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so who's gonna crack first? Farage sat a few down from Juncker thinks it's funny.
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Barnier due up soon
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Barnier worried about no-deal (but doesn't admit it)
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i'm liking this; if she had any gumption she would capitalise
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May has not got the Guts to call their bluff.
In business and in life in general, the one owing the money has the strongest hand. |
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the nutter thinks a 16 vote majority on a wish list will scare the EU into action but obviously the nutter forgot to remember the one thing last week she said would stir the EU into action no deal,was beaten by the same majority,confirming what the EU already knew,mrs may has been threatening them with an empty revolver
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1st TP; the non-binding vote last night is just that, it means nothing, anyway it only crawled over the line by a few votes. I thought it would be 50 or 60 ahead. The EU know that a no-deal scenario is very real; but it's going to take someone better than the nutcase to capitalise
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A good quote i seen,
"The game is over,has been for ages,this is the bizarre spectacle of Britain sitting in the dressing room after the match voting on whether they are going to accept the scoreline or go back out to the opposition and ask them to play again. The opposing team have long since left the stadium." Barnier was correct,the EU are at the wrong end of a blame game, UK walked away from the negotiations in November with what they wanted. Quite rightly the Good Friday agreement is sacrosant,and must be in no shape or form must be compromised. |
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in the eyes of the EU their both non binding
I,m pretty thick but can work out if may gets nothing a rerun of of coopers amendment on the 13th will pass, think someone in EU will twig that don't you |
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if the nutcase gets nothing; then she will just sit & cry and bemoan her lot. Then jump up & say "I tried my best, they are not for turning; it's my present 'baby' or no Brexit!!! Then it is down to the supposed 'leavers' to what they will do; if they vote against the deal then all she has is Labour to help her. I think they will twig that, 1st TP
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Junker thought brexit would have fell apart by now last night will have killed that ides off
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No one has a bloody scooby how this is going to go and anyone who claims to is lying and projecting their own little circle jerk Brexit fantasies on you.
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It's just my opinion; but i sensed a different 'EU' then. They know a no-deal is still active; unlike the remoan junket who keep repeating today that no-deal was voted down last night, including the other nutcase Jezza!
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you've got to look at today as though the cooper amm was passed it was only defeated last night because may begged those on her side who,d have voted for it to give her 2 weeks ,than they can have another vote, the clocks basically stopped for 2 weeks and everyone will return to the positions they held on Friday, her deal voted down and a large majority for no deal, and mp,s taking over maybe a majority for permanent customs union
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if you call mays deal voted for ,then by the same standard no deal was voted down,neither is binding on the EU
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DIFFERENT EU,your confusing yopur opinion with what was said by the EU if anything their position todays is even mo re entrenched than before last night,further to dig out, even if you took the biggest iffffffffffffffffff in the world and considered the EU might be thinking of BACKTRACKING they have till end of march to decide ,doesn't help the nutter who has to come back to the commons on feb 13th
whats she going to have a meaningful vote on her deal or her deal minus the backstop that may or may not be agreed with the EU before the end of march she,ll be a laughing stock again coopers amm will get through and mp,s will take over |
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NO; i am basing my opinion on what content i heard & the tone of it.
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you need your ears syringing
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LOL how the fooooooook can you detect tone when their speaking in a foreign language fed to tv by an interpreter
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i can speak French!
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now rinse your ears and grow up
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NON NON WE IS FINNISH - you read it here first
thank me later at least I have a garage full of bully beef and beer you lot can go and whistle |
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there has not been a single syllable of hope uttered by an eu lip today and anyone who thinks they've seen,heard a chink of light doesn't deserve an opinion,imho your just pretending to hear something to enforce an already intrenched opinion
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one has to be careful when one is using the withdrawal method
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Can we have an itemised bill for the £39bn please?
This figure has been plucked out of thin air, couched in the risible form of a 'divorce bill' not the memebrship fee it actually would be and demanded by the EU. If it's chicken feed to the EU, let's not pay it then. Certainly I have not heard of any EU programmes that have been cancelled or amended to reflect the lack of contribution from the UK in the futute - mind you, with the EU's cavilier approach to audited accounts and budgets, I'm not altogether surprised. |
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The MPs that are pushing to 'rule out' not deal are undermining the UK's hand.
