Is Democracy getting stronger or weaker

far weaker; and will become irrelevant sooner rather than later unless a serious change occurs

not sure what either of those incidents have to do with democracy

what i find strange is that for months now, there has been an annoying gathering on or outside Abingdon Green. No mention of anything untoward regarding MPs yet, all of a sudden a group of 'leavers' appears and starts to hassle various females. How many days is it to the vote again?

Baphornet,are you blinkered,please explain why nothing to do with democracy.

Donny i mean,my mistake

Baphorne,when you say hassle im sure if you really look into that sort of stuff im sure you will find the left are winning hands up

democracy

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives


so, what do those incidents have to do with democracy?

All the scum should be cleared from 500 metres around Parliament !

Just a rabble !

Javid ..... Do it !!!!

So why arnt the elected representatives doing the right thing and abiding by the will of the people....17.5 MILLION,

loutish behaviour should not be confused with democracy.

if they wish to make a peaceful protest, fair enough. thats part
of our society but not really democracy.

if they wish to be loutish, then remove them, charge them, make
them understand its not acceptable, but its got nowt to do with
democracy.

All attention seekers !

I agree Donny but Crimes become Law and new laws are frequent today, i agree Laws need to be scrutinised but not on
the back end of anger which seems to be the case now, everyone needs to calm down and reflect...in a marraige breakdown you can see what may become,,,lets not this senario be the case, no man or woman is weaker or stronger than the nextweare all equall...lets not pick on the vunreable, the one we think nay be on our side more than the other

I rest my case My friend The Leopard....every human being is an attention seeker

so the pro brexit supporters were running rampant outside parliament according to this article

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/owen-jones-twitter-video-yellow-jackets-brexit-leave-protest-parliament/

Need a corden before someone gets killed !

james corden ?

Pro brexit protestors run riot...Headlines...someone send me a link..i dont think so, Its called scare mongering

amazing scenes. All the disruption has been previously caused by Steve Bray & his supporters; and i've said many times, even on here "Where are the 'leavers'? Why don't they protst like the French do?" Lo & behold; a week before the vote a few hired anarchists turn up and the MM is all over it. I'd smile but it's too sad for smiles

People need to have pride in themselves and be truthful, honesty is the best virtue

give link in My post SAMOSI

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/owen-jones-twitter-video-yellow-jackets-brexit-leave-protest-parliament/

Baphornet

Listen...i voted leave like you voted remain, we all have our reasons why and i would never feel that your not my friend for voting differently, but unfortunetly 17.5 million people voted to Leave...and i do believe there will be no second peoples vote, and there will be no delays,and there will be no Mays deal, allwe can do is reflect in 3 to 4 years time and see

nellie1970 ..Post only shows people stood round small fire with flag burning

I bet there will be a 2nd referendum and we stay in !

The remainers are ramping up the their campaign !

I will hold you to that Leapord if you dont bottle it

No Leapord, the msm are doing that

msm want to sell papers, adverts

playing both sides to max profits.

i can not find any rampaging brexit supporters so the inews article is complete lies

At least you agree Donny They in it for the money,Mps too,everyone is in it for the financial rewards,if anyone thinks governments, european parliament, ANYONE...come on.. its whos cleverer than who..Fact, if the high iraqi gave a fck we wouldnt be in this mess

we might not have voted same way in ref, but seem to agree on the
mechanics of what is happening to our country.

as you suggest a few years down the road it might be better, but i think
whatever happens there will be long term campaigns and lots of protest
and adverts and papers to be sold.

lets hope they behave themselves!!!

Lets hope they behave themselves!!!
Both Parties are going to be angry and i dont think will ever meet in the middle, only the future will give us all a clearer picture, History isnt a footprint to what Happens in the future,we all want the same, a better future, you can vote remain or vote leave, i think we all want  the same,,,,we need a firm leadership which i think is not there just yet,but from the bottom of my heart i want the best for everyone i always have.

If Britain doesn’t leave the EU or stays basically trapped inside the EU then I won’t take to the streets. I won’t wail or gnash my teeth. I certainly won’t take to insulting my friends, family or fellow citizens who voted ‘Remain’.

Far from it.

I will get on with things and with people.

But I won’t see much point in voting again, because I have been persuaded that at some level I had never expected, and in a way I had never previously seen, the whole thing is stitched up. While members of the public might be allowed to make minor alterations to the composition of our local council, on the really important questions our opinion isn’t wanted and our say doesn’t count.

