IT - you keep changing the crux of the issue to suit your pre-conceived biases. That's the crux of the issue. You clearly don't care about the welfare of children. Otherwise you'd be banging on Yaxley-Lennon's door and asking why he isn't outside other courts where other people are being tried.

Now you're just shifting it on to the community. It's simply the next stage. How do we demonise an entire religion for the actions of a few?


Rey, rey, rey...

So, you only care about child abuse if it's gang related or if it's by a non-indigenous person.

No , it just so happens that this is the subject of this thread ................. It may be the subject but the point of the thread was to have a pop at those criticising others for profiteering from this abuse. By their warped logic shining a light on this profiteering was tantamount to defending the abusers. Robert Downey Junior rolling eye gif needed here.

You call them evil but don't care enough to discuss them when they're in the news

I would be happy to on the relevant thread .................. There's never a relevant thread. That's my whole point. I mean, I can search and see if you've bothered to start one if you like. I'm pretty sure though that I'll find you've never been remotely bothered to do so.

Your comment about "importing" them is the clincher. It's all about the agenda.

No agenda . There is no disputing the fact that those of pakistani-muslim descent are NOT indigenous and therefore , by definition , they have been imported and at a greater rate in recent years . Don't know where to start with this one. You're saying there's no agenda and then spell out your agenda. Bravo!

Can you imagine the respose of the political elitists if it was white men targating asian girls

Look at last weeks media meltdown over an old man VERBALLY abusing a black woman.. all over the TV.. major story in newspapers.. HOW MUCH COVERAGE WILL THIS GET... FCUK ALL

PorcupineorPineapple • October 29, 2018 6:14 PM GMT

You're saying there's no agenda and then spell out your agenda. Bravo!

I didn't spell out any agenda , simply stated a well documented fact that is at the heart of the issue .

Still waiting re: 3.05 post ..........

what's this one all about hmmmmm??  bbc??

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-victims-named-bbc-journalist-arif-ansari-asian-network-anonymity-a8579476.html

There are actually muslim scholars in UK universities who consider it more important about the response to these groomers who get CAUGHT.   It is as if the danger to the community is more important than examining the causes of these crimes.  I kid you not - I have read the treatise.  It is quite frightening when you see the message being delivered.  Less about the crime more about the reaction to it.

Don't think the word 'consent' exists in Islam

ps. 3.05 post ?

Porcupine

The reason TR is not interested in going after “the church or after middle aged white divorcees suddenly re-locating to Cambodia” is quite simply because those particular forms of wrongdoing don’t pose a cogent existential threat to the continued existence of liberal western democracy. Islam does, and this particular strain of paedophilia has ideological justification with the doctrines of Islam. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

was anything about this on the news tonight ?

Lux, fair play on a devent answer. I'd counter that there isn't really a justifivation as otherwise they'd all be at it. Most muslims are the same as the rest of us, want to get by, raise a family, see their kids do better than them etc.

The fact that some sickos try to find justification doesnt mean it exists. Paedos often try to find some justification that renders them blameless or the real victims. Part of their warped thinking maybe.

Thing is the vast, vast majority of muslims realise it's abhorrent, much like everyone else. So I think the existential threat is massively overblown.

However, there's no profit in saying "some peopke are bad, but the majority are good". There's no profit in pointing out that other people commit horrible crimes too. There is profit in making people scared and convinced they need to keep viewing your page to be updated on the spread of this threat.

It’s not just a minority though, there is serious problem with Islam. A cursory glance at any major poll conducted into the attitudes of British Muslims in the previous ten or so years makes depressing reading… 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be made illegal, 67% would not give police terror tip offs, 27% have some sympathy with Charlie Hebdo terrorists, 43% support the introduction of Sharia law in the uk etc etc... I could go on… That’s before I mention the 2012 Pew report into the attitudes of Muslims in Islamic majority countries worldwide. Islam is clearly inimical to liberal values.

As Moisok points out if current birthrates continue the death of liberal Europe is assured within a matter of generations.

PorcupineorPineapple • October 29, 2018 8:59 PM GMT

Thing is the vast, vast majority of muslims realise it's abhorrent, much like everyone else. So I think the existential threat is massively overblown.

Is this the same vast majority that report the offenders known to their community to the relevant authorities ?

Any response to my 3.05 post yet ?

The Luvvie Seething brain's will look for ways to cover their Actions ..

I feel sad cos I feel like I personally let these girls down by doing precisely nothing to help them.

Once upon a time in Solihull, West Midlands, long before these Pakistani rape gangs were public knowledge, I was walking along when a car stopped a hundred meters in front of me and 2 girls (only 13,14 ish) got out and walked across the grass towards their home in Shirley. No waving off, no goodbyes to the people in the car, didn't even look back and that seemed strange to me. In the car were about 3 or 4 Asian looking young men, a lot older than the girls though. They immediately set off towards Hall Green and who knows what part of Birmingham after that.

I was left feeling shocked and furious. 'What had occurred? (I knew what had occured, but hoped it hadn't) '. 'Where do the parents of these young girls think they are?' (Little did I know back then that this scenario would be repeated many thousands of times over.)

But I did nothing, just quietly fumed to myself. I thought of going to the Police, but I reasoned that details would be too sketchy to ever catch these people, so they wouldn't take it seriously. '2 girls just got out of a car and it drove off' didn't sound like evidence of a crime to me. So I never reported it.

The girls walked quickly and dissapeared out of view, and in that time it didn't occur to me to follow them home and talk to their parents. I really wish I had, maybe I could have saved them from further abuse. I feel quite sure that those girls were sexually abused by the Asian fellows, probably more than once.

I'd like to apologise for my inaction. I feel guilty and sad. I feel desperately sorry for those girls, and for all children who are sexually abused.

Would I have felt so mad if the young men in the car were white like the girls? I'd like to think so, but I don't know for sure. It's possible there's a racial element to my feeling sooo angry with those men, but then arn't they racist too by picking on white girls? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I don't generally have any negative feelings about other races of people, just the abusers I saw, so I don't believe I'm a racist as such.

I firmly believe we all are "emotionally racist" at one point our another in our life especially soon after being turned down for a job eg waiter, store assistant, etc, because the interviewers were of a different culture or creed to oneself despite being more qualified and near excellent job history. This scenario is so prevalent these days as witnessed in retail outlets eg supermarkets, hi-fi/electronic, law, restaurants, etc - I firmly believe this "behaviour" is in all of us regardless.

Nevertheless, that does not mean we are unable to do a very specific job in hand eg jury service, managing a group/task, etc, to achieve the best possible result without prejudice.

to be fair, the media did bunker down on the alagarve tapas 7,

the prejudice one way?

What did the Police say? ****s who didn't get paid? Slags, no crime committed? They were under age FFS!

Forget the inbred cave dwellers who know no better but were allowed to get away with it. Who allowed them to get away with it?

That crime is just as big imho, maybe worse. Standing aside and looking on doing nothing. Would you do that if a dog was mistreated? The Councils, Authorities and Police should be in the dock with these animals!

the prejudice is the protection, obfuscation and ignorance - pretending it never happened and it will go away or

the final act of the RAY CYST card played - even the labour party have punished the very few who ever mentioned it.