Why are they doing this? Because they want us to stay in the EU. Make no mistake this is what people like Grieves and Cooper actually want. They want to say to the British people 'you are wrong and we are right'. For as long as the deluded remain types wield any power in Westminster the EU is going to cling onto the hope we stay in and keep paying them money for their fancy dinners, limos and vanity projects. This means they will not do any serious negotiations until the last minute when it becomes clear that we are actually leaving on 29th March and they want our money. They better get rid of their complete intransigence and do a deal otherwise there might well be a border in Ireland by default. The UK has moved so far and they have given up absolutely nothing. |
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They can go beyond that date of course ( and so can we )even if we leave in March because nothing changes in regard to trade etc for a couple of years at least
It’s a matter of leaving and then negotiating , it was always the best way |
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Yet more insightful,intelligent and no-nonsense views from one of the best posters on here (IT)
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It’s strange when you think of it the ‘deal’ doesn’t actually amount to anything
Well apart from Britain paying 39 billion |
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someone on here doesn't understand French & reverse gear
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My view is unless you are wealthy with plenty of foreign based earnings, or have one of the few businesses that will benefit from leaving the EU then you are an idiot if you voted for BREXIT. You are particularly stupid if you live in a deprived area like Sunderland and Ebbw Vale that receives handouts or are close to the breadline. The pound is already weaker pushing up the price of necessities. All public services will feel the strain more, from reduced business earnings and tax rake, unemployment will rise as a few businesses move offshore and the health system will suffer more so because it relies on EU workers. Poorer workers will suffer without the protection the EU gives workers (why the vast majority of Labour MPs want to remain, the clueless Labour communist leader excepted). We'll lose some EU immigration, but like the shortage of healthcare workers, they'll be the immigration you least want to lose. We'll still get the muslim wives and the like from the third world who don't speak a word of English and contribute negatively. House prices could fall significantly, which is a good thing, but then we'll all be poorer so in relative terms it might not make much difference. It seems to me that with the deal that is on the table we lose most of the benefits of being in the EU, and gain feck all, (effectively leave but not leave) just to satisfy the Tory pledge, because the reality is that the alternative no deal is much worse.
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CLYDEBANK29
31 Jan 19 10:03 Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 8,491 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blog My view is unless you are wealthy with plenty of foreign based earnings, or have one of the few businesses that will benefit from leaving the EU then you are an idiot if you voted for BREXIT. You are particularly stupid if you live in a deprived area like Sunderland and Ebbw Vale that receives handouts or are close to the breadline. The pound is already weaker pushing up the price of necessities. All public services will feel the strain more, from reduced business earnings and tax rake, unemployment will rise as a few businesses move offshore and the health system will suffer more so because it relies on EU workers. Poorer workers will suffer without the protection the EU gives workers (why the vast majority of Labour MPs want to remain, the clueless Labour communist leader excepted). We'll lose some EU immigration, but like the shortage of healthcare workers, they'll be the immigration you least want to lose. We'll still get the muslim wives and the like from the third world who don't speak a word of English and contribute negatively. House prices could fall significantly, which is a good thing, but then we'll all be poorer so in relative terms it might not make much difference. It seems to me that with the deal that is on the table we lose most of the benefits of being in the EU, and gain feck all, (effectively leave but not leave) just to satisfy the Tory pledge, because the reality is that the alternative no deal is much worse. Let look at this and rip it to shreds... My view is unless you are wealthy with plenty of foreign based earnings, or have one of the few businesses that will benefit from leaving the EU then you are an idiot if you voted for BREXIT. Kicks off with an insult to 52% of the population of our great country. You are particularly stupid if you live in a deprived area like Sunderland and Ebbw Vale that receives handouts or are close to the breadline. Follows it up with an insult against the traditional working class labour voters who have seen wage depression and a scrap for services due to mass uncontrolled immigration of cheap labour. The pound is already weaker pushing up the price of necessities. The pound is weaker due to uncertainty. The more the remainers drag this out the more uncertain things are. All