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By:
trilby22
When: 22 Jan 19 14:55
Cheers Bap but it appears Leo has a case of the humpty-dumpties, as well as talking nonsense Laugh

Hey Spotty, someone nicked your you-know-whats? Wink

Ach weel, this piece by the delectable Isabel Oakeshott should cheer him up again … Happy

The row over “racist” abuse of Diane Abbott shows how far Momentum will sink

Let me start by confessing that Diane Abbott made my heart sink long before she opened her mouth on BBC Question Time last week – and she has made it plumb the depths since.

The confected row over the shadow home secretary’s “treatment” on the show showcases all that is rotten about the current Labour leadership, and the warped priorities of deeply unpleasant Momentum activists behind it.

Neither Abbott nor I were thrilled to find ourselves sitting in close proximity on the train north for the recording of the show: nothing personal on my part, but less than ideal for rehearsing lines or taking sensitive telephone calls.

I briefly considered moving to another seat but didn’t want to be rude. There’s an unwritten rule on Question Time that however great their political differences, panellists are nice to each other off-air. After all, we’re all in it together in that bear pit. So I stayed put and went out of my way to be friendly.

By contrast, the shadow home secretary could not be bothered with the most basic civilities. In 15 years at Westminster I’ve rarely seen such bad manners – but that is by the by. Politicians are entitled to be rude, and express their distaste at sitting near me.

It is the faux allegations of racism and sexism towards Abbott on the show that really depress me – and tell us so much about the poisonous culture in sections of the Labour party.

At the heart of the controversy is a bizarre claim that during rehearsals with the audience, presenter Fiona Bruce made an off-the-cuff remark about Abbott’s fling with Jeremy Corbyn decades ago.

I can’t be certain that she didn’t, because I wasn’t in earshot. Nor was Abbott, who is relying on hearsay. However, it seems vanishingly unlikely that the ultra-professional presenter of the Antiques Roadshow would have indulged in any type of inappropriate banter in such an environment moments before the cameras rolled.

The second allegation is that the Question Time team deliberately “whipped up” the audience against Abbott before the show aired. This further stretches credulity. Such an exercise was entirely unnecessary. Labour’s incoherent Brexit policy is enough to challenge even the most loyal Labour supporters. The party leader’s childish refusal to engage in talks with Theresa May about Brexit unless she rules out “no deal” is a further gift and would have been quite enough to set off the audience. A third allegation concerns my suggestion on the show that Labour is “way behind” the Tories in the polls.

As this entirely confected row has dragged on, some Labour type with far too much time on their hands has worked out that Abbott was interrupted significantly more often than other panellists. The best explanation her supporters can come up with for this is racism, sexism or political bias on the part of the BBC.

The truth is much simpler: she talks agonisingly slowly, opening up plenty of opportunities for intervention. And once she starts, she never stops. If we all waited politely for her to finish, nobody else would ever speak.

That the Mirror’s Kevin Maguire should declare without any apparent irony that all this entirely trivial row “puts the public service broadcaster in crisis,” shows just how badly the Labour party has lost its way.

Perhaps if they spent less time pursuing trumped up grievances, and more time coming up with credible policies, they would have some chance of ousting the Tories.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/the-row-over-racist-abuse-of-diane-abbott-shows-how-far-momentum-will-sink/
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Don't forget to check the link for some belting comments Grin
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 15:01
so it never happened  and yet they have attempted to put QT on the back foot and the presenter also.

It is going to be sickening if they allow abbot on ever again as they will be scared to speak to her.

