Sweden Was a Paradise, Then You Came

Well I don't think people in any country, really like immigration.

It is only our politicians who want it.

Which of course was shown when people voted for Brexit, and probably the reason people voted for Trump in America.

People like familiarity.

Maybe we need a few to run Chinese, Indians, etc...and our Health Service.

Well I don't think people in any country, really like immigration.

not true Ebul. What people don't like is mass uncontrolled immigration.

I think we mean the same thing, but I stand corrected akabula

It is the large number.

New World Order, innit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

Immigration worked well in this country in the 50s, 60s 70s and 80s.
People came and generally integrated well but thereafter ….

Well did it Akabula?

We originally had a lot of immigration from the British Commonwealth.

The EU migration came later...mainly after 2002.


The trouble is if anyone speaks out against it, they are immediately compared to Adolf Hitler.

I thought that was going a bit far myself.

People were trying to say they felt uncomfortable with so many, they were not asking we reopen concentration camps.

Instruction Book Types surrounded by a Load of Blonde birds ,What could go Wrong ?

We originally had a lot of immigration from the British Commonwealth

And there we have it , a common denominator . A catalyst for integration , maybe ?

And now we have this lot . Absolutely nothing in common so no reason for them to even attempt to integrate . Totally different mindset and agenda from the start !

One could be forgiven for thinking the Dogs of War have been unleashed, imo.

I'm beginning to understand how Red Squirrels must have felt

Bright eyed and bushy tailed?

Greys get shot, minced and fried as a burger in this here neighbourhood

A good speech. Sad to see how things have changed. But he should also have pointed out the alternative, how exactly he thinks he can sustain a welfare state without importing younger people to fund the system? In germany for example, there are 3 working people for every pensioner. In 20 years, there will be one. That is a catalyst for disaster. These countries wouldn't have been able to susain themselves and would easily have been taken over. That's exactly what is happening now. But at least it is being taken over by its own politicians, not someone else. Europe was always going down imo.

Controlled or skilled immigration may sound like a good solution but that's exactly what we have had in both Germany and UK since the 60s when we imported the turks and UK imported subcontinent people. If that had worked, we'd be seeing the benefits now, but we aren't. We are in a bigger hole considering our demographic situation. And we are filling that hole with the new imports. By the way, is there any other solution to this issue other than importing younger skilled workers?

Some may point out that fertility rates are increasing and that Germany for instance has had record levels of fertility rate in the last 50 years. THis is indeed true but these levels are measured considering women with German citizenship. And those aren't always necessarily native Germans. Recent immigration wave has stolen the show but even in the 90s, immigrants were responsible for 35% of the population growth in UK and Germany(40% for sweden)(Even if those immigrants aren't citizens today, their kids most definitely are). Considering the fact that the native population has had lower fertility rates that have only been offset by immigrant fertility rates(Italy for example), my guess is these numbers have only increased. On top of that, you can add the continued illegal immigration and the massive illegal immigration of 2015-17. Where do you think the native fertility rate stands compared to that of the 'immigrants'?

The EU politicians imo see where the future is headed, and its not one with the native population in it. They are just interested in ruling people, they don't give a fk how these people look like. Its only you and me that worry about it, because we are the ones that have to live with them, not the poiticians. It has always been like this. Till now it worked in your favor. From now on it won't.

Yup, the immys of today will be the slaves of tomorrow and us chitchatting now will all be brown bread (dead - for non-speakers of Da Cockney).

@masterplan

detraveller - you raise an important point.  Low birth rates are used by Merkel etc for saying we need immigrants. It's a pretty poor argument or should I say a lie.

Hungary came up with their  “Family Housing Allowance Program,” to encourage local people into marriage and to have more kids.

'In 2015, the government of Hungary announced a major new policy: families would be given generous subsidies to buy or build new homes, and the subsidies would scale up based on their marital status and the number of children they had.' https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-hungary-experiencing-a-policy-induced-baby-boom

The idea you have to bring people in to your nation instead of encouraging your own people to have more children is garbage and Merkel et al know it.

Feminism in the West doesn not help either. Women more and more defined by theor job not by their vital role as Mothers. Also too abortion.

Was the last line an excerpt from "The Manual"?

