Marine who converted to Islam.

Reports that some small American network has photos.

it maybe nonsense, the issue here is, the chap had reported mental problems, but was to allowed to own a gun.......

Only seen the headlines so far, but ex Marine goes on rampage - is it not likely that he was untreated for PTSD? despite what both parties try to say over there the vets are brought to the fore for political argument but are still treated pretty poorly eg mental health after service.

Any links to him being g a muslim, otherwise it's desperate stuff again as all the evidence says other wise - here is a post from his facebook page minutes before the shooting just to add to that:

"I hope people call me insane... (laughing emojis).. wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'.. or 'keep you in my thoughts'... every time... and wonder why these keep happening..."

There may be pics of him in vaguely islamic clothes which i s'pose in your weird little world makes him a member of isis, though he seems to have only spent about 6 months in Afghanistan and the rest in Japan and Hawaii  both not really known as hotbeds of Islam.

Re the treatment of soldiers - this country has a long a proud tradition of discarding it's soldiers when not needed any more. The  dead soldiers in the first great War (waterloo etc) had their teeth  ripped from their mouths to supply dentures to Brits back home and many of those who returned sold their teeth to souvenir hunters (amongst many other things) only a few years after and that's not even mentioning those who returned from the battle of Belnheim - things haven't changed since.

Under the rules of Chit Chat is it credible to be a killer with mental health issues if you're white but not black?

It has nothing to do with Islam, but this time it is true!!!

it maybe nonsense, the issue here is, the chap had reported mental problems, but was to allowed to own a gun.......


That is not really the issue I'm afraid.

There are several issues but perhaps one of the biggest is the NRA who will not allow any of the Congressmen on their pay roll to vote for any gun law legislation. Any new law for them would be the tip of the wedge and they think the flood gates would open.

The second problem is the Congressmen and women who take the NRA Dollar.

There is a movement going to promote politician's who are not NRA bank rolled. This will be slow but maybe the only solution.

Another major issue is American culture and history. The country was made by men with guns. I cannot see them becoming a civilised society in relation to gun law and control. There are too many guns and too many die hards who would resist the changes needed. The are also too many guns in the wrong hands so how does that issue get dealt with.

Americans just have to accept the carnage will continue and hope they or their loved ones are not amongst the victims.

I think some better form of licensing and mental health checks would help and a ban on assault rifles but it really is a sad situation without many credible solutions.

I am not a fan of country and western music but they have been getting it bad recently.

No one think this is Strange ?  You have a man Armed Like an Army ,randomly attacking People in Las Vegas, for No apparent reason ,then People who were involved in that attack are randomly attacked by an Ex marine for no apparent reason, in California  , One of them being Killed .. Summat Wrong imo

What are the odds of a group of the  same people ending up in Two mass shootings ? Must run into Billions ?

What are the odds of a group of the  same people ending up in Two mass shootings

What, the odds on a country and western fan from Cal going to the biggest country and western festival in Vegas  and then spending their evenings in a country and western bar in their home town? Yep, you're right must be billions to one.....let me guess they are both false flags aren'lt they? You'd better get used to it as these things are going to be monthly at best from now on in all prob and there are going ti be lots caught up in them, but please do carry on in that conspiracy laden nonsense you call life.

The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,000 x 110,000    12321000000   

Wtf has what Kind of Music the People Like got to do with it ?  

Oh and BTW I don't do conspiracy....

It would not be the First time A group of People were attacked in order to Just target someone among them ...

But the Shooters ending up Dead does not Add up in that Respects ..

are you saying they diedin one mass shooting, came back to life and were killed in another mass shooting

as that seems to be the odds you are suggesting




that would be very rare

you will need to change your odds calculation in that case

Someone wins the lottery  every few weeks. Odds are 45 million to 1.

if you look at yesterdays footy scores on flashscores and write down the odds of each score
then the odds of that exact set of results is so great that it exceeds any possible possibility
anybody can think of, yet they occured, because there has to be an outcome.

Another Country music venue gun attack, the last one was dropped very quickly by the msn considering the sheer scale of casualties. Most people going to these shows will be white and will be presumed to be Repblican in nature.

especially as over 20,000 people from all over the U.S were at the Harvest festival in Vegas............

Yeah, cos it's like a really successful policy and working so very well - i don't know why there isn't one of these obvious false flag events every week. They move the gun control debate way up the list of things U.S politicians have on their 'to do' list as it looks like it could get passed any day now  (mind you according to Trump he can end any constitutional amendment by the stroke of his pen). Banning guns will have zero effect as there are something like 300m legally held guns and Trump has been incredibly bad for small arms manufacturers as sales have plummeted - unlike when Dems are pres as, for some weird reason, a certain type of gun owner (the type that usually does these shootings weirdly enough) feels the need to re-arm when the dems (especially a black one) are presidents.