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Life expectancy in the UK has stopped improving for the first time since 1982, when figures began.
Women's life expectancy from birth remains 82.9 years and for men it is 79.2, the figures from the Office for National Statistics, for 2015-17, show.
In some parts of the UK, life expectancy has even decreased.
For men and women in Scotland and Wales, it declined by more than a month. Men in Northern Ireland have seen a similar fall.
For women in Northern Ireland, and for men and women in England, life expectancy at birth is unchanged.
The ONS said the stalling of life expectancy was linked to a particularly high number of deaths from 2015 to 2017, which coincided with a bad flu season and excess winter deaths.
It said there was "much ongoing debate" about the reasons behind this and what direction the trend may take in the future.
It is not clear what is driving the trend, but some academics have argued that government austerity policies, such as cuts to social care budgets in England, must have played a part.
Ministers have said that no such causation can be proved, although Public Health England has been asked to carry out a review of life expectancy trends.
Dr Kingsley Purdam, senior lecturer in social research methods and statistics at the University of Manchester, said the figures were "shocking".
"Poverty, austerity and cuts to public services are impacting on how long people are living in the UK," he said.
"We all need to look after our health but many of us, including the most vulnerable populations, need help at a time when evidence suggests that services are being cut.
"The lost years of life have an impact not just on the individual but on those people who are ultimately left behind including partners, children and grandchildren."
But Prof Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said there were other factors that might explain the stall in progress.
"We still do not know how much this is a result of direct health effects such as flu epidemics, how much is a result of social and economic factors, and how much is a failure to go on improving smoking cessation or other preventive measures," he said.
The data also shows that the UK lags behind other leading countries for life expectancy, including Switzerland, Japan, France, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy.
Of the countries the ONS compared the UK with, Switzerland was the nation with the longest life expectancy for men. For women, it is Japan.
Men in Switzerland are expected to live to 81.5 years. Women in Japan are predicted to live to 87.
Throughout the 20th Century, the UK experienced steady improvements in life expectancy at birth, resulting in a larger and older population.
This has been attributed to healthier lifestyles among the population as it ages, such as reduced smoking rates, and improvements in treating infectious illnesses and conditions such as heart disease.
But in recent years, the progress has slowed. And in the latest data it has ground to a halt.
The population of people who are 90 or over is still increasing but this is due to previous improvements in life expectancy going back many decades.
The number of centenarians decreased slightly between 2016 and 2017, reflecting low numbers of births during World War One.
But the ONS said it was expected to continue to increase again from 2019.
By Robert Cuffe, BBC News head of statistics
Since the 1980s, life expectancy has been going up by roughly two months a year every year, as we saw fewer deaths due to smoking or heart problems.
But after 2011, that rate of improvement has been slowing.
It could be because it's hard to keep on improving every year. It could be because of hard winters or difficult flu seasons. But we're not sure about exactly what has caused this trend.
So this data is really telling us about death rates in the UK for the past three years.
And we can be sure that picture in death rates is real.
How sure can we be that you'll live as long as the ONS predicts?
Not very - the ONS is not making precise predictions about what will happen in the future to determine how long you live.
Medical breakthroughs, pandemics and the wars of the next 80 years are impossible to predict.
bbc.co.uk
Women's life expectancy from birth remains 82.9 years and for men it is 79.2, the figures from the Office for National Statistics, for 2015-17, show.
In some parts of the UK, life expectancy has even decreased.
For men and women in Scotland and Wales, it declined by more than a month. Men in Northern Ireland have seen a similar fall.
For women in Northern Ireland, and for men and women in England, life expectancy at birth is unchanged.
The ONS said the stalling of life expectancy was linked to a particularly high number of deaths from 2015 to 2017, which coincided with a bad flu season and excess winter deaths.
It said there was "much ongoing debate" about the reasons behind this and what direction the trend may take in the future.
It is not clear what is driving the trend, but some academics have argued that government austerity policies, such as cuts to social care budgets in England, must have played a part.
Ministers have said that no such causation can be proved, although Public Health England has been asked to carry out a review of life expectancy trends.
Dr Kingsley Purdam, senior lecturer in social research methods and statistics at the University of Manchester, said the figures were "shocking".
"Poverty, austerity and cuts to public services are impacting on how long people are living in the UK," he said.
