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SH
The tin foil hat loons , witter on about some tiny detail yet don't produce a simple theory of what DID happen, or concentrate on non-existing evidence rather than the massive amount of evidence which did exist. I have already explained I believe WTC7 to be an irrelevant sideshow . There was a report produced which explained what happened to WTC7 & the main aspects of the 9-11 attack. There are many loons who don't believe 4 planes crashed on 9-11. The total lack of any theory from the "truthers " suggest they are either barking up the wrong tree or simply just barking. |
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Torq
Also believe 2 crashed into WTC & 2 others crashed that day. |
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terry needs to pull himself back from this no planes claim, every single one of these passengers has been named with their ages, locations and job titles, they're not imaginary people, persisting with this just makes a mockery of the any conspiracy revolving around 911.
There is no doubt Silverstein said "pull it", this is the biggest giveaway of all time, what makes it worse was years later claiming he said something else that meant something else. Then there was the fact he insured the buildings for billions months beforehand, whereas if they'd never have come down, he was facing a 1 billion doller bill to clear asbetos from the buildings. |
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Mexico
When you look at the videos of the 3 buildings being destroyed, do you think it is reasonable to say that fires bought them down - because that's what the official report concluded. I now look at the videos and think that explanation is obviously nonsense. |
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Even though very suspicious, the 'pull it' quote is a little ambiguous SH
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I agree there is a lot of circumstantial evidence for 911 truthers, but there comes a point where there is so much circumstantial evidence it's hard to ignore it. FEMA's arrival for a planned drill a day before for the day after for example.
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Sh
It takes a huge keep of faith to believe that the head of the investment group saying in an interview "pull it" is evidence that Explosives were put in place days/months before hand without anybody knowing, they were left to burn for hours then they were detonated by the command "pull it" And all this planning basically made f-all difference as it did not really matter to world events if the buildings collapsed that day or were demolished months later. The events which shaped US policy was 4 planes being hijacked & crashed.If "only " 1000 people died US policy would not have been much different. |
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it wasn't about it affecting/changing world events, it was about what information within the building needed to be permently destroyed, not exactly your typical office block, it was also home to the OEM, if that was the command centre controlling events the building would need to be demolished itself to destroy evidence, Larry Silverstein was inside the WTC every single morning at that time of day for breakfast, not that day, never was any memebers of his family. I'm obv not saying he planned anything, but it's a possibility given all of the 'circumstantial' evidence, that he knew what was coming. And that's why the building itself is relevant.
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WT7 fell at the speed of gravity. That's frefall. i.e nothing slowed it.
That can only happen if there are explosives placed all the way through the building preventing any friction. Silverstein admitted this but deniers believe the owner of WT7 is lying. I believe both Silverstein and 9/11 Comissioner Roemer ('missile' hit the Pentagon) told the truth. |
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Silverstein did not admit that explosives were planted , set on fire for hours & detonated. Interesting you use the word "lying" . I'm not sure you fully understand what gravity is "speed of gravity " is a new phrase to me. WT7 is a irrelevant sideshow. The main story is 4 planes were hijacked & crashed on 9-11. |
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Did you see my question Mexico?
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Yes saw your questions
I'm not so sad that I spend hours watching videos of buildings falling . If that is what turns you on Torq then so be it. Seems reasonable that planes & fire would damage a building. There was a report published on the subject. And of course it really did not matter in terms of US policy if the buildings collapsed or not. What changed US policy was the 4 planes being hijacked & crashed. |
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Oh well, if an official Report is issued, then it must be true.
.... just like the Warren Commission report. .... the Hillsborough report. etc etc. |
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What, you think the way those buildings came down matches with what the official story concluded? Jeez!
It seems to me that you like asking (rudely) lots of questions to other people, but when somebody asks (politely) you a question you just deflect and change the subject. That's telling in itself. The truth is you don't have that much faith in what you're writing IMO. |
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My post was to Mexico.
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Calling WTC7 an irrelevance is just plain dumb. No wonder you're uncomfortable talking about it.
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Haven,where did I say no planes, answer to that was never,but I did ask you to watch a documentary,i guess you didn't.
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I'm sure of one thing. If 911 was an 'inside job' as some call it, we will NEVER learn the truth. No matter what evidence comes to light the government will stick to the official story. Look at the 19 terrorists for example - the BBC and SKY reported that some of them are still alive, their identities stolen presumably. Has the official narrative changed to reflect this fact? No, the same 19 names are still listed.
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I'm not asking lots of questions Basically I'm asking one very very basic question. In is not my fault that the tin foil hat loons are unable to explain what they believe. How simple can a question get... What do you believe DID happen. Rather than going to school/university etc. these guys spend years watching you tube heavily edited videos. Terry is actually proud in lacks ability to explain what he believes DID happen. |
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Terry
Do you believe 4 planes crashed on 9-11? Terry What do you believe DID Happen on 9-11? |
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I don't doubt for a second that planes and fire damaged the buildings, that much is bleeding obvious. What some of us are saying however is look at how all 3 buildings fell down. The first two litrerally exploded from the top to the bottom until there was virtually nothing left. The third one dropped like a stone exactly like a pro demolition job.
It just wouldn't happen like that if fire and crash damage caused them to fall. And if it was just people on an anonymous forum saying it your disbelief and ridicule might be justified. But it isn't just people like me who call the official explanation BS - literally thousands of well qualified physicists, architects and engineers have also said that those towers were demolished by explosives. Professional men and women with years of scientific expertise under their belts. Are they all tin foil hat loons as well? |
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terry, this is the reason why I said that you said there were no planes, I slightly take it back as we were talking about the second plane as seen below
scandanavian_haven 10 Oct 18 10:21 J there are 43 different camera angles from this one video alone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpUKM0MFNaM, showing the 2nd plane hitting the tower, I can buy it was in inside job of course, but to say there were no planes tbh takes away from conspiracy and from there on in it descends in to ridiculousness. terry mccann 10 Oct 18 10:43 Joined: 26 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 10,186 | Blogger: terry mccann's blog Haven look at Rich halls doc on what hit 2nd tower,it could change your mind on that one, there is video evidence. I have seen his documentary, a plane hit that second tower. |
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So answer me this "the believe what my eyes tell me mob "..........................................................
The commercial Boeing 767 Aircraft which " reportedly " crashed into the WTC.... At exactly 9:03:02, Flight 175 crashed nose-first into the southern facade of South Tower of the World Trade Center, at a speed of approximately 590 mph (950 km/h, 264 m/s, or 513 knots) and striking between floors 77 and 85 with approximately 10,000 U.S. gallons (38,000 L; 8,300 imp gal) of jet fuel on board. The physics do not work out : At 700ft above sea level the maximum speed that plane can fly at is .....wait for it........... APPROX 350MPH ( 560 KM/H, 156 M/S or 304 Knots. ) ??? What you DID NOT see was a BOEING 767 CRASH INTO THE WTC !!!!!! THE OFFICIAL NIST REPORT STATES THAT THE IMPACT SPEED OF THE COMMERCIAL 767 was in excