how to get rid of inequality??

Capitalism has pulled most of the world out of poverty.

That is a simple fact. You may choose not to believe it but that does not change facts.

Shab
Nobody has ever paid for that 'pulling out of povety'
World finance is made up of 97% debt.

Its a con trick

I posted this the other day, it needs a repost. Getting rid of "inequality", hard left style:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak

I am not giving up my cow!!!

Politicians work on soundbites.

Remove inequality
Spend more on the NHS
Build houses
End discrimination
Give all kids the same opportunity

It's all very nice but it's just way of getting votes. There will always be someone living in a mansion who plays golf every day and someone else living in a studio flat and works down a sewer.

Even cows aren't all equal:
https://inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/image-1-4.png

Well communism removed inequality...it proved a disaster

If everybody gets the same we remove incentive, worse still communism had to bring in very repressive

laws to remove any initiative at all.

Economies have to be Capitalist, but it must be humane Capitalism, we must ensure those who at the

bottom of society for whatever reason are guaranteed a certain standard of living.


In this socialism does well, although it is a very fine line.


We have a two party system with a right and left orientated parties, which most countries do.

If we move too far to the right, people can vote in the left, or if we move too far to the left people can 

vote in the right.

It is a good a compromise as any, and we can only ever have a compromise, extremes are bad


just my own opinion

The problem with most societies they are too big most people become a small cog in a big machine.
For thousands of years mankind as traded with one another in various forms of capitalism we have basically had to have relied each other, the problem with this is where there is a winner then there must  be loser, in a  world obsessed by cost that means one way or another most people are losers and a very small number of people are winners.
Things are changing and they are changing fast AI and greater automation are going to transform the way we live, now this can be in a good way or it can be in a bad way, it’s your choice which path you choose.
If you choose to live under a capitol system then chances are your livelihood will be decimated by the change, you will become a modern day Oliver Twist.
But there is an alternative way of life that even now is quietly evolving, small groups and communities around the world that are going self sufficient, what I mean by this is they have some land and they use modern methods of farming and they produce their own power and they also have bought enough scrap metal and old pieces of tech in order to make and remake their own goods and items, 3d printers cnc machines and robotic methods.
The Beauty of this way of life is people are no long constantly replenishing commodities then looking for buyer for the finished goods. But the main positive feature of this way of life is the protection from outside world or national events.
These people are not cutting themselves off entirely they will still share and exchange ideas with the rest of mankind.

^^^... I concur

One way that is already happening apparently is to change the tax rules so that the most wealthy emigrate. This has always been effective and it is increasing inequality in Portugal which is inviting the mega rich to move with no tax on their foreign earnings.

It is also true that if you started 100 people on the same salary on the same day with no savings, by the end of 5 years one or two would be millionaires while a few would be bankrupt. Income the same, spending and saving different. You could argue that allowances before tax such as the tax free income allowance, £1000 a year of tax free interest as well as tax free ISAs etc. is increasing inequality but with present interest rates it makes very little difference. The main qualification for becoming a millionaire is to want to be one.

Money, a figment of peoples imagination,(put thier I grant you )figures in a box ,nobody should be cold , hungry.,and don’t get me going on waterlight a fire ,catch fish.... and what with the rain.....life’s simple ,is it not?

There must be some other qualifications sageform?….I want to be a millionaire but I am not one.

I would a nice new BMW conditor, I hope BMW see money as imagination and let me have one for nothing.

Do you think people people would be happy with just a fire and catching, when they see people living in

luxury houses with all mod cons...that would surpise me?


Yes we must have competition I can see that, but also fairness, unfortunately these rather contradict each

other.

Still I was a member of the communist party when I was young....I have come a little to the right since then.

catching fish

catching fish

Why on earth would anyone want to get rid of Inequality ?

Inequality is perfectly normal, natural, healthy and desirable. Long may it continue. Ideally without morons throwing lots of taxpayers money to try and reduce it.

Things that don't have a solution always make for a great political tool. Hence you see the politicians talking about removing inequality most of the times.

Sorry not with you uble ,a car is a car bmw,Ford,Fiat , it does70mph on the motorway,30mph in towns ,how you look in it makes no difference,.i once married a girl from.my town,(face of an angel)... everyone praised me for getting it,...... thing is she was and still is a ****.....