I’m sure some forumites will say ‘Isn’t that a bit over the top?’. And who knows, maybe they are correct. Perhaps my attitude will change at some crisis point down the road. But the purpose of my saying this is not really to say what I am thinking, but only really to say this: if I am thinking this, what are millions of other people in our country thinking?

And what is not imaginable after disenfranchisement on such a scale?

i've already said on here a while back that i won't be voting again. The result doesn't matter to that fsct. The reason i won't be voting is that i have no confidence in the system anymore. What has happened in the last 2 years has just enforced that opinion. My local MP couldn't run a market stall in Camden. The whole house is a venomous cesspit without any venom. Run by a speaker who wouldn't be lost in Tom Browns Schooldays. Not one single MP in the house could, or should be PM.

cant understand why anybody wants to enforce the will of the people and threatens not to vote again
if it isnt enforced.

its like ordering online and something goes wrong so you stop using online purchases.


it seems like some pre arranged stance given by some bloke on youtube, that folk think sounds
good but in reality is not.

Weaker. Brexit has lifted the curtains and we can see just how little respect our MPS have for the common voter.

Theoretically they are there to serve US. It's quite clear they view it totally the other way round.

Jan 8, 2019 -- 9:05AM, donny osmond wrote:

cant understand why anybody wants to enforce the will of the people and threatens not to vote againif it isnt enforced.its like ordering online and something goes wrong so you stop using online purchases.it seems like some pre arranged stance given by some bloke on youtube, that folk think soundsgood but in reality is not.

Is it?

Seems more like Einsteins definition of insanity - and therefore a perfectly logical course of action

Also the quality of politician seems to be going down. In all parties including the Tories but seriously, the Libs, Labour have had a more dramatic crash in the quality of politician. Labour's front bench are &&&&ing morons, this is widely accepted, look at the respect people had for figures (that I respected) like Ashdown and Kennedy vs the weak hand wringing SJWs the LDs have now. The SNP/Plaid have always been clueless. It's all very depressing.

Labour made a ghastly error 8 years ago when choosing Cain over Abel. They are still paying for it. Abel could have become PM

maybe those that voted for abel will never vote again, or cain voters wouldnt if he didnt win

but would spend hours posting about it on internet

funny old world

are you sniping at me, Donny?

Agree with JC's last point. Reckon it's more that the standard of our Parliamentarians has never been lower. I remember the **** end of Tory rule in the 90s was just about the most corrupt, self serving bunch of crooks ever, always in bed with some lobbying group or industry bloc but at least they were smart.

The current crop have grown up with those as their peers, at who they look to for advice and education. Match that with the increasing inequality from rampant capitalism where the rewards are far higher in private industry rather than public service and you end up with a bunch of second raters taking advice from a bunch of crooks.


And that's how we get to where we are now, as the excellent James Mercer would say.

The reason i won't be voting is that i have no confidence in the system anymore. What has happened in the last 2 years has just enforced that opinion. My local MP couldn't run a market stall in Camden. The whole house is a venomous cesspit without any venom. Run by a speaker who wouldn't be lost in Tom Browns Schooldays. Not one single MP in the house could, or should be PM.

You obviously (just like donny) missed the above

no baph

just following on my train of thought.

i really think folk should continue to vote for what they want, ...sometimes
takes a few goes, and we cant all have what we want.

but cant give up !

life goes on whatever happens just need to keep smilingand after Clemson destroyed Alabama in the college football championship this morning even more reason to smile and i may even hug a SJW snowflake at some point today

YES  -  but will Iraq win today??  (a soccerball competition - asia cup)

some of us may want to change things, donny instead of accepting the staus quo. Some of us are maybe going to even try & change things a little

go get yourself a vegan sausage roll and film yourself throwing it in the bin nellie. Sounds like you can afford it!

don't be silly - they ain't listening - little khan and his 900 elves are though!!!!  ho ho

Another thread which sums up the current mentality which has sadly increased in the last 2-3 years. An MP is quite clearly abused but instead of being concerned at this behaviour the OP decides the MP is at fault and the 'protesters' have done nothing wrong. At least 50 MP's have expressed their concern at how abuse is widening and getting more concerning. Perhaps the OP should be reminded that it wasn't so long ago that an MP was brutally murdered. Very sad how hateful behaviour has become acceptable to many people.