Good post injera. Also it wasnt long when the population of the world was 3.5billion and we were told it would destroy our planet.

Thankfully the brutal murders of the 2 women in Morocco was just a one off.. Or maybe not...

'Cultural Relativism'. 6 minutes..

https://youtu.be/IUXteUGhh7w 

The baby boomers have had the best of this country along with others in Europe countries. It was good while it lasted.

Injera, offering people money here to breed via child benefit, subsidised housing and and tax credits has seen the Muslim population double every 10 years, it would surely increase if we offer further incentives. We are going to get em one way or another.

akabula
29 Dec 18 22:32
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Immigration worked well in this country in the 50s, 60s 70s and 80s.
People came and generally integrated well but thereafter ….

On reflection I think you are right Akabula

The first waves were from Pakistan and West Indies.
Of course Pakistan were also Muslims, that is why their country was created, but nobody really noticed their religion

Everything was about colour and them taking our jobs and people not wanting them to live near them, which made the problem worse
because it created ghettos.

It has got a lot worse. I can see a few reasons why.

It is our governments who have done this to us,
Labour have encouraged immigration because immigrants vote for them.
Tories, slightly less culpable, like the idea of cheap labour coming in to make us competitive and keep wage costs down.

Apart from Nigel Farage...who is now gone
I fear our governments still want immigrants at heart.

Parties who tried to campaign against immigration were always branded Nazis, Fascists and extremists by our main
parties to ensure nobody voted for them


The Media of all types which influences us greatly has always been on the side of immigration.


Nigel Farage's skill was creating an anti immigration party which could not be labelled extremist.


His pressure caused Cameron to panic and offer us a referendum


At last the people spoke, we don't like immigration.

Too many cultures in one place means some will inevitably collide, as we are now seeing. The people who thought it would all work out are left with their pants down.

Not literally I hope Saddo

But I think you are right

Although it is the immigrants who should adapt to ours, but that is not happening, they want home from home

That works in tiny pockets, we've had 'China Towns'in UK cities for ever, no bother.

Chinese don't go around blowing up people in the name of religion.

Chinatowns put up a few decorations now & again; they don't build Buddhist Temples in every town & city though

or want their own schools - colleges etc

Another issue here I think is, that our society has changed since these immigrants arrived 1950 - on.

This causes problems particularly with the Muslims.

They do everything by the book, as Moisock frequently points out, which was probably quite normal everywhere in circa 700 AD when it

was written

Particularly the way women were treated everywhere, give or take a bit.


But we have given women a lot more freedom since then, we try to remove differences between men and women in our society.

Because Muslims live by the book they find this very hard.

This rightly angers us because our men do like to see themselves as gallant protectors as women, which is the way

I we should really.


Although I do not like to see too much competition between men and women myself, as I fear it will affect males adversely

we will either become too violent or just the opposite too gay, men even want to be women, not ideal.

Perhaps try to look at the good sides of each others culture perhaps, going to be difficult I can see that

You are right Dambuster people should not be blown up in the cause of religion...well civilians anyway.

They can blow our soldiers up if we attack their countries, but only in their countries, Geneva convention here

An ex-Muslim gives a talk at the For Britain National Conference 2018


.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoqGFx6Ig3U&feature=youtu.be

Agreed saddo - the Hungarians have been wise to hang onto their culture. So they can preserve it via incentives to the populace to breed more.

Here it's too late. Neither us not the Swedes were ever asked if we wanted our countries to become like North Africa and the Middle East....

Been sayiong a lot similar myself Ingera
Women today want a career and not have kids till later in life(freezing eggs)
So it is the straying from the traditional family network of the past
Also the Young also want to live life and excess to the internet swipe right/left means
they never go out to meet a long term partner as in the past.

I listened to most of what you posted Bigmo

This women was brought up with very loose Islamic values by a kindly father.

She then married another Muslim and was subjected to the full Muslim experience


One observation I have is where is the LAW in this since some of her experiences struck me as illegal?


In this country CIVIL LAW takes precedence over RELIGIOUS LAW, remember Thomas Beckett.

Women can live the traditional Islamic female role but only by choice, soon do choose this.

Personally I prefer the loose Islamic values as with all religious values. Keep to the spirit not the letter.


