Theresa May

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Now caved in over Gibraltar.

Appeaser May.

Gibraltar's government said: "The deep and unbreakable bonds that bind the United Kingdom and Gibraltar together have not been in any way, and will not be in any way, diluted as a result of our common departure from the EU.
"Brexit will have no effect on the British sovereignty of Gibraltar and the waters that surround it.

Not exactly "caving in"

That's the gibraltar government not May's

That's a statement from the Gibraltar government.
Could be seen as being in defiance of Mays concession to the Spanish.
But the point remains that May gave ground on the issue.

In what way did she cave in with regards to Gibraltar.?

what ground as been conceded aka. The statement from Theresa and Gib gov are saying the same.

Allowing a foreign government to be involved in future talks.
May said this hasn't changed anything. She said the same about the Irish border concession.

The Spanish are now talking about joint sovereignty.

Never going to happen.

Spain needs us more than we need them.

Allowing a foreign government to be involved in future talks.
May said this hasn't changed anything. She said the same about the Irish border concession.

the odious creature needs to be picked up by men in white coats and put in a padded cell before she sells our souls to the devils in bureaucratic suits. The woman is stark raving bonkers

btw, people on twitter are now saying The Falklands will be next. I know that's irrelevant to this problem but the depth of hatred for this PM is getting decidedly dangerous

rhis is from Tom Newton Dunn

So Spain gets its veto on any future EU trade deal for Gibraltar after all - an original A50 demand. HMG opposed this for two years, but concedes defeat at the very last moment. Not an ideal look.

this is what Spain wanted and got! I apologise it's a link but i couldn't c&p it


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759015/HMG_letter_to_the_Secretary-General_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union_on_Article_184.pdf

From The Manchester Pravda for Labour:

"The development gives Spain a veto over Gibraltar benefiting from a future trade and security agreement between Brussels and the British government.

The Spanish leader, Pedro Sánchez, reacted immediately, claiming the UK would now have to open talks on “joint sovereignty” of Gibraltar".

Is May TRYING to appear weak and feeble, like a sort of inverse Queen Elizabeth 1?

Its getting pretty pathetic that she's still allowed to stumble around

Thatcher may have been many things but weak wasn't one of them

May is a bigger bumbling fool than dear old Gordon Brown (who famously said "save the world" ffs)

I'd say the psychology as a remainer is such that she'll bow to anything to get a "deal" across.
The correct response to spain was "Pisso offo".

that's exactly how i see it. She will do just about anything to 'complete the deal' and her name will be consigned to the annals of British Political History. Or am i being sceptical?

she is apparently doing a tour of the UK next week to forge her ideas with the British people. She'd best wear a solid tin hat

Aye, wired up to the mains.

How many mp's are expected to vote against her deal?

lol but who else would the tory fanboys vote for

lickle england maybe ?

Most. Labour have given up on Brexit and just want an excuse to try and force a GE for their own ends, they never shut up about it. The SNP always want to maximise difficulty so they'll be against. Then the Tories are split. Snowballs chance of passing so it's all a waste of time.

If this deal passes it'll be the end of this government, we know Corbyn hates it and if any of his lot vote for it they should be banished from the Labour party imo

Corbyn is our only hope now imo

Corbyn is our only hope now imo

Oh My God !

take away all our opinions and political views; keep an open mind, and please just look at her recent 'performances' sound bites and vocal blabs. Then honestly appraise your own opinion of her state of mind

scandanavian_haven
How many mp's are expected to vote against her deal?

I heard a commentator yesterday say 88 Tory MPs are expected to either vote against the deal or abstain.

She is a basket case.

its all part of a great demeaning plan, to kick the can towards the end of the road for 'No Deal' land

She is of course under huge pressure trying to solve a problem that is virtually impossible to solve, and the entire country is hanging on her.

(that's if of course she IS trying to solve it and not just ****ing it up to get remain by the back door!).

the reason i asked you all to form an opinion is; we had some friends around for dinner the other night and i asked them the same questions. One of the dinner guests is a GP, another has always said she can read body signals like no other, and some other pretty learned folk. By the time the evening finished i'd pretty much convinced all of them that the PM is barking

trying to solve a problem that is virtually impossible to solve

What's virtually impossible about leaving a club of which you no longer wish to remain a member ?

