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Life expectancy in the UK has stopped improving for the first time since 1982, when figures began.
Women's life expectancy from birth remains 82.9 years and for men it is 79.2, the figures from the Office for National Statistics, for 2015-17, show.
In some parts of the UK, life expectancy has even decreased.
For men and women in Scotland and Wales, it declined by more than a month. Men in Northern Ireland have seen a similar fall.
For women in Northern Ireland, and for men and women in England, life expectancy at birth is unchanged.

The ONS said the stalling of life expectancy was linked to a particularly high number of deaths from 2015 to 2017, which coincided with a bad flu season and excess winter deaths.
It said there was "much ongoing debate" about the reasons behind this and what direction the trend may take in the future.

It is not clear what is driving the trend, but some academics have argued that government austerity policies, such as cuts to social care budgets in England, must have played a part.
Ministers have said that no such causation can be proved, although Public Health England has been asked to carry out a review of life expectancy trends.
Dr Kingsley Purdam, senior lecturer in social research methods and statistics at the University of Manchester, said the figures were "shocking".
"Poverty, austerity and cuts to public services are impacting on how long people are living in the UK," he said.
"We all need to look after our health but many of us, including the most vulnerable populations, need help at a time when evidence suggests that services are being cut.
"The lost years of life have an impact not just on the individual but on those people who are ultimately left behind including partners, children and grandchildren."

But Prof Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said there were other factors that might explain the stall in progress.
"We still do not know how much this is a result of direct health effects such as flu epidemics, how much is a result of social and economic factors, and how much is a failure to go on improving smoking cessation or other preventive measures," he said.
The data also shows that the UK lags behind other leading countries for life expectancy, including Switzerland, Japan, France, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy.
Of the countries the ONS compared the UK with, Switzerland was the nation with the longest life expectancy for men. For women, it is Japan.
Men in Switzerland are expected to live to 81.5 years. Women in Japan are predicted to live to 87.

Throughout the 20th Century, the UK experienced steady improvements in life expectancy at birth, resulting in a larger and older population.
This has been attributed to healthier lifestyles among the population as it ages, such as reduced smoking rates, and improvements in treating infectious illnesses and conditions such as heart disease.
But in recent years, the progress has slowed. And in the latest data it has ground to a halt.
The population of people who are 90 or over is still increasing but this is due to previous improvements in life expectancy going back many decades.
The number of centenarians decreased slightly between 2016 and 2017, reflecting low numbers of births during World War One.
But the ONS said it was expected to continue to increase again from 2019.


By Robert Cuffe, BBC News head of statistics
Since the 1980s, life expectancy has been going up by roughly two months a year every year, as we saw fewer deaths due to smoking or heart problems.
But after 2011, that rate of improvement has been slowing.
It could be because it's hard to keep on improving every year. It could be because of hard winters or difficult flu seasons. But we're not sure about exactly what has caused this trend.
So this data is really telling us about death rates in the UK for the past three years.
And we can be sure that picture in death rates is real.
How sure can we be that you'll live as long as the ONS predicts?
Not very - the ONS is not making precise predictions about what will happen in the future to determine how long you live.
Medical breakthroughs, pandemics and the wars of the next 80 years are impossible to predict.


bbc.co.uk

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By:
moisok
When: 25 Sep 18 15:33
idiots

it has been stopped by all the shootings and stabbings in Landan

right

next issue??
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Sep 18 15:39
people are not and never have been living longer
By:
lovegod
When: 25 Sep 18 15:39
Is this being blamed on brexit too?
By:
moisok
When: 25 Sep 18 15:41
hang on hang on  - that is your brussels lot reporting this  - wotch out!!!
By:
dave1357
When: 25 Sep 18 15:55

Sep 25, 2018 -- 3:39PM, lfc1971 wrote:


people are not and never have been living longer


hmmm we already discussed this and while that statement was true for about a hundred years, it changed from the 80s onwards, when there was a big jump in the most common age of death (a stat that ignores infant mortality,epidemics and war deaths.