"We all need to look after our health but many of us, including the most vulnerable populations, need help at a time when evidence suggests that services are being cut.
"The lost years of life have an impact not just on the individual but on those people who are ultimately left behind including partners, children and grandchildren."
But Prof Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said there were other factors that might explain the stall in progress.
"We still do not know how much this is a result of direct health effects such as flu epidemics, how much is a result of social and economic factors, and how much is a failure to go on improving smoking cessation or other preventive measures," he said.
The data also shows that the UK lags behind other leading countries for life expectancy, including Switzerland, Japan, France, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy.
Of the countries the ONS compared the UK with, Switzerland was the nation with the longest life expectancy for men. For women, it is Japan.
Men in Switzerland are expected to live to 81.5 years. Women in Japan are predicted to live to 87.
Throughout the 20th Century, the UK experienced steady improvements in life expectancy at birth, resulting in a larger and older population.
This has been attributed to healthier lifestyles among the population as it ages, such as reduced smoking rates, and improvements in treating infectious illnesses and conditions such as heart disease.
But in recent years, the progress has slowed. And in the latest data it has ground to a halt.
The population of people who are 90 or over is still increasing but this is due to previous improvements in life expectancy going back many decades.
The number of centenarians decreased slightly between 2016 and 2017, reflecting low numbers of births during World War One.
But the ONS said it was expected to continue to increase again from 2019.
By Robert Cuffe, BBC News head of statistics
Since the 1980s, life expectancy has been going up by roughly two months a year every year, as we saw fewer deaths due to smoking or heart problems.
But after 2011, that rate of improvement has been slowing.
It could be because it's hard to keep on improving every year. It could be because of hard winters or difficult flu seasons. But we're not sure about exactly what has caused this trend.
So this data is really telling us about death rates in the UK for the past three years.
And we can be sure that picture in death rates is real.
How sure can we be that you'll live as long as the ONS predicts?
Not very - the ONS is not making precise predictions about what will happen in the future to determine how long you live.
Medical breakthroughs, pandemics and the wars of the next 80 years are impossible to predict.
bbc.co.uk
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idiots
it has been stopped by all the shootings and stabbings in Landan
right
next issue??
it has been stopped by all the shootings and stabbings in Landan
right
next issue??
hang on hang on - that is your brussels lot reporting this - wotch out!!!
Sep 25, 2018 -- 3:39PM, lfc1971 wrote:
people are not and never have been living longer
hmmm we already discussed this and while that statement was true for about a hundred years, it changed from the 80s onwards, when there was a big jump in the most common age of death (a stat that ignores infant mortality,epidemics and war deaths.
Sep 25, 2018 -- 3:39PM, lovegod wrote:
Is this being blamed on brexit too?
no brexit will knock off a lot more than this statistical blip.
is the price of french perfume and champagne go up
I am worried!!??
I am worried!!??
depends which families have the most children ...if poorer folk are having more children then the LE will fall accordingly
plus immigrants from poorer countries will bring the averages down a wee bit
Health service fecked.
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.
Well it has to plateau out at some stage, we can't live forever, also how many are being kept alive ? Big difference between that and LIVING 
Health service fecked.
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.
Glad your coming round to our way of thinking ST
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.
Glad your coming round to our way of thinking ST
Health service may well have something to do with Immigrants ,you can only serve so many customers ...
As for Living Longer probably a load of Old Bollix made up in order to Rise the Pension Age , which imo is far too high as it is ,,.
As more and more information becomes available about how to lead a healthy life, with more television programmes being made on the subject as well which adds to our knowledge, life expectancy hits the buffers.
So will life expectancy decline from this point?
It's clear that advice on life expectancy, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
So will life expectancy decline from this point?
It's clear that advice on life expectancy, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
Should be,
It's clear that good advice on extending our lives, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
It's clear that good advice on extending our lives, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
maybe the good advice is not being heeded, or is not good advice, time might
show an answer to that.
surely the weight gains by many people is involved in the decline, even if
the decline proves to be a blip.
show an answer to that.
surely the weight gains by many people is involved in the decline, even if
the decline proves to be a blip.
Before anyone jumps on their bandwagons, can someone explain why we are taking so much notice of 'life-expectancy'.
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live.
So, they may be right or wrong.
And we will have to wait around 110 years to know whether they are or not?