We must apply our civil law better, this rules all.

ps

I am sure, or at least hope not all Muslims are quite as bad as this women's husband appeared to be.

I am sure they are not, or is it just wistful thinking????

Islam has no place in any democratic cpuntry.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And there we have it 100%

I agree that it's stupid to brand all Muslims as evil,but my worry is we are not addressing the small minority. Nearly every time it's brought up,the left shout it down as racism.

That is very fair of you Bigomo, I think there are good and bad Muslims.

Before 1990 I had scarcely heard of Islam other to know it was a religion.

Now it seems to be our main topic of converstion, at least on here

Countries that believe in Islam tend to be Theocracies which of course is not Democracy.


Muslims in this country must remember that, we are a DEMOCRACY.

I do feel Islam is being used by all sides for a lot more things than just religion.

At the base it is about power.


Who will win them or us? I think it is open to question, only the future will reveal the result.

I will be dead by then.

Common sense 4/6
Islam 2/1
Christians 7/1

I think there are good and bad Muslims.

The good ones are irrelevant.
We need to keep our eyes on the bad ones.

If you do not follow the instructions, you are trash - you simply have to understand this before going further in any assessment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE

As DrC has posted.

there is only one religion that claims special status over all others
there is only one religion which is offered special protection by the west, a unique protection and free pass not afforded to any other religions
and this same religion is the only one which cannot and will not have its people assimilate into western society.

there is only one religion which is offered special protection by the west,
Platini

Well that should not happen. We are multi faith societies but everybody must abide by one law, which is civil law
If we allow exceptions we create our own problems.
I am not aware Islam is offered special protection.

Good job we do not have Aztec immigrants, they were supposed to tear a living heart out of somebody to celebrate
every sunrise

What special protection is offered?

durex extra safe

the state offers them huge protection

Do they have huge cox?

Well it should not Moisock...unless it is doing it out of fear.

I never thought it was the best idea we ever had to invade the Middle East.

it was a good idea -  do you get it - a good IDEA  - but don't actually do it

wmd was on a rocket 45 mins away 4

#remember

our best risked their lives to find it


someone needs to answer for it

The Americans could always invade the Middle East since they don't have many Muslims

and Trump is not letting any more in if he can help it.

The Americans used the IRA problem to drag us in. They would only stop IRA fund raising if we did what we were told.


Excepting the terrible Guildford Pub bombing I am far from sure we were not better with The IRA than these Muslim terrorists?

Good reply Moisock...only there were none were there.

you all seem to have opinions on the religion/doctrine of the Islamic faith; but what about the agenda? You may think you know the agenda of said faith; but what about the Wests?

BANKERS

WERE WERE SADAMM'S TERRORISTS - another one shoved under the carpet. - I thought he was a supporter of it???

the spelling is shot to bits      WHERE WERE etc

The Americans could always invade the Middle East since they don't have many Muslims

2.8m in the UK and only 3.5m in the USA. Never realised so few in America. I think that equates roughly to 4.5% v 1% of total population.

2.8 m   - you believe that??  near double now

I would think it is double the number nearer 5 million in the uk

6% population in the UK & rising yearly; and that's the ones we actually know about.

I googled and that was the figures given moisok but on reflection I have heard near 5m quoted on QT (I think).

BROWNSHIRT!!!^^

It's alright for you lot but I am first off the top of the car park.

how about the 1 million plus illegals - how many are from my favourite diaspora

the duchess has just snogged the politician

from THE DUCHESS film

charles gray

moisok; you are wasting your time. When a question arises that no one wants to confront; not on here, not even the government of the country, then you have very serious problems,

6% population in the UK & rising yearly; and that's the ones we actually know about.

Watched a programme today and it spoke of people applying for asylum, being refused and appealing the decision just disappearing into the masses because we take them on trust and allow them freedom whilst the appeal is being considered.

many have said I should go back into politics but can you imagine standing up in a Labour ward party meeting and expressing any concern over various issues

I am far too old to campaign - done it many times for Labour and look where it got us

I despise just about anything to do with westminster and the various politicos/civil servants

have you ever taught politics, moisok. Or did you practise them?

