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Ok; that was fun now what next?
Ok; that was fun now what next?
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i know they are all linked, moiok. I would still like us to lose our our own money first though
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I am sure we are roughly on the same wave length. There are going to be marvellous opportunities out there - I wish I were a great deal younger.
However - the problems for industry our massive in the future with all the alternative energy/fuel provision for transport etc and some very large companies could suffer with poor planning. The liars tell us the things going wrong are linked to brexit and uncertainty(uncertain of making enough money - they are never happy - but it does have some mileage) However my main point is it will be the larger world markets that will determine which way we are heading. The pound etc - markets also go up and down. etc etc - I am sure I don't need to lecture you on this. I have just put my finger in my pint of beer - doh - nurse is here with my pills |
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I have failed to hold my glass properly hahahahah
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 i've got a fine port in hand and some delicious cheese on a board nearby. Yes world markets usually kick the nuts together for a small loss. You are spot on about the fantasies with brexit for everything wrong to come |
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u fkn snob!!! I actually no how to drink port and it woz in a tall glass with lots of fruit - but not the port you are drinking -
I was learnt it with oporto locals many years ago amazing scenes - I was a young man - and I found white port too SACRILEGE !!! |
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well that's where it started for me, a holiday as child to Portugal & sumptuous slurpings of all things good with dinner
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let's join the tory party - boris is not that far from me for dinner etc
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ah Boris, he was pretty quiet today. He's got his base support (& it's a plenty) but he wouldn't get in my cabinet. I think i'd use him in some other Ambassadorial capacity
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Hornet - I have now officially fallen out with you. Boris is a darling but that bitch got in first argh!!!!!!!!
along with you, has also been crossed off my christmas card list. |
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Middle East peace advisor Bap.
Watched his interview on the Politics Live Special show, not the Boris of old. Seemed subdued. |
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there is only two options left.
crash out or stay. 1 too late for a referendum thats gone now 2 delay brexit.thats gone now ,EU will only delay 29th if the UK agree to stay. 3 general election will not change the rules but they can suspend the withdrawal date until new government is formed but rules remain the same. so its crash out or stay in,if they ask the public they will still be too late with the result. so the only answer is a general election with a referendum vote on the same date and hope the people vote to stay in,then the EU will talk. |
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the law says we leave on the 29th march
hope to have been of help |
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of course they could pull a flanker and say lets have another vote on the theresa deal,may sound crazy but went the realise the other options they just might change their minds by cross party voting,may be worth a punt at 1000/1
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thats called crash out.
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and end up being a third world country that wont pay their debts ,can't see the WTO agreeing a deal with a country like that.
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here is the way i see the betting 4/5 remain,11/10 crash out 1000/1 second vote on theresa's deal
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latest betting
4/5 remain 11/10 crash out SECOND VOTE ON THERESA DEAL 1000/1-800/1-600/1 500/1-350/1,200/1,100/1,66/1,50/1,33/1,20/1,14/1,12/1,10/1,8/1, |
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Mr Bula; spot on! My original thought is Tehran
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if only. The 'elite' including Bercow; will have none of that & will probably push us onto a 2nd ref. Which beggars the question i fell asleep thinking on: Just what is the point? No point in any ref, no point in any 'meaningful'(contradictory word) vote, no point in votes of N/C, no point in voting for anything when it means zilch to the 'elite' The fact that this morning; the ogre is still eating her breakfast in No 10, should not be lost on any citizen of the UK
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What next?