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live.
So, they may be right or wrong.
And we will have to wait around 110 years to know whether they are or not?
Are the numbers of heart attacks and strokes coming down? I don't think so.
Are instances of cancer coming down, definitely not.
And now we have to consider the rapidly increasing numbers of diabetes sufferers.
Plenty of people who follow the health guidelines develop one or all of the above. Is there any evidence that following the health guidelines prevents any of them?
If there is I haven't seen it, well certainly not from an independently funded source.
Are instances of cancer coming down, definitely not.
And now we have to consider the rapidly increasing numbers of diabetes sufferers.
Plenty of people who follow the health guidelines develop one or all of the above. Is there any evidence that following the health guidelines prevents any of them?
If there is I haven't seen it, well certainly not from an independently funded source.
Report in the Mail today, 1 in 8 heart attacks or strokes prevented by eating a Mediterranean diet.
What about the other 7?
What about the other 7?
What was their alcohol intake? How many that they surveyed were smokers?
How much does living in a warn climate count for better health?
There's a whole load of things that can have a bearing on life expectancy.
''Tracy Parker, a dietician at the charity, said: ‘The researchers found that those with high adherence to the diet were less likely to be smokers and more likely to be physically active – both important independent factors in reducing a person’s risk of cardiovascular disease.’'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3812772/A-Mediterranean-diet-UK-save-20-000-lives-year-one-eight-deaths-heart-attack-stroke-prevented-change.html
Well there you go.
How much does living in a warn climate count for better health?
There's a whole load of things that can have a bearing on life expectancy.
''Tracy Parker, a dietician at the charity, said: ‘The researchers found that those with high adherence to the diet were less likely to be smokers and more likely to be physically active – both important independent factors in reducing a person’s risk of cardiovascular disease.’'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3812772/A-Mediterranean-diet-UK-save-20-000-lives-year-one-eight-deaths-heart-attack-stroke-prevented-change.html
Well there you go.
They've got it all arse about face. People dying earlier is a good thing. Just got to work out a way of giving them a better quality of life and a quick and pain free death.
The Bob Monkhouse joke.
Who want's to live till they 100 anyway?
Someone who's 99?
Who want's to live till they 100 anyway?
Someone who's 99?
"a better quality of life and a quick and pain free death."
NHS funded cruise ships to dignitas via ibiza and every port with a knocking shop.
Might be a vote winner.
NHS funded cruise ships to dignitas via ibiza and every port with a knocking shop.
Might be a vote winner.
In the past 30 years people living to 100+ has gone up 5 fold in the UK, apparently, but there has to be a limit; perhaps we're reaching that now
80 would suit me, outlive the old man and then join him for a pint and bit of banter about it
80 would suit me, outlive the old man and then join him for a pint and bit of banter about it
I always stated, my generation will never live as long as my grandparents and parents. The diet and other factors including environmental which have already been mentioned is killing people younger these days. Back in the old days people eat the old meat and 2 vegs type diet. Nowadays I don't know what people eat. There's more pollution and pesticides in the world these days.
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BST
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live
you read it wrong
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live
you read it wrong
Today's younger generation are suffering chronic illness earlier than previous generations.
Many say that's due to eating a much richer diet.
But now we can afford to be sick, because far fewer of us need the good health required to do manual work until we retire, and we can always go on the box until our pension's due anyway.
While the health professionals keep advising us to eat like kings, with their ideal balanced diets which contain all the ingredients to promote ill health, things are unlikely to improve - according to some sources.
Many say that's due to eating a much richer diet.
But now we can afford to be sick, because far fewer of us need the good health required to do manual work until we retire, and we can always go on the box until our pension's due anyway.
While the health professionals keep advising us to eat like kings, with their ideal balanced diets which contain all the ingredients to promote ill health, things are unlikely to improve - according to some sources.
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Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BST
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live
you read it wrong
Thanks for the correction. Please advise what they are estimating and provide link.
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BST
As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live
you read it wrong
Thanks for the correction. Please advise what they are estimating and provide link.
A child born today has a 1 in 2 chance of developing some form of cancer and a 1 in 3 chance of developing dementia. Frightening innit. Glad I am old and decrepit now.
That's startling Slicer.
Along with that we've got wide spread heart disease, high blood pressure and S2 diabetes.