gosh these road sweepers in their vests must be terribly dangerous - I am shocked asparagus -  how many were they threatening to kill

it is outrageous!!!!

do not care about your soccerball competitions Moisok

the very term vegan sausage roll is ridiculous.

that depends weather use wins or knot - then you would care - I do when the money goes in the bank yo ho ho

Weaker..
Chairman of the AfD party in Germany Frank Magnitz battling for his life after being attacked in the street by political activists yesterday.
Party released a statement  calling it a 'black day for democracy in Germany'

sorry nellie, hope I didn't offend you.

one of these dangerous right wing groups did it then sticky

ya no - the ones they keep arresting in the uk they bang on about

absolutely not PP

I'll be interested to see how much sympathy/coverage our leftie media give this German "jo Cox"..
Will the BBC have balloons out?

Jesus that german guy is a mess, worse than I'd expected :( His party have tweeted this picture of him:
Warning this is a little nasty, no worse than you'll see on a TV medical program but be warned has very nasty wound and blood:
https://twitter.com/AfD/status/1082520196038959104/photo/1

HEADLINE CARD ON SKY  --------BREXIT
                              CRISIS

Like an advert!!!  ho ho ho

well i hope Iraq v Vietnam is a bit more entertaining than that garbage they had on the beeb last night Moisok

12 o clock news sky - they have a story about a Moose

and something about a plaice called scot land??

and pictures of a salmon enjoying life

I only want to know if it will NOT be  drawer  - it is all I need - I am one of those 'no drawers' sort of person/people thingy -

no draw  - I lay the draw

Yep, he will be doing well to pull through that.
I was only jokingly saying on another thread that it is hard to tell when approaching a leftie whether they will offer you their hand, scream abuse at you or swing at you with a lump hammer.
The latter seems to have been Herr Magnitz fate.
Many a true word is spoken in jest.

SURELY THIS CANNOT BE TRUE?? Socialists/left wing do not do this - well I don't and I am a card carrying member of over 40 years

Germany: Left-wing violence and extremism on the rise
June 20, 2018

BERLIN (AP) — German security officials say left-wing extremists have become more willing to use violence over the past five years.

Figures released by the domestic intelligence agency BfV on Wednesday show the number of left-wing extremists whom authorities consider potentially violent rose 27 percent from 7,100 to about 9,000 between 2012 and 2017.

The number of violent crimes committed by left-wing extremists rose 88 percent during that period, to 1,648 from 876.

Last year saw a spike in left-wing violence partly due to the G-20 summit in Hamburg. The rise of the far-right Alternative for Germany has also given left-wing extremists a new target in recent years.

BfV chief Hans-Georg Maassen called for more public debate about the need to reject violence as a means of achieving political ends.

LOL Lesley Riddoch the left wing Scottish Nationalist journalist is on Politics Live and is clearly refusing to condem the agressive abuse given out to Farage in Scotland :)

regarding the thread title, and in light of recent posts, are we saying weaker/better since Jo Cox was murdered or before that?

yes I remember that

the farage verbal and other assault(s)

afd assault was in the guardian though.   Nothing on sky except the salmon and a Moose story - guess they are saving the outrage for the 6pm news

Biased BBC as usual. 12 o clock news summary didn't mention the right wing German politican beaten almost to death yet it's been all over the newspapers for hourse. The've spent 15-20 minutes discussing politicians being harrassed etc, the very subject area of the German story, no mention. How can they possibly do that?. It would be 1.01 if say a Democrat politician in the US has been beaten to a pulp and the attacker was likely a Trump supporter, it would be a headline item with much coverage, probably main story!

Sorry 15-20 minutes on the Daily Politics.

sky the same

all about a salmon in a place called scot land -


They have raise the hounds and are making a huge racket about this
ANOTHER CRISIS - deflect us away from the fact that mps no longer listen to people

then on and on with a Labour mp saying the group had threatened violence against soubry

then there is a story about a MOOSE  I do not joke!!!

no half dead german MP story - maybe they are saving up the outrage for the 6pm news

Yip Politics Live managed to discuss intimidation of politicians for more than 20 minutes without once mentioning a right wing politician (who they openly despise) being beaten to a pulp by presumably a left wing or "peaceful" attacker, in Germany, when it's been covered across other media all day so they sure as hell know about it. So stereotpically BBC.