I thought like you when I was younger Conditor.

But not now. Since 1980 I have seen our society grow into a money grabbing monster.

The only way we can ignore this, is by being vey rich ourselves.


I was brought down by the cruelty of others, so I lost everything I had.


I have no way of getting it back, but in todays MONEY is king

todays society

I find those that praise inequality alan2005 are those at the top, not the bottom

Still it is part of our human nature we are all greedy at heart, and all want something for nothing.


I watch Ben Fogle's 'New Lives in the Wild' people who try to escape the rat race.


But I think they all have a little something stashed away somewhere

Alun is having his cake and eating it.

mouse


One thing that did disappoint me. The Banks brought us crashing down in 2008/9.

and yet they have never had to pay it back.


The rest of us have had to pay, through austerity.

I accept we must have capitalism, but things like this give it a very bad name

I think this is the kind of area where we can do something.

The bank crash was a great example. They threaten us with cuts or moving abroad and the government caves in and allows them to carry on as if nothing had happened.

The likes of Amazon and Google are another filthy blot on the landscape. Touting round to cities and governments, asking what they get in return for opening an office there. It's ridiculous. It's where you need a concerted large scale agreement from countries to say "no thanks; you pay your taxes, you pay for your buildings and infrastructure and then we'll allow you to come here". Again though, everyone is just in thrall to capitalism.

The equation is simple, everyone wants the greatest return for the least input.
After all which fool wants to work too hard for little reward? Nobody.

So the stage was made by those who went before who created an environment where unmerited take out can be excused, even lauded under the premis that markets are god. Somebody still has to toil to ‘balance the books’ of all the unmerited profiteering and it’s the stupid who do.

You have little or no choice as capitalism is everywhere and there is never an option to defer, everyone (unless born with silver spoons) has a shackle locked around their throats and actually are forced to buy back their own existence.
Most never achieve it and live miserable lives as each time somebody acts ‘oportunistically’ In pursuit of the wealth required to gain freedom many others get dragged further down as pooling capital in fewer places within finite economies limits what is left for all the rest, making the algorithm of ideology even tougher on certain people.

Whether you subscribe to creationism or evolutionary empiricism the fact remains neither invented money, that was man’s invention that originally stored wealth from crops to trade but ultimately became the vehicle to rob others of their lives and freedom in plain sight.

But fear not because nobody can say they can’t save themselves, the answer has always been known but most chose to be distracted and simply complain when they suffer as a result.’

Reading books is the road to riches (of all varieties) and the journey to erudition at first is baron and hard, but the road is long and ultimately fruitful.

People will get angry when I say it, but you don’t find too many erudite individuals on council estates.

We don’t want to get rid of inequality we have the best of all systems in Britain stop moaning no one is poor in Britain ,
Not a single person , be thankful
Money is the greatest of all inventions it protects you from the overwhelming will of other people , people like dustybin

Lfc you don’t need money.
You could wallow in your ignorance all day long.
Then tell the world all about it.

That’s wrong, I do need money
That’s the point I was trying to make

That’s what is so important about money , you don’t have to worry too much
and in a system such as Britain’s you don’t need to have too much not to have to worry too much ,
That’s beautiful , be thankful

Ofc you do, it was irony. The reason you need it is due to the collective pressure of other people’s desires.

It seems to me the whole structure was built wrong.
Instead of ‘for profit’ organisations stripping value from resources we should have built the opposite.
A mentality where you take as little as required as possible.
After all innovation isn’t spurred on by for profit companies, if it were the motorcar would essentially be exactly the same as it was 100 years ago (give or take a few bells and whistles)

What profiteering actually does is parasite on the back or discovery and discovery more often than not is a collective public enterprise that pushes the boundaries....not claim ownership of assets and leverage them against those without.

*the motorcar wouldn’t be the same

That’s good , I like cars and motorbikes

I don’t know who invented or designed or built them , i didn’t I know that

That’s smashing
As much as I’d love to be intrigued by your enlightenment I have things I want to get done this morning
After all, time is money.

Of course , be thankful

And if you manage to use your time well , and come up with something as beautiful as a Triumph or Yamaha or motorbike
Then you will have didn’t your time well and we will all be thankful and you might become rich
Let’s see ....