What's the chances of being free from one of that lot after the age of 60?
Along with that we've got wide spread heart disease, high blood pressure and S2 diabetes.
What's the chances of being free from one of that lot after the age of 60?
Gout is something else that's on the increase. That goes hand in hand with the three ailments I mentioned .
If you get gout you need to reconsider your lifestyle very seriously.
If you get gout you need to reconsider your lifestyle very seriously.
Speaking of little Khan, he looks like death warmed up as well.
Sep 26, 2018 -- 2:22PM, Jack Hacksaw wrote:
dave1357 26 Sep 18 13:33 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 8,516 | Blogger: dave1357's blogJack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BSTAs I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will liveyou read it wrongThanks for the correction. Please advise what they are estimating and provide link.
here's the full info
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages
/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2015to2017
life expectancy is based on real data not an estimate (ie if it goes down that is actual people dying at a higher rate than the previously analysed batch).
The only stat that is of practical use to the average person is life expectancy at age 65 for retirement planning.
The ons provide calculator for this purpose
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare
/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/whatismylifeexpectancyandhowmightitchange/2017-12-01
cut and paste these links or they might not work
Another point that may be relevant to the comments regarding illness in the young is possibly the hygiene issues. Some have said, or should I say I have read over the years, is that with hygiene being so important these days we are not using our natural immune systems to fight everyday bugs, where people are trying to avoid them being overly hygienic... just a comment to add to the mix; perhaps others may have a view on this too.
I hit dave1357's link for full info and got 404 - The webpage you are requesting does not exist on the site.
Is there any way of finding these results adjusted for skin colour? I'm wondering whether an increasing proportion of people with darker skin colour at UK latitudes might have an effect.
Meta-analysis suggests increased prevalence of vitamin D deficiency (VDD) in dark-skinned migrants.
VDD is associated with increased time in host country.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900715002932
Is there any way of finding these results adjusted for skin colour? I'm wondering whether an increasing proportion of people with darker skin colour at UK latitudes might have an effect.
Meta-analysis suggests increased prevalence of vitamin D deficiency (VDD) in dark-skinned migrants.
VDD is associated with increased time in host country.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900715002932
A break down of the figures would be useful...apparently Scots don't do too well.
screaming from beneaththewaves • September 26, 2018 7:07 PM BST
I hit dave1357's link for full info and got 404 - The webpage you are requesting does not exist on the site
dave1357 • September 26, 2018 3:50 PM BST
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cut and paste these links or they might not work
I hit dave1357's link for full info and got 404 - The webpage you are requesting does not exist on the site
dave1357 • September 26, 2018 3:50 PM BST
....
cut and paste these links or they might not work
Ta, dave. Cut & paste works. Can't find any breakdown by ethnicity or skin colour though.
According to the link, life expectancy for Scotland has always trailed the other three countries, with England having the longest life expectancy. Which would suggest that access to high-angle sunlight in the south of England, and consequent vitamin D formation, might be crucial to a longer life. And that there'll be a pullback in life expectancy in the overall population as an increasing number come to have dark skins (which evolved to protect against intense tropical sunlight), rather than pale skins (which evolved to absorb the weak sunlight at UK latitudes).
According to the link, life expectancy for Scotland has always trailed the other three countries, with England having the longest life expectancy. Which would suggest that access to high-angle sunlight in the south of England, and consequent vitamin D formation, might be crucial to a longer life. And that there'll be a pullback in life expectancy in the overall population as an increasing number come to have dark skins (which evolved to protect against intense tropical sunlight), rather than pale skins (which evolved to absorb the weak sunlight at UK latitudes).
I read last night that dark skinned people need 10 times the exposure to the sun in order to get the same amount of vitamin D as light skinned people.
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 9:29 PM BST
Can only see Life Expectancy At Birth
The national life tables are “period” life tables and all figures referred to in this bulletin are “period” life expectancies. Period life expectancy is the average number of additional years a person would live if he or she experienced the age-specific mortality rates of the given area and time period for the rest of their life.
So the tables apply to any age not just at birth.
Can only see Life Expectancy At Birth
The national life tables are “period” life tables and all figures referred to in this bulletin are “period” life expectancies. Period life expectancy is the average number of additional years a person would live if he or she experienced the age-specific mortality rates of the given area and time period for the rest of their life.