By:
dave1357
When: 25 Sep 18 15:56

Sep 25, 2018 -- 3:39PM, lovegod wrote:


Is this being blamed on brexit too?


no brexit will knock off a lot more than this statistical blip.

By:
moisok
When: 25 Sep 18 16:00
is the price of french perfume and champagne go up

I am worried!!??
By:
Coachbuster
When: 25 Sep 18 18:58
depends which families have the most children  ...if poorer folk are having more children then the LE will fall accordingly
By:
Coachbuster
When: 25 Sep 18 18:59
plus immigrants from poorer countries will bring the averages down a wee bit
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 25 Sep 18 21:28
Health service fecked.
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Sep 18 21:30
never believed it in the first place
By:
ufcdan
When: 25 Sep 18 21:31
Well it has to plateau out at some stage, we can't live forever, also how many are being kept alive ? Big difference between that and LIVING Mischief
By:
ufcdan
When: 25 Sep 18 21:32
Health service fecked.
Stress higher than ever.
Poverty higher than ever.
On this forum...
It's probably the BBC or Corbyn's fault everything is shoite, immigrants have already taken some of the blame.

Glad your coming round to our way of thinking ST
By:
casemoney
When: 26 Sep 18 00:46
Health service may well have something to do with Immigrants ,you can only serve so many customers ...
By:
casemoney
When: 26 Sep 18 00:48
As for Living Longer probably a load of Old Bollix made up in order to Rise the Pension Age , which imo is far too high as it is ,,.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 10:43
As more and more information becomes available about how to lead a healthy life, with more television programmes being made on the subject as well which adds to our knowledge, life expectancy hits the buffers.
So will life expectancy decline from this point?

It's clear that advice on life expectancy, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 10:46
Should be,

It's clear that good advice on extending our lives, or quality of health isn't something that goes with wealth.
By:
donny osmond
When: 26 Sep 18 10:56
maybe the good advice is not being heeded, or is not good advice, time might
show an answer to that.

surely the weight gains by many people is involved in the decline, even if
the decline proves to be a blip.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 26 Sep 18 11:13
Before anyone jumps on their bandwagons, can someone explain why we are taking so much notice of 'life-expectancy'.

As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live.

So, they may be right or wrong.

And we will have to wait around 110 years to know whether they are or not?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 11:42
Are the numbers of heart attacks and strokes coming down? I don't think so.
Are instances of cancer coming down, definitely not.
And now we have to consider the rapidly increasing numbers of diabetes sufferers.

Plenty of people who follow the health guidelines develop one or all of the above. Is there any evidence that following the health guidelines prevents any of them?
If there is I haven't seen it, well certainly not from an independently funded source.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 11:44
Report in the Mail today, 1 in 8 heart attacks or strokes prevented by eating a Mediterranean diet.

What about the other 7?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 11:50
What was their alcohol intake? How many that they surveyed were smokers?
How much does living in a warn climate count for better health?

There's a whole load of things that can have a bearing on life expectancy.

''Tracy Parker, a dietician at the charity, said: ‘The researchers found that those with high adherence to the diet were less likely to be smokers and more likely to be physically active – both important independent factors in reducing a person’s risk of cardiovascular disease.’'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3812772/A-Mediterranean-diet-UK-save-20-000-lives-year-one-eight-deaths-heart-attack-stroke-prevented-change.html

Well there you go.
By:
TheBaron
When: 26 Sep 18 11:53
They've got it all arse about face.  People dying earlier is a good thing.  Just got to work out a way of giving them a better quality of life and a quick and pain free death.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 12:08
The Bob Monkhouse joke.

Who want's to live till they 100 anyway?

Someone who's 99?
By:
Just Checking
When: 26 Sep 18 12:46
"a better quality of life and a quick and pain free death."
NHS funded cruise ships to dignitas via ibiza and every port with a knocking shop.