Its like the movie 1408 reynard

Once you check in there's no checking out, you get to play the same 1 hour over and over again

i must be the most stupidest man in the uk but there,s only 2 possible outcomes and both end up in the same place

the deal gets rejected may and really the cabinet whov,e endorsed the deal should go starting the process towards a GE
the deal gets passed and the dup get up from under the bus and remove their support for the government,starting the process toiwards a GE


AS for appealing to the country above the heads of her own mp,s, instead of a nazi style one sided propaganda machine, she if she wanted to involve the public could have either a 2nd reff,general election ,where people can hear the views of both sides

which is exactly what i was thinking. Just what is the point of this road trip? If i was an MP i'd be even more peed off than i am now!

she has more bollox than the rest of the Tory mps put together.they are all cowards none of them has the bottle to challenge her.

agreed; but her "bollox" are empty

May leaving the EU building like

https://media.giphy.com/media/1MlpTZBUnWsSs/giphy.gif

What a joke we have in charge

if one was being entirely honest; you would really believe that the nutcase would much rather be a member of the bureaucrats union, than a sitting PM

just in case the incredibly stupid treason may and her cronies hancock,hind, brokenshire etc are ,listening,

theres never been so much blue water between the 2 main parties in this country, one going to the right one to the left and over 80% of the people voted for them almost equally, the country is as divided  as its ever been in recent times, is she suggesting we have a lab/con coalition in future to bring us together,the woman insults peoples intelligence as if the 100 or so constituents who meet rees mogg or jo Johnson at a xmas fare,xmas lights switch on can change mp,s life long views on the EU,its an insult

she wont even let them vote on it next week

She's going to hold everyone of them to ransom imo, either back it or else type response

The BBC aren't even criticizing this either

Its like the 2nd coming to them

The media aren't even questioning this clown

27 EU heads of state thinks its a good deal for uk says it all really ,be afraid be very afraid

She's the most pathetic leader this country has had and that's saying more than it should

What a disgustingly spineless waste of space she is

This is a tactic to leave it till it is too late and force a vote in favour and panic the pathetic spineless lot in westmonster.
These are people including the civil service have no intention of implementing leave.

I am going to buy an Estonian passport. The Black Friday deal is £2.75 plus 200 Nectar points!

spiteful,rancid London mayor campaign
half hearted scottish reff rescued by gorden browns intervention
project fear losing remain eu reff
strong and stable majority losing GE
project fear witrhdrawl agreement
anyone but Corbyn, future agreement

when was the last time treason may and tory party  ran a positive campaign with a vision for the future, why bother BEEN in power or PM if all you,ve got offer is

its shoite but its our shoiute and its probably better than anyone elses shoite

Too be honest I no longer believe most mps are there for other reasons than representing the people.  I was once very active in the Labour party and have completely lost faith in anyone and anything.
To show you how important I think this farce IS NOT  I now am agonising over the villa game today and going down the card on correct score (for some insurance) and also laying the draw.
Fortunately  (like biscuit brain) I will not be affected by this con job, although I support UK plc.  Unlike biscuit tin who has talked uk business down from day one.

bournemouth v arsenal should be good for a couple of goals too

Juncker its
a good deal for spain
never disagreed with mrs mays stance once

can see treason may slinking under the table

Brexit in one word CAPITULATION,

"half hearted scottish reff rescued by gorden browns intervention"
LOL. Love to see how the snp racists would be handling it now with off the scale austerity and brexit on top of it :)

and I have given up righting proper engerlisch!!! doh!!!

correction

Too be honest I no longer believe most mps are there to represent people.  They are more for supporting their expenses fueled

careers.

"I am going to buy an Estonian passport. The Black Friday deal is £2.75 plus 200 Nectar points!"

That sounds like a total troll comment but probably isn't?!

They were mad for that sort of mad sh1t a few months ago, you might be right.

I've been to Estonia, I thought it was really nice ,, pity about their russian neighbours!

Nov 25, 2018 -- 11:30AM, 1st time poster wrote:

Juncker itsa good deal for spainnever disagreed with mrs mays stance oncecan see treason may slinking under the tableBrexit in one word CAPITULATION,

I prefer to think of it as a " work in progress ".
Happy for us to be getting out of there.
There will always be gripes, from both sides of the deal and getting out is only the  beginning but it's a start.
Come on you guys, a bit of optimism eh?
It is, and will always BE, great to be British.
You know it.
I know it.

In Estonia there is a saying: "Visit Russia, before Russia visits you"! And although it was said in jest, I happen to know indigenous Brits who now have German, Latvian, Lithuanian, Italian passports!

Slicer that's just me and now I have to kill you! :)
Yours

JCon Bourne.

Good luck with killing me, as I am already dead! Hope this helps!

There is much more to occur.  You are being forced to accept the gradual take over of major cities as they fall one by one.  The eu will help to facilitate this with their eu 'residents' recently arrived, as well as the collusion of our incomer loving civil service.  Don't even mention the corrupt political class!!!

Lol Slicer and JC.

She's looking more like this one every day


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46143333

Macron

"access to british water a key point"

Basically translated as "we want 39 billion pounds for trying to leave"

and its the EU "signing off the deal". like what??

Basically we need their approval to even leave in name only?

seriously f****** up tbh

mrs may is very busy so he,s the bits she forgot to mention in her letter

free movement also applies to those working in one eu country and making a living selling etc to the other 26

possibly paying money for years to come when transition is extended


end of ecj except in circumstances when their still involved


reclaim our fishing waters till we might have to sell the fishermen down the road in future talks


not even attempting frictionless trade but as close as the EU gives us
etc,etc

Cant believe what May has done to Northern Ireland.