I suppose my HUGE advantage would be coming from the LGBTQI  angle and no one could insult me coz they would get blasted with the omophobe transphobe mob   ho ho ho
but would look good in short mini dresses and hi hi heels

an alternative to my good comrade ms abott

homophobe

I remember him Moisock..not watching myself.

Well Religions do have an AGENDA it is to convert everyone else.

They fear if even one person disbelieves then we will all cotton on, actually there is no one there.


Still I think people have a right to Religion as long as it is not used to coerce or harm others.

Christianity has been used like this in the past and so has ISLAM, which may well be continuing to do this?

The Wests attitude seems to be GREED and nothing else. I believe that is this GREED which has caused great harm to the Middle East

over the last 100 years.....I know it is mostly sand...but we realized there was something quite valuable under that sand did we not?

And we had to have it


Who knows what the furture...on we go on the Merry Go Round

unfortunately there is only one quasi political/religion that is powerful and united and aims to dominate

any expressions of domination by any other movement fades into obvlivion in comparison

you will need to embrace

the males in particular are forced to accept the book at a very early age

it is their all and their existence

anything else is of no matter

this country; alongside our allies? the French, lied and betrayed the Arab nations just over 100 years ago. This betrayal is still felt every day in the middle east, because of borders then imposed. It has ingrained hatred of the West in many Arab societies. You don't deal with such hatred by opening your borders

The problem is some people see this as the only alternative to the all consuming greed of the West.

This generally tends to be the poorer countries of the World.

The poor did have an alternative once, Communism, but that has now fallen.

Had a few disastrous failures communism it was not all bad, in my opinion


It is noticeable since the fall of Communism, basically the Soviet Union in the 80's, people

how people have turned to Islam as their only hope to combat the West.


I think the West has to bribe people away from Islam, they no certainty to lose in my opinion.

In their own countries, of course, not here.

this = Islam

true Baphornet

We must admit we have been wrong.

and try to help where we can.

There remains one further problem, I am not bringing that up on this thread, enough is enough


Also very difficult sadly.

One thing the Muslims need is pot in my opinion.( wish it was legal here tbh)

They need to chill out big time the Muslims.

While all the men are relaxing on pot, they let their women do a few things for a change.

Gives them them a bit more to do and get out more, its a winner all round.


I wonder if this post will be shown

Don't take it too seriously moderators please

User Baphornet • December 30, 2018 8:55 PM GMT
6% population in the UK & rising yearly; and that's the ones we actually know about.

6% population in the UK & rising daily; and that's the ones we actually know about.

Immigration office cancelling Xmas leave and sending workers to South East to man the beaches with abacuses

i was trying to be objective, Reynard

you have the Home Secrerary of this country, today a shoty while ago saying this

"There are "no easy answers" to the English Channel migration crisis because many of the factors behind it are "outside our control", Sajid Javid claims.

In his first major intervention since breaking off his holiday to take control of the situation, the Home Secretary says he will not "stand by" and allow "reckless" criminals to exploit vulnerable migrants and put them in "grave danger".

Writing in The Telegraph after talks with his French counterpart, Mr Javid suggests there will be increased surveillance, patrols and action to disrupt criminal gangs to try to tackle the issue."

please take that statement in fully. This is the Home Secretary of this country speaking

oh hold me up!!  don't you realise they are allowed to lie to you - it is in the instruction book

errr look!!! I know something about this - do you know how long the english channel is

do you know how vast amount of water there is

even in moderate conditions a small boat remains hidden behind waves

go to sea in one to get the picture

a boat with 2 ft freeboard is hidden behind behind most of the undulating channel sea state
and westerlies are even more helpful in hiding small stuff - of course depends on local conditions

but that would confuse most of you

Dec 30, 2018 -- 11:16AM, Injera wrote:

detraveller - you raise an important point.  Low birth rates are used by Merkel etc for saying we need immigrants. It's a pretty poor argument or should I say a lie.Hungary came up with their  “Family Housing Allowance Program,” to encourage local people into marriage and to have more kids.'In 2015, the government of Hungary announced a major new policy: families would be given generous subsidies to buy or build new homes, and the subsidies would scale up based on their marital status and the number of children they had.' https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-hungary-experiencing-a-policy-induced-baby-boomThe idea you have to bring people in to your nation instead of encouraging your own people to have more children is garbage and Merkel et al know it.Feminism in the West doesn not help either. Women more and more defined by theor job not by their vital role as Mothers. Also too abortion.