No incentive equals no effort.
This is a sound reason to limit benefits for the unproductive.

The idea of some working, while others live off their backs is the worst case of inequality.

What’s wrong with that ?

* sorry that wasn’t a reply to your dr crippen

I agree with that

Only very selfish people would want to do away with inequality

And we have seen the results in the countries that have tried it , or pretended to
No I’m sorry I prefer money

It’s a balance , we have the balance pretty well as good as possible in Britain
look around at other countries
It’s a difficult thing to accomplish ,it’s not guaranteed , try not to destroy it  : (

Life, lfc1971 has it by the balls.

Inequality of opportunity is what needs to be reduced !

EG. : Public school pupils being given easier exams than state educated pupils.

Or 97 year old hereditary monarchs driving about like an idiot and getting away with it

Look at it this way,  no one ever crashes into comrade Putin

He has a chauffeur.....who is not 97.

Anyway, the Royal Family are purely decorative and inconsequential !

I'm off out !

That’s neither here nor there , no one ever crashes into comrade Putin

I like to walk anyway

Why can poor people not have chauffeurs ?
I don’t know , maybe it’s to punish them for being poor

try reading oxfam report 2018 on inequality , go the guardian online you can see it there

I don’t need to read it , no one in Britain is poor

The 26 richest billionaires own more than 50 per cent of the worlds poor

there is poverty of course , in other countries
Now unless those other countries take our good advice , and they don’t
Then nothing will improve , I doubt the guardian mentions that

There is a growing economic theory that giving away a set amount of money would be advantageous to all.
This in essence is very similar to what I have always thought to be the answer that combines the tory view of the 'feckless' and a socialist's version of equality.

If a person gives up at the first sign of difficulty, like many do at school, then few could argue that they perhaps get what they deserve in life.
But that doesnt obviously mean all those without havnt tried all they can, like right wing ideology has us believe.

Its been a long held belief of mine that the raison d'etre of the human isnt simply to be minions or to actively partake in commerce.
Nobody gets the option to 'drop out', but they should. If somebody doesnt want to be part of the assumed norm then they should be allowed to do nothing and survive on a low benefit
And before people start scoffing that they shouldnt be given anything, just think about the amount of money willfuly stolen from the 'top', it doesnt compare.

If you had a 1per cent wealth tax it would raise 325 bilion enough to provide health care and prevent 3 million death s , and provide education for every child not in school

If that was true anxious no one would say it wasn’t a good thing
I doubt it is

As far as I know Bill Gates is giving away most of his wealth and doing those sorts of things
Very good

We have all of us a lot to be thankful to bill gates for
And that’s not only in the poorest countries but in Europe also
He created wealth for all of us

AS Clement alluded to, philanthropy is great, but paying tax is the most important thing.
Its reliance on egotism creating a system that hopes the filthy rich give to needy causes.

Its like Elon Musk being viewed as a decider of who survives, that isnt my idea of a good idea.

The poorest 10 per cent of Britons are paying a higher effective tax rate 49 per cent compared with the richest 10 per cent of britons 34 per cent once vat is taken to account

I don’t mind , millions of people in Britain don’t pay any tax
Millions again of the ‘poorest’ in London don’t pay any tax and don’t pay for housing or education or health etc
It’s ok , we have it pretty good in Britain

As the Existentialist school of philosophy outlines; those that give money away are simply satisfying their own selfish desire.

^ no one likes to be thankful

Thats the whole point.....the argument is that they give to be applauded.

You’re missing the point , if someone helps you say thanks
It’s good manners to do so

Foundations baring the name of the filthy rich....why?
Just give the money if its not about kudos.
They only give money back once the system has royaly provided stupid amounts more than they need.

It’s not about them it’s about you , say  thankyou to someone who helps you
It’s good manners

So equally then if you bow and scrape towards those we equally have the right to lynch those who do wrong?

Well no , that’s against the law in Britain thank goodness
We all do wrong

'to be conscious is to be guilty'
just some far more so than others

Philanthropy is a great way of saving taxes. On top of that it makes you look good. That is not to say that people like Bill Gates aren't good people. But you can have all the goodness in the world and there will still be enough rotten apples to spoil it all with wars and their political agendas. Equality is never happening.