In the short-term nobody knows and you're a liar if you claim you do. In the longer term, I believe we are witnessing an enormous change, probably for the worst, in society. However you voted in the last referendum, Leave or Remain, you have been told you're vote doesn't count. Literally, you have been told that, over the past couple of years by any number of MP's in terms like 'People didn't vote to be worse off.....people voted to curb immigration..... etc. They have, basically, p1ssed down your necks and told you it was raining, playing politics, reducing everything to 'the deal', jockeying for power, either as the Government (Labour) or Leader of the Tory party (Johnson, Gove, Raab, Hunt etc). They've basically done whatever they wanted, bar leaving the EU and told us it was in our interest. The relationship between the electorate - who mandated one thing (yes a very painful, seismic thing therefore one best attacked immediately, to deliver certainty of purpose and direction) and a Parliament that have delivered....well....ummm... - has been irretrevably broken. So we have no fith in our political system or the filth that populate it. Alongside that, we have a loss of faith in the mass-media, to tell us anything approaching the truth. They have colonised language to the point where 'cliff edge', 'crash out', 'no deal' 'extreme right' etc are now accepted lingua franca of the dissemination of news, with any pretence at impartiality thrown out of the window. The BBC are the biggest culprits in this. Buy The Guardian, The European, The Mail or The Sun and you know what you are getting - and that is your prejudices re-enforced. The BBC still maintains it has some degree of impartiality (read it's risible 'Why You Can Trust The BBC' section on its website and then compare it with what they feed you daily), unable to recognise its own connivance in a social engineering project no one signed up to. You lose faith in too many of the big support structures you've (maybe subconciously) believed in all your life and then you really have opened up Pandora's Box. We can see it already. Extremism (not just political but, exacerbaed by social media, the need to take up extreme positions, just to be heard), violence, self-centredness rather than 'collective-centredness' (for want of a better term. Where this ends, I have no idea and you may say this is an over-reaction and I'm wrong and you may be right (in the interests of the balance and moderation I've been hinting at as 'the answer' throughout this, well, it's an essay now really isn't it?) But if I'm thinking this, how many others are too? |
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like i uttered. & what you have correctly distended "What's the point" If we were French, there would be anarchy on the streets this morning. We are not; & we have to listen to the exact same MM that have been telling us for months that if May loses her 'baby' vote by "Around a 100" her position would be untelable & indefinable. She was vanquished by 230 votes & the MM are gobsmacked she's not resigned. Why? she has proven all along to be Narcissus's long lost sister, why didn't they see this coming? I never heard one single report or statement asking "what if" Did they all think she would fall on her sword? Or were they scared to ask the question? The latter for me, i am really disquieted & perturbed at the lack of venom she receives. I live in a world where a club is called a club, & yet the peoples only real chance to question the status quo is wasted on a MM that venerates a despot like May & crucifies a man who has the audacity to touch a womans leg. The most important vote in my, or anyone elses on heres lifetime & which produces the largest vote shellacing in the history of a sitting government & what's she doing today? Pacing bags? well yes, but Flying to Brussels with them. I repeat; what is the point
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I think we can assume that Corbyn's vote of no confidence will fail tonight in which case May will have won 3 votes of confidence of different sorts in the course of a month or so. Not sure what that says myself but Theresa will feel it justifies her carrying on.
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A loss of 230 is no longer considered a loss at this point in time, its just a bump in the road
A loss of 350 wouldn't have made a slight bit of difference either, they've made it all about the backstop and if she gets that from the EU she'll get a deal through And it just goes to show what a show it all is, May with no mandate, no majority, can't get sod all through parliament, yet survives confidence votes left and right Its a joke |
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She wins the confidence vote by about 50 tonight, which will confirm she's not got a pot to p*** in when it comes to having a majority in the voting booth
But she along with the MSM will hail it as a massive boost to her credibility |
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She should actually lose the vote tonight
There more against her than with her at this stage, 650 votes? So she should be losing with a 400-250 vote split (if that is how the voting works?) Yet she'll win 350-300 and its like where have those votes that were against her last night gone A 50 vote win should mean she is forced out but wont be |
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It'll be more like 20. I think all the Tories will vote for her plus the DUP but everybody else will vote no confidence. The only thing May MIGHT be able to get through the Commons is something like Norway which much of the Labour Party and possibly the SNP and Lib Dems would settle for ( assuming the EU would which can't be taken for granted ) but the ERG plus would split the Tory Party on that which is why May won't talk to Corbyn.
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do I detect a hint of panic in some eu spokespersons??? Germany suddenly realising what a no deal could do to them.
Anyway - two years to sort it and nothing fixed. But then they always knew we wouldn't vote for brexit so they were never prepared for it. Now look at the sh!t situation - not that she wanted to leave anyway Off to see her kissing cousins I guess. |
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If you seriously think the EU are panicking wtf do you think we are doing ?
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Mr Spray; just to confirm, when you asked me yesterday who i wanted to sit in power if May went, i did answer you with a name?
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Remind me.
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I said a HINT of panic
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doesn't matter Mr Spray
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The problem the Tories have is that however bad May is it's either her or some other lightweight like Javid or Hunt. Johnson on one side,Rudd on the other would actually lose on a vote of no confidence brought by Labour as a number of Tory MPs (not the same ones)would vote against them.
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I don't think you're overreacting, we're definitely seeing an increasing polarisation of society, fuelled in a large part by the closing down and demonising of thoughts and expressions that don't fit in with a particular way of thinking. I.e the direction the elite want us to take for their sole benefit.
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She's still talking as if the vote is to be voted on
 Who is going to get up and drag her out? |
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You lost the vote last night duck
Are we watching an alternate universe here? whereby things that have happened no longer happened |
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Losing the referendum and subsequently losing the vote by a record margin has clearly had an adverse effect on her mental state .
In any other walk of life she would be assessed and told to go home and rest for an indefinite period of time while a colleague takes over her duties . |
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I say, Corbyn just accused her of "Being in denial" What is the House coming to when the leader of the opposition uses such tone against a screaming hair shirted narcissus of a PM. Words fail me
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