Might be a vote winner.
By:
Aspro
When: 26 Sep 18 13:03
In the past 30 years people living to 100+ has gone up 5 fold in the UK, apparently, but there has to be a limit; perhaps we're reaching that now

80 would suit me, outlive the old man and then join him for a pint and bit of banter about it
By:
Kriskin
When: 26 Sep 18 13:32
I always stated, my generation will never live as long as my grandparents and parents.  The diet and other factors including environmental  which have already been mentioned is killing people younger these days.  Back in the old days people eat the old meat and 2 vegs type diet.  Nowadays I don't know what people eat. There's more pollution and pesticides in the world these days.
By:
dave1357
When: 26 Sep 18 13:33
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BST

As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live


you read it wrong
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 14:12
Today's younger generation are suffering chronic illness earlier than previous generations.
Many say that's due to eating a much richer diet.

But now we can afford to be sick, because far fewer of us need the good health required to do manual work until we retire, and we can always go on the box until our pension's due anyway.

While the health professionals keep advising us to eat like kings, with their ideal balanced diets which contain all the ingredients to promote ill health, things are unlikely to improve - according to some sources.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 26 Sep 18 14:22
dave1357 26 Sep 18 13:33 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 8,516 | Blogger: dave1357's blog
Jack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BST

As I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will live

you read it wrong

Thanks for the correction.  Please advise what they are estimating and provide link.
By:
Slicer
When: 26 Sep 18 14:44
A child born today has a 1 in 2 chance of developing some form of cancer and a 1 in 3 chance of developing dementia. Frightening innit. Glad I am old and decrepit now.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 15:06
That's startling Slicer.

Along with that we've got wide spread heart disease, high blood pressure and S2 diabetes.

What's the chances of being free from one of that lot after the age of 60?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 15:08
Gout is something else that's on the increase. That goes hand in hand with the three ailments I mentioned .

If you get gout you need to reconsider your lifestyle very seriously.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 18 15:10
Speaking of little Khan, he looks like death warmed up as well.
By:
dave1357
When: 26 Sep 18 15:50

Sep 26, 2018 -- 2:22PM, Jack Hacksaw wrote:


dave1357 26 Sep 18 13:33 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 8,516 | Blogger: dave1357's blogJack Hacksaw • September 26, 2018 11:13 AM BSTAs I read it, this is the ONS estimate for how long a child born today will liveyou read it wrongThanks for the correction.  Please advise what they are estimating and provide link.


here's the full info

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages
/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2015to2017

life expectancy is based on real data not an estimate (ie if it goes down that is actual people dying at a higher rate than the previously analysed batch).

The only stat that is of practical use to the average person is life expectancy at age 65 for retirement planning.

The ons provide calculator for this purpose

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare
/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/whatismylifeexpectancyandhowmightitchange/2017-12-01

cut and paste these links or they might not work

By:
Aspro
When: 26 Sep 18 17:03
Another point that may be relevant to the comments regarding illness in the young is possibly the hygiene issues. Some have said, or should I say I have read over the years, is that with hygiene being so important these days we are not using our natural immune systems to fight everyday bugs, where people are trying to avoid them being overly hygienic... just a comment to add to the mix; perhaps others may have a view on this too.
By:
Injera
When: 26 Sep 18 17:09
ufcdan nails it.

Quality not quantity.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 Sep 18 19:07
I hit dave1357's link for full info and got 404 - The webpage you are requesting does not exist on the site.

Is there any way of finding these results adjusted for skin colour? I'm wondering whether an increasing proportion of people with darker skin colour at UK latitudes might have an effect.

Meta-analysis suggests increased prevalence of vitamin D deficiency (VDD) in dark-skinned migrants.

VDD is associated with increased time in host country.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900715002932
By:
TheBaron
When: 26 Sep 18 19:09
A break down of the figures would be useful...apparently Scots don't do too well.
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