Then there is also the matter of charity foundations existing purely for political benefits. There is so much money given to poorer countries in the name of foreign aid when it is nothing but a way to buy loyalty from the politicians of that particular country. Sometimes distributing the charity amount itself is a business that people will pay heavy amounts to get control of.

Inequality, violence, war, poverty, availability of benefits are great tools for the politicians to play around with. Why would they want to get rid of all these issues? It is the very nature of the general public that they will cry about issues. It is almost impossible to satisfy the public, so why would you give them the cards that you can use to rule them?

you lot aren't getting a penny of my hard earned dosh

I do hope this explains things.

: ) quite right moisok

If you pay your taxes moisok, no one needs your permission to give away your hard earned dosh

can’t make head nor tail of detravellers post
Might well be nonsense

he doesn't even live here so I don't know why he even mentions it
in fact I wonder why he is on here poking his nose in

Like the politicians, when I successfully divert you from talking about the topic to talking about me, I've already won.

But if you have anything more to say, i'm listening.

He’s going to blame Britain again maybe : (

Well, it was quite easy to play with you too. I was expecting more fight, but I guess you guys are getting cleverer.

75 posts since my last one so I have not read them all. To address my point about wanting to be a millionaire, I didn't say that it always works. But if you always spend money as fast as you earn it, you are most unlikely to be one unless you inherit it. In my early days in business, an older colleague whose opinion was widely respected told me that you will not build a big business unless you are prepared to live on half of your income for the first 10 years at least. I never reached a big business because I found a small one quite stressful but my wife and I did live on half our joint income for 10 years. That was back in the 1970's. Once you have enough savings to last for 12 months and no debts life gets easier.

I start to worry when people want to take money off  others?

so basically every politician knowingly lies to us on the subject of inequality as it will never be eradicated.

Nellie I think you only need the first 8 words of that sentence

point taken

Maybe one day I will find the answer to why people expect the politicians to speak the truth in the first place.

Haven't read all the posts either, but when you have 90%+ of the wealth in the hands of 1% of the population then something is drastically wrong. That 1% can effectively run the world to make sure of the status quo, or even put more wealth into their greedy hands at the expense of everyone else.

They are above governments. They effectively own governments and so politicians are mere puppets of theirs, pulling the wool over everyone's eyes pretending you somehow have a say on the direction governments take.

And so no, you will not get equality under the current system. Taxing 'the rich' more will not affect the 1% either. They make sure they're above all that, whatever system of government is in place.

uae v Kyrgyzstan is the way to inequality -  that is why you can never have it equal - coz of barstewards like me

Often wondered who buys a lottery ticket. I FEAR the lower paid buy more tickets but I don't know.

If an MP put forward a bill calling for all prizes of £1m+ to be taxed at 45% there would be meltdown.

I'd be thrilled to win a mill and take home £550k. What a boom to the public sector. Yet no 'socialist' Labour MP would dare suggest such a tax.

"but when you have 90%+ of the wealth in the hands of 1% of the population then something is drastically wrong. "

Starting with totally bollocks made up figures like that.

They lottery is already arguably a bad deal for the ticket buyer and goes to fund projects the state should be funding, bought from tickets that come from income that was taxed already. Why should it be taxed to make it even more sh1t? Do you want your betfair winnings taxed?

that will be the next move - tax your bf winnings tax tax tax ya till yer dead  and it is your fkn money and look what they do

borrow more and drive us deeper in debt

if it were a business you would have sacked the lot of them

If I won £1m+ on BF, yes I'd be happy for it to be taxed. (My losses would still be covered, just )

The lottery lacks any skill, intelligence or ability. The prizes are obscene. Tax anything over a mill.

The lefties think people who work their nuts off earning over £150k should pay 50% tax. Illogical Captian...

The French had an an answer to inequality back in the day

Madame Guillotine.....unfortunately we won't use it because of some trivial

health and society rules, probably

damm

no doubt the top boys at Davos have this under control and are looking out for the peasants

they are wonderful people - these globalists at davos - they had a young one on sky the other day talking from a script like a robot (they love robot)

Just checking, why should the state be funding them? The Lottery is probably bureaucratic in making its awards but not in the same way that Government is. All systems of public spending are a form of crowd funding. They involve either taxes, lotteries/gambling, donations to charity or shareholding There is no such thing as PUBLIC MONEY.