Thanks for pointing out the alternative. I have heard of giving incentives to families for having kids, but I do not see how that can work. As I pointed out, even in the 90s, immigrants were breeding like crazy both in Germany and UK, as well as Sweden(crazier). When you give them incentives on top of that, there is only one group that is going to breed more, the immigrants.

That is because western parents think like this: Ok let's have a little Johnny, but would our current apartment be big enough for him? Would we both have to work to be able to afford Johnny? Would our financial situation do justice to the upbringing that little johnny deserves? etc etc etc. More kids = more mouths to feed.

This is how most immigrants think: Dafuq the govt is giving us more money to have more kids? Lets do this. The future of little Johnny is little Johnny's own problem. More kids = more hands to earn later. In fact if you go to some of the poorest regions, you'll see that the poor ones have more kids because they think they'll be able to earn more as a family later when the kids grow up.

I understand that these incentives are way better than importing completely new people to the country. But then the potential of islamic terrorism and using it to control a whole continent was probably too attractive for the politicians. As I always say, some years down the road, we will be happy to form an army to deal with these people, happily giving up our own freedoms thinking the govt is doing it to protect us. I was made fun of for saying this during the refugee crisis but I don't see how this is not our future.

Dec 30, 2018 -- 9:48PM, Baphornet wrote:

i was trying to be objective, Reynardyou have the Home Secrerary of this country, today a shoty while ago saying this"There are "no easy answers" to the English Channel migration crisis because many of the factors behind it are "outside our control", Sajid Javid claims. In his first major intervention since breaking off his holiday to take control of the situation, the Home Secretary says he will not "stand by" and allow "reckless" criminals to exploit vulnerable migrants and put them in "grave danger".Writing in The Telegraph after talks with his French counterpart, Mr Javid suggests there will be increased surveillance, patrols and action to disrupt criminal gangs to try to tackle the issue."please take that statement in fully. This is the Home Secretary of this country speaking

(Baphornet, this isn't a reply to you, i'm just quoting to use the content of your msg :) )

This is a great example of people reacting only to what they are shown or told, irrespective of the reality. When I tell people its not islam that is out to get you, but your own politicians, I am labelled a muslim apologist. But Sajid javid's comments are a great example of how far away from reality the general public is.

Sajid is laughing his arse off right now by announcing more patrols in the sea. Because he's just convinced the people that migrants come on dinghies when that is not at all the case. You can cross the channel by paying a sufficient amount to any transporter traveling across. And this practice has never been mentioned by any politician or anyone from the public. Because like Sajid just did, he's convinced the public the problem lies somewhere else. And that's how every politician as well as media channel functions.

When people think of illegal migrants, they imagine cramped up people coming in on inflated dinghies. Many have never realized that coming to UK on a student visa after paying a few thousand pounds in fees, and then crossing the channel, losing your passport, and claiming asylum has been the 'VIP route' to European citizenship for at least the last two decades. Even today a person registered with the UKIB(which all students are) can travel to France, lose his passport and the French won't know jackshit where he came from!(even though a fingerprint check with the neighbor will give you all the details). Sajid is indeed laughing at how easy he can divert people's attention, which is what politics is all about. The public is so far away from the reality, it is laughable.

Now you get back to talking about how it says in the book that infidels can be slaughtered and what not...

Some on this thread questioned what I meant by special protection given to the religion of peace.

Where do I start ?

How about last night's stabbings in Manchester? (just one of a spate of stabbings in the last 36 hours)

Despite witness evidence and video evidence of what was shouted during ad after the attack, the authorities are saying "motive is unclear"
or "keeping an open mind about the motive"

Meanwhile the BBC and the rest of the MSM are doing everything they can to avoid pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Its 2019 - and the special protection is growing ever stronger.

Dunno who they're trying to fool by hiding facts such as cultural/religious motive and quoting of scripture .
More worrying is that they clearly believe that they are actually being believed by the majority .

The country is full of fcukwits the majority probably haven't made the connection

How many still believe in GOD or at least use the religion card for their own benefit waboc

All the best, Denzil

And to you Baph