MRS MAY  is so inept and the cabinet ministers she can force out to defend this deal are so inept she,d be far better holding a vote this week .because after 3 weeks of trying to polish this turd, as usual with treason may it will all fall apart and imo even less mp,s will belikely to vote for it

A bit like Cameron when he visited loads of E.U. countries, came back waving a piece of paper saying "i have got these good terms" When in fact he had nothing..She has got nothing..Bye Bye Mrs May

Dare i mention the "pizza five"?

the EU pundits,reporters etc havnt even got the grace to wait for treason may to land back in blighty before hitting the airwaves to explain that although the backstop was created to placate DUBLIN the 27 will now be using it for horse trading in sorts of area,s fishing,trade,gibralter etc,etc, much as I have no time for boris exactly as he said they,d do in his speech yesterday,
the  more you hear,read from the EU side of the argument treason may and olly robins can only have signed up to this in the hope it ends up with us leaving the EU, AS with Cameron offering the reff in the 1st place they,ll probably be as gobsmacked ,shocked if mp,s vote it through,

the usual tory mantra at GE,S of they have to clear up the mess left  by labour will be kept in the box at the next GE, ME THINKS

I thought it was the brexiteers who were accused of being emotional and promising outrageous benefits.

So exactly what is our damp eyed pm doing then - talk about emotional black mail

Nov 25, 2018 -- 2:30PM, 1st time poster wrote:

MRS MAY

1tp,
it's brexit and it's a start.

It's not really is it.

macron,spain and co already saying ,tweeting that fishing, gibralter will all be oin the table if the uk want to get out of the customs union and avoid the backstop, can see 500 mp,s voting this down by the time all the dirty washing is washed out in public over the next 3 weeks

I still say it's a start and ultimately, hopefully, maybe, our government in the not too distant future, if they shut up shop, WILL, say " screw you and bye bye".

ericster already falling for the old hags propaganda.Lets hope the rest of the British public aren't quite so gullible.

By the end of the 3 weeks we'll find out we aren't leaving full stop and having to pay 40 billion for the bare cheek of trying to leave

That's our fine for being dirty

I hope you're wrong 22. We'll see.

liked this one

in the beginning mrs may had all the CARDS but held them the wrong way round ,whilst she sat there admiring the pretty patterns,the EU SAID THANKS VERY MUCH

I am still baffled

When do we get to control immigration from the EU?

We wont ever, they can all get to Ireland and walk into NI, it wont be any different. Its all smoke and mirrors.

Citizens’ rights
The deal safeguards the rights for more than 3 million EU citizens in the UK, and over 1 million UK nationals in EU countries to stay and continue their current activities in the place in which they have made their home. Theresa May had sought to limit the scope of the deal to those who arrived in the UK before 29 March 2019, but she lost out. All those arriving to live in the UK at any point up until the end of the transition period, which could last until the end of 2022 should it be extended, will enjoy the rights that EU nationals have today to make Britain their home, to live, work and study.

I assume this where this is addressed.

Anybody can come into the UK up until end of 2022, that could be a lot of people.

Anyone crossing the border from S.Ireland to the UK should be subject to this.

If not they are illegals, and if caught sent back to where they came from.

If I understand this right.

TR letter

“When I became your prime minister, the United Kingdom had just voted to leave the European Union.

“From my first day in the job, I knew I had a clear mission before me – a duty to fulfil on your behalf: to honour the result of the referendum and secure a brighter future for our country by negotiating a good Brexit deal with the EU.

“Throughout the long and complex negotiations that have taken place over the last year and a half, I have never lost sight of that duty.

“Today, I am in Brussels with the firm intention of agreeing a Brexit deal with the leaders of the other 27 EU nations.

“It will be a deal that is in our national interest – one that works for our whole country and all of our people, whether you voted ‘Leave’ or ‘Remain’.

“It will honour the result of the referendum.

“We will take back control of our borders, by putting an end to the free movement of people once and for all.

“Instead of an immigration system based on where a person comes from, we will build one based on the skills and talents a person has to offer.”

I cannot believe what is happening with the full support of the british media.

I can now see why the Sentilenese  tribe in the Indian Ocean

Fire a volley of arrows at anyone they don't want

It is a far simpler than what we are trying to do

Ah yes; i was going to start a topic about this so thanks for mentioning it, IS

i suppose everyone has seen the way the Daily Express & Daily Mail 'suddenly' changed their tack in the last month or so? How many knighthoods or Lordships did that cost the nutjob? Now as she has this idea of brainwashing the public to her manaiacal whims starting tomorrow; what's the odds on the great british mainsteeam media giving her their full support? Keep an eye on the beeb, Sky, and other bribable institutions the coming weeks

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What happens if it is voted down?

Who knows. The lunatic is touring the land selling a turd to the public in the hope they'll pressure their MP to go with it

She has negotiated very poorly and the European bigwigs have taken her and the UK to the cleaners.

That about sums it up macca, remain or brexiteer, she has had her backside served to her and as shown today, all 27 leaders could not wait to sign this deal any quicker, done and dusted in 36 minutes lol.