It may backfire badly for abbot, as people will pick on her as part of a back lash.
She or the staffer should never have started this.  It doesn't look good.
By:
Just Checking
When: 22 Jan 19 15:05
Spectator also employs the most wonderful Isabel Hardman (they should do a tasteful "Isobels of the Spectator" calendar :)) AND a guy who isn't afraid to seek and state the Truth, Douglas Murray, plus some other very good journalists. I should start subscribing. God knows in this day and age we need good journalists to be supported. Most of the uselesss b*stards now seem to make a career trawling social media for "outrage"..
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Jan 19 15:14
trilby likes to think he,s in the no,with his finger on the pulse and wants labpour to spend more time on policies,when the common concensus seems to be even tory supporters think labour have the policies but their leader is holding them back, and tories only hope is that labour don't chage their leadership to seemingly centre ground labour people
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 15:14
you are not allowed to mention douglas murray - there will be a meltdown - the devil's.......etc etc etc  ha  haahah
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Jan 19 15:14
trilby likes to think he,s in the no,with his finger on the pulse and wants labpour to spend more time on policies,when the common concensus seems to be even tory supporters think labour have the policies but their leader is holding them back, and tories only hope is that labour don't chage their leadership to seemingly centre ground labour people
By:
impossible123
When: 22 Jan 19 15:19
Once again political correctness has been misappropriated and advantage taken of. Let's hope the BBC do not have her on again until post the next election; she's well-past-it politically.
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 15:28
CULTURAL APPROPRIATION    oh and yes -  it is snowing here
LISTENing to french racing commentary  - it is awful
By:
impossible123
When: 22 Jan 19 15:29
Of course the Tories would like Labour to think Labour have the policies, why? So that Labour would persevere with them, and go down a blind alley that will only lose them the next election; Corbyn is the other liability. And, until the rebel Labour MPs that boycotted their front bench presently staffed with the politically lightweight cronies of Corbyn the Labour Party will be un-electable for many years to come, Brexit or no Brexit.
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 16:35
Impossible your at it again on every thread pretending to be a Labour supporter but non stop waffling and criticism , own up and declare your a lifelong spiv fan then people will believe your drivel at least
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 16:37
Were you King Louis last year on here i wonder ?
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 16:49
So mummy's men tum are behind all this trying to bully bruce and the bbc so they will never question abbot again

I have just seen the bit where oakshott chips in - poor interrupted bullied Dianne immediately tries to interrupt oakshot and then does it again

FACT

a staffer  says - and pants sucks it up ho ho ho

what has happened is people have different views and for once we have seen them fairly open for once and mummy's lot and abbot are sent reeling  and squealing  it is fkn hilarious
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 16:54
I think it was bruce and oakshott doing the bullying  , it was there for everybody to see
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 16:58
no it wasn't

hope this helps

what has happened is there was a shift in audience  and it went badly for abbot

it sure makes a change from the mummy's men tum seeded audience featuring the noise remainers

given the vote you would have thought to have heard a lot more from leavers but it rarely happens

it is as if they filter the audience for leavers but failed this time

and look at the reaction coz it didn't go down well with the other side for once

brilliant
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 16:59
abbot actually tried to interrupt oakshot twice in her short speech
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 17:14
No oakshott started waffling on about labour being behind in the polls which isnt true , and bruce supported this lie , hope this helps
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 17:15
i doubt very much whether leave /remain  or tory /labour can seed any audience , if they can it will only be minimal
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 17:27
dianne has done a lot of damage for the labour vote by adopting this approach - although mummy's men tum shirt's are behind a lot of this
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 17:32
Im not defending abbot she should not be on the tv because she is not fit to be on there , but its nonsense to keep going on about momemtum who have done a lot of good campaigning for Labour so much so that the tories are desperately trying to find an answer to them
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 17:38
when oakshott was talking about no deal in fact abbot had THREE goes to interrupt oakshot
I have just listened to the re run very carefully
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 17:44
Dont they all interrupt each other anyway all the time , its a punch and judy show these days anyway, who gets the biggest cheer seriously who gives a fook
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 17:44
I have seen bruce interrupting and poking her nose in to several of the panel on that show so it is general not specific to abbot

unfortunately dianne is really not up to it anymore, something is wrong

I saw it some time ago and remarked on it and then we found out later

I still think she has issues - sorry to say, and I think it unfair to keep putting her out there
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 17:52
The truth of the matter is that both sides all compete to get on your big tv to boom out their message , with whatever dirty tricks or dirty money they can raise or fund , even online and the digital age has brought in a power struggle on facebook , Instagram etc , you will not see a return to the hustings or debates on tv from yesteryear whatever side you are on
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Jan 19 17:52
as opposed to putting up the likes of the young,eloquent highly educated tory on the politics show who when asked a dozen times to give a yes/no theoretical answer to a question toiday by money expert martin lewis on the politic life today instead give reams and reams of words nothing of which had anything to do with the simple question he was asked,lewis getting exsaperated give up throwing his papers into the air, no good having all the tools if you scared to answer a simple question
By:
moisok
When: 22 Jan 19 17:56
It is ever thus - me - I can't stand just about any of them - they NEVER answer a question EVER - 

we are hovering on trouble for parliamentary democracy.  It does worry me what groups may seize on during and after the brexit discussions.
By:
akabula
When: 22 Jan 19 21:18
Loving that Labour Front Bench banter Trilby. Laugh
By:
trilby22
When: 22 Jan 19 21:32

Jan 22, 2019 -- 3:14PM, 1st time poster wrote:


trilby likes to think he,s in the no,with his finger on the pulse and wants labpour to spend more time on policies,when the common concensus seems to be even tory supporters think labour have the policies but their leader is holding them back, and tories only hope is that labour don't chage their leadership to seemingly centre ground labour people


Wotchutalkinabaart?