public services will feel the strain more, from reduced business earnings and tax rake, unemployment will rise as a few businesses move offshore and the health system will suffer more so because it relies on EU workers. No evidence this will happen. Why will unemployment rise? We have record employment right now but wages are low and contracts are poor. If we have less unskilled labour coming in this will change. No point on having millions more jobs if they all go to foreign citizens who use our schools, hospitals, roads etc whilst earning less than 30k a year (net takers). Poorer workers will suffer without the protection the EU gives workers (why the vast majority of Labour MPs want to remain, the clueless Labour communist leader excepted). We do not need the EU as a benign dictator to protect British workers. we are capable of doing that ourselves by electing a democratic government to do as we wish. We'll lose some EU immigration, but like the shortage of healthcare workers, they'll be the immigration you least want to lose. Countries like Poland are under represented in the NHS compared to the size of their population here. There is no reason our immigration system cannot allow health workers from everywhere (as it does now) after Brexit. We'll still get the muslim wives and the like from the third world who don't speak a word of English and contribute negatively. Strange comment that has no relevence. House prices could fall significantly, which is a good thing, but then we'll all be poorer so in relative terms it might not make much difference. Would be wonderful news if cost of shelter comes down but to be honest their is little evidence that it will. It seems to me that with the deal that is on the table we lose most of the benefits of being in the EU, and gain feck all, (effectively leave but not leave) just to satisfy the Tory pledge, because the reality is that the alternative no deal is much worse. The deal is only how to withdraw which is not even necessary. We should just leave and then progress with a mutually beneficial trade deal. When you consider the massive trade surplus they have with us they would very much like access to our markets. |
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The EU and the UK will both lose out with a no deal but the UK is getting 4/6 in a no deal scenario and the EU is getting 10/11, so our negotiating position is ridiculously weak. Any amendment gained will be tokenism and amount to nothing.
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Insider Trader most people are intellectually incapable of making a considered judgement. Most of those that are, don't have enough information to make one. It prolly leaves less than 0.1% of the population, some of whom will be only interested in self interest.
It's better to be straight and insulting than pretend otherwise. The pound is not weak due to uncertainty. It's weak because we are leaving the EU, that is why it fell 10% after the vote. You must be thick to think otherwise. Uncertainty is an issue but the main aspect is the chances of a no deal. It won't bounce back with a no deal, it will fall further. If you don't like uncertainty then you don't want a no deal. If trade suffers and it's bound to suffer leaving a trading bloc agreement then employment will follow as will profits and tax take. Business that need to be inside the EU will be forced to relocate. Another no brainer. |
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The Governor of the BofE is the man in the best position to judge economic impact and house prices. I'll take his opinion first. You don't have a considered opinion IT, nor are you anywhere neat the intellect of Mr Carney
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Clyde you have a very short term memory.
Look at the chart from 1791 here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/special-reports/from-5-to-122-the-200-year-journey-of-the-pound-against-the-doll/ It shows until just after the referendum. It is barely a blip on the decline of the pound since around 1937 when it was $5:£1. Since then the UK has been declining due to the gradual move to socialism in this country. The Tories now are more socialist than than post WW2 Labour government who set up the NHS. Nothing wrong with that of course if you like public services but it does have a cost to it. |
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Clyde, Carney's opinion,
I'd rather take race horse tips from Tracksuit Dave |
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CLYDEBANK29
31 Jan 19 10:43 Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 8,494 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blog The Governor of the BofE is the man in the best position to judge economic impact and house prices. I'll take his opinion first. You don't have a considered opinion IT, nor are you anywhere neat the intellect of Mr Carney ^ Haha. Mark Carney has a terrible track record for predictions. He predicted the Brexit vote to leave would lead to a technical recession yet we had growth and a 40 year low in unemployment. The guy may be good at somethings (answers on a postcard please) but his prediction skills are dire. |
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If you are disputing the fact that the pound didn't fall because of the BREXIT vote then anything you say must be considered rubbish.
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