. For most probably. But I bet some are just trying to get to the truth.

My phone is about to run out of battery unfortunately. I'll have to go. Cheers everyone.

Were they covered on the Trump thread?
And weren't they shown to be fake?
I don't take a great interest in American politics.

Cheers Torqu catch you - goodnight.

There's no doubt people do conspire (Watergate) and there's things like Iraq WMDs and CIA knowledge of Saudi involvement in 9/11 which were a sort of conspiracy. Sir Jimmy Savile was interviewed once by police and his visit to a children's home in Jersey was reported in the Currant Bun but then disappeared thanks to his lawyers. Savile was more a case of people doing nothing rather than conspiring.

But when the conspiracy involves thousands of people all covering up (moon-landings, twin towers controlled explosions, Jo Cox recently) that it becomes truly risible. People who believe these are sad inadequates who think they know something that makes them special - but it just makes them stupid.

Torque.... You bring up some very interesting posts and offer many points of view which differ from the official narratives.

The key element of any major crime/ situation which you want hidden is to completely manage the mass perception of the event.

If you are going to be able to do that in the first instance you need to know it is going to happen and know exactly when it is going to happen and make sure everything is place for you to do so.

As an individual it is very difficult to undertake the massive time consuming task of unraveling all that you have seen and quantifying it as totally believable. If you have any doubts about the event at all then it may not be all as it seems, however,  who has the time to get the job done properly ?

Not many thats for sure so you have to build up your resources in a manner of who you can actually trust as the amount of total bollox which is out there in the land of youtube and MSM is a total minefield which most would find impossible to work through throughly.

The problem is even when you have done this and enter into dialogue about certain matters there will always be a surplus of contributors who want to knock your views and condemn your sources. That is life !!!

Personally I do what I can to understand viewpoints and test the hypothesis, if it is indeed practical to do so, to enable me to understand the statements.

Not every event is a contrived one. After a while you get a sense to understand  if a mass perception management operation may be taking place.

Apophenia:

Medical definition: In psychology, the perception of connections and meaningfulness in unrelated things. Apophenia can be a normal phenomenon or an abnormal one, as in paranoid schizophrenia when the patient sees ominous patterns where there are none.

One variation is known as Gambler's fallacy
Apophenia is well documented as a rationalization for gambling. Gamblers may imagine that they see patterns in the numbers that appear in lotteries, card games, or roulette wheels. One variation of this is known as the "gambler's fallacy".

If you back horses (and study form or use statistics) as part of your selection process - you are likely suffering from some form of Apophenia (either consciously or subconciously) - either way it explains why there are so many conspiracy theory loons on gambling forums.

There is also some linkage between OCD and the propensity to become a problem gambler. Both irrational compulsions.

If you back horses (and study form or use statistics) as part of your selection process - you are likely suffering from some form of Apophenia


Not sure about this, actually when I'm studying form it often prompts me to think of the following proposition;


There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

DENIAL :

1.3 Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defence mechanism.
‘I was an addict in denial’


Explains why there are so many proponents of a mainstream media narrative on any forum


When you spin a coin there are always 2 possible outcomes

^ The original "The Donald" - only slightly less mad (or senile by then) than the current "The Donald".

John.W.Henry.    07 Mar 19 12:55 
When you spin a coin there are always 2 possible outcomes

On the basis that the forum is hosted by a betting exchange....

So long a I can get 11/10 each of them - happy days!

Mar 7, 2019 -- 12:51PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

If you back horses (and study form or use statistics) as part of your selection process - you are likely suffering from some form of ApopheniaNot sure about this, actually when I'm studying form it often prompts me to think of the following proposition;There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

Some of those known knowns are more meaningful than others and some unknown unknowns are meaningful and connected also some unknowns are known to some which is a known to them and unknown to others.

Exactly, it's all about deciding how much weight to give to the known knowns and how much potential weight to give to the unknown knowns / unknown unknowns. Master that and you have the game cracked.

JWH - I suspect if you saw 11/10 on a coin-flip you would stick it in a trixie with Elvis and the Loch Ness Monster.

But good luck with your betting and however else you like to spend your time.

Mar 7, 2019 -- 1:04PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

Exactly, it's all about deciding how much weight to give to the known knowns and how much potential weight to give to the unknown knowns / unknown unknowns. Master that and you have the game cracked.

Good analogy worth keeping in mind

if you spin a coin it has 2 outcomes or 3 outcomes

one of the outcomes in each case is that it lands on its edge.

Donny - fair point - you can have 10/11 if you like.

You will get 10/11 on here but . we all win anyways

Obviously I have had to shorten both heads and tails now. All the 5/6 has gone, it's 4/5 each of two now.

can i have 4/5 heads with my 2 heeded coin ?

Anywon remember the 3 heeded coin? Charles & Di won side, her maj on t'other.

Donny - I'm afraid I have had to close your account, it was a trading decision. But you are still welcome to play the casino, slots, bingo and arcade.

If you can send me both your great grandparent birth certificates, evidence of your prowess at the 50m breast-stroke and a recently taken photograph of Lord Lucan (plain background, no hats) - we will transfer your remaining funds back to you.

cheers, sounds great, how did you know i am related to lucan?

Just a theory!