Brexit (if 2nd referendum)

Personally, for someone who voted 'no' I'd vote 'yes' because I'm sick of the arrogance and disdain shown by the EU negotiators to British voters; they behave in a pompous and disparaging manner to their British counterparts including Prime Minister May.

'If voting changed anything they'd abolish it'. I don't think they'll ever trust us with a big decision again.

I think those who did not take part were either too lazy to vote or did not have the slightest interest at all. And even if they did their votes would probably cancel themselves out. 

I firmly believe whether one agrees with 'Brexit' or not one must still exercise one's vote (just vote accordingly) to legitimise democracy.

I would vote yes again
But think if there is another referendum, the result will be no, people have been sufficiently frightened.

Don't see how we can have another vote without betraying democracy??????

The EU is a sick puppy infested with fleas (of the human kind), and newish members that produced next to nothing economically eg Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Slovenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Even Italy and Portugal are on the decline. Maybe The UK could be a guest member of USMCA, ASEAN, or AUSFTA.

aaron banks says he would vote remain now,

who would trust that?

impossible/crystal - can I ask for any direct examples of this arrogance and disdain. Genuinely interested in actual examples rather than our politicians or press constantly inferring the case.

From the initial question, I'm a remainer who would still remain - the EU were always going to make it hugely problematic to leave to deter other countries from doing the same - they're simply acting in their own best interests (as we are). No issue with their behaviour here (whether it's been blown up in the press or not). If germany had left instead of us, we would be encouraging our politicians to screw them into the floor on the terms of their exit

Disagree with father maguire , if Germany had been first to leave Britain would have not put any obstacles in their way and instead would have been happy to negotiate a simple trade deal and got on with things sensibly

Do we even know what the question on the ballot paper will be?

It was very straightforward last time (Google it to get the exact wording), yet somehow we've been told we didn't understand what we were voting for in a binary question.

If it happens again, it'll be the biggest clusterfk imaginable.

There' will be all sorts of issues surrounding how many options we have, the wording of those options, the potential for splitting of either 'sides' vote - and if we didn't know what we were voting for last time, then sure as God made little green apples, we won't know this time ('Return to the EU? - Sure but assuming Article 50 can be revoked, it won't be on old terms. The UK has been a perpetual thorn in the side of the EU so you can be t your life the terms of return would be punitive - my guess is adopting the Euro as our currency for starters).

....and of course, any return to membership of the EU is NOT a return to the status quo. We would be aligning ourselves fully with 'the country (sorry, 'Empire') of Europe' and all that entails

No point in a second referendum.

If May, big business, the banks, the majority of MPs and the civil service want us to remain in the EU they should just cancel A50 and do it. They need to admit they do not trust the people to make the decision and remove the illusion of democracy in the UK.

If there is a second ref and the 'people' vote to leave again we will be back to square one with all the above still trying to stop it or water it down.

If there is a second ref and the 'people' vote to remain Brexit will be cancelled but the leavers will ask for a third vote to decide it.

I reckon there will be a clamour further down the line for us to re-join but that will be a separate matter and I'd imagine neither May nor Corbyn would be leading their parties by then.

If a second referendum was announced, there would be anarchy, the government have been warned about this.

Fair enough P or P. I think there's nothing more fundamental to the whole issue than what it says on the ballot paper, personally.

Given most politicians are lazy (not to mention venal and grasping) I'd say you are probably correct. A second referendum would be an easy option for everyone, rather than them actually having to deliver what has already been mandated.

Of course, we then get into the territory I outlined previously, so far from dealing with the schisms in our society, this will exacerbate them still further - another issue that Remainers never address in their push for a second (well, third) referendum

Wallflower
05 Nov 18 02:34
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There may or may not be another referendum - I dont care either way.

Though a lot of rubbish written and spoken about a second referendum being undemocratic.

I still think it is. People were told they would offered one referendum, in which to decide whether we leave the eu or remain in the eu.

Not a series of referendums until people voted the way the government wants.

If the Government thought it was that bad to leave , they not have held a referendum in the first place!

I believe to think that most people who voted to leave voted so without knowing the consequences, and were hoodwinked by Boris's claim £350m per week re-routed our way was bunkum, and totally disrespectful to those who voted after careful consideration and thought - the majority were voting for self-autonomy, and not some faceless un-elected bureaucrats dishing out laws onto us usually to facilitate their own aims; those whose country's economies matched that of a principality eg Tusk and Juncker. As for the youngsters they could not care less with other democratic decision making events eg General Election, so why now? Also, they were probably in-bed despite being savvy with modern day PDAs.

I've been incensed and appalled by the treatment of our negotiators by their European counterparts (I do not even EU representatives given their lack of gravitas and experience/shame no Merkel); the EU were taking advantage of our disjointed team courtesy of defections and lack of support from within Britain eg Boris (talk, talk, talk and then scuppered to feather his own nest - not the country), Dominic Green (encase in private faux pas), etc.

There is no need for a 2nd Referendum - if so maybe a 3rd, and a 4th,...no ending; the country has spoken, and any who do not accept or agree with the vote could seek pastures new, and no one will hold it against them. Just get on with it,..if experiencing pain for a few years sobeit as I've not seen meaningful financial and economic decisions/inducements for Britain to remain; the annual membership remuneration to The EU has been colossal too.

I cannot see this ending given the status of the newbies members.

party that should read

I genuinely think the brexiteers are now hoping it falls apart and we stay in. Really do. It's a mess. It was always going to be bad but it's been mismanaged so it is even worse and it is publically terrible. They've finally gotten round to experts forensically examining the impacts and every one says it's a potential disaster.

If it comes to pass Farage, Banks, Johnson etc are tainted forever as selling us down the river to disaster.


If it collapses now though they can deflect the blame on to May/the EU/Remainers etc and still say it would have been great without ever being able to be proven wrong.