Lol, Aka, can't remember where I found it but I remember saving it for future reference Grin

By:
akabula
When: 22 Jan 19 22:38
even tory supporters think labour have the policies but their leader is holding them back

I would doubt that 1stTP.
Agree most think that Corbyn is a liability but Labours policies have been exposed as mainly myth and wishful thinking.
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 22:46
Akabula you are so wrong , next time Jeremy will destroy the Spivs , the youngsters have rejected the the spivs and their lies and trickle down
By:
Just Checking
When: 22 Jan 19 22:47
^^^
Can someone PLEASE give it a new word of the day?
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 22:53
Global elites the Rothschilds the enemy of the peoples ok toryfanboy
By:
akabula
When: 22 Jan 19 23:04
JC just jealous because anxious has a degree in Battology. Wink
By:
akabula
When: 22 Jan 19 23:07
the youngsters have rejected the the spivs

Jeremy "Vote for Labour and we will wipe out all student debt".
So who are the spivs anxious?
By:
anxious
When: 22 Jan 19 23:15
Akabula you have not realised what has occurred , trickle down has been rejected spiv culture is dead 2017 , next time be finished
By:
akabula
When: 22 Jan 19 23:29
Most people not daft enough to vote for a Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell led Labour party.
By:
trilby22
When: 23 Jan 19 06:48
Spivs, lol LaughGrinTongue Out
By:
moisok
When: 23 Jan 19 20:54
I wonder what the guardian would make of this little charmer?   A view of the irish??

https://www.buzz.ie/celebs/azealia-banks-slammed-irish-people-314412
By:
trilby22
When: 24 Jan 19 08:31
She does make a few good points, Mo Wink

Seriously though, back to Oor Di, this from today's Spectator ...

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/in-defence-of-diane-abbott/
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The question I had hoped to pose this week was this: “Do people dislike Diane Abbott because she is black and a woman, or because she is useless?”

But then I worried that we would come to a fairly definitive conclusion a long time before my allotted 1,000 words had been used up. “The latter, I think,” is the response I have heard time and time again, both from Labour supporters and Tories.

For the entire day before Abbott’s appearance on Question Time, in which she thinks she was treated badly on account of the colour of her skin and her gender, my wife had been bouncing around the house in a state of enormous excitement, looking forward to the car crash which would inevitably occur that evening on the TV. It always does with Diane.

I have never heard Kemi Badenoch, the excellent Conservative MP for Saffron Walden, complain that she was victimised for her race and gender by the BBC, for example. Nor Priti Patel. Not all of our judgments devolve from hard-wired prejudice: just occasionally we reach conclusions based on the pristine examination of the evidence before us.

On one point, though, Abbott was right to complain – and it should serve as a warning to the rest of us. Labour is not six points behind in the polls. They are level pegging – and if there were an election tomorrow I suspect they would win handsomely. There is a lot of wishful thinking on the Right.

And so it might well be that one day soon we wake up to a government led by people who despise everything about this country’s history and revere, instead, fascistic foreign maniacs such as Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Hamas. And possess anti-Semitic views which are either ingrained or have been acquired in the hate-filled, paranoiac, conspiracy-theory obsessed ante rooms of the far Left.

This is an extract from Rod Liddle’s column in the forthcoming issue of The Spectator, out Thursday

As always, don't forget to check out the comments WinkLaughWhoops
By:
trilby22
When: 24 Jan 19 08:48
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By:
trilby22
When: 24 Jan 19 09:30
While the Leopard is watching Tsitsipas vs Nadal - unless he's fallen asleep again Wink - I thought I'd update this for tonight's show …

Fiona Bruce presents debate from Winchester. On the panel are the Brexiteer and former Brexit minister who resigned her post over Theresa May's deal, Suella Braverman MP, the shadow secretary of state of housing, John Healey MP, chief leader writer at the Observer and former policy adviser to Ed Miliband, Sonia Sodha, the executive chairman of the communications agency Cicero Group, Iain Anderson, and Express columnist and radio host on the weekday breakfast programme at LBC, Nick Ferrari.
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