So the tables apply to any age not just at birth.
Was there not a bad flu epidemic killing loads of people last winter, hospitals overflowing with very ill people, followed by a very hot summer that also increases mortality, and life span drops statistically by a week I think they aid, and the media as usual go into meltdown?
I wouldv'e thought heavy smokers and drinkers people in their 70s would be keeing the figures down as they are probably the last generation of a specific group with that lifestyle..In 20 years time surely luing cancwers and smoking related cancers will be very low % probably smoking in the next 25 years will be virtually non exiostent and drtinking habits are improving as well..
Brain cancers and other slow growers will increase dramatically especially in the young (under 25) as will all auto immune illnesses which are already on the rise mostly due to the techy environment we've been poisoned with,agree nobody's somoking and less drinking but our environment will more than make up for that.
Some have argued that industry used to account for high numbers of premature deaths. Perhaps healthier working conditions which were a long time in coming helped boost longevity and that effect has now run its course.
Im sure the sh1t they sprey on us from the skies here on the south coast nearly every day is good for our health,and they do a lovely job in trying to block at the sun rays bless em
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 9:29 PM BST
Can only see Life Expectancy At Birth
The national life tables are “period” life tables and all figures referred to in this bulletin are “period” life expectancies. Period life expectancy is the average number of additional years a person would live if he or she experienced the age-specific mortality rates of the given area and time period for the rest of their life.
So the tables apply to any age not just at birth.
So, a man on his 60th birthday can expect to live another 19.2 years. And a boy on his 5th birthday can expect to live another 74.2 years.
How much longer can a man celebrating his 85th birthday expect to live for?
Can only see Life Expectancy At Birth
The national life tables are “period” life tables and all figures referred to in this bulletin are “period” life expectancies. Period life expectancy is the average number of additional years a person would live if he or she experienced the age-specific mortality rates of the given area and time period for the rest of their life.
So the tables apply to any age not just at birth.
So, a man on his 60th birthday can expect to live another 19.2 years. And a boy on his 5th birthday can expect to live another 74.2 years.
How much longer can a man celebrating his 85th birthday expect to live for?
All of these estimates are merely guesswork and poor and dishonest statistics
Usually using one of two methods , one method uses what happened in the past to arrive at an estimate ( where they use wrong maths )
And the other method uses a combination of the past ( with wrong maths ) and the future ( guesswork )
Then the government or some other body will give you the findings , part fact , part misunderstood or ignored facts , and partly outright lies
That’s all you need to know
Usually using one of two methods , one method uses what happened in the past to arrive at an estimate ( where they use wrong maths )
And the other method uses a combination of the past ( with wrong maths ) and the future ( guesswork )
Then the government or some other body will give you the findings , part fact , part misunderstood or ignored facts , and partly outright lies
That’s all you need to know
dave that is hiw it has been in the past , certainly with the government statistics ( on anything )
and in the vast majority of books etc
They have all been wrong , something may have changed I suppose
Anythings possible
and in the vast majority of books etc
They have all been wrong , something may have changed I suppose
Anythings possible
There has never been a study done that shows the true life expectancy of people in Britain , never
You se all these studies are fundamentally flawed in the manner in which they collect data
And when there are flaws of this nature they will be manipulated by the governments and others
There is only one way to get the true figure , but that not practical
And when there are flaws of this nature they will be manipulated by the governments and others
There is only one way to get the true figure , but that not practical
One will have fundamental flaws in one way , the other method has fundamental flaws in a different way
That’s good god the government , they can tell you any old sh1te
The system allows it
The system allows it
When it comes to longevity they have been doing that for at least 200 years
The only true way to do it would be for everyone born in say 1920 , wait until they have all died
Then you know the true life exectency that group of people just them , no one else ( don’t forget wars etc )
And the same for 1940 , wait until they are all dead
And 1970 , etc
There is no other way of doing it , they don’t do that
Then you know the true life exectency that group of people just them , no one else ( don’t forget wars etc )
And the same for 1940 , wait until they are all dead
And 1970 , etc
There is no other way of doing it , they don’t do that
Dave--CHEMTRAILS, see what the millions of LOONS are saying on the net, cant all be wrong can they?
sigh - they are wrong terry. Half the population (including you) are below average intelligence.
^And the other half as well who only think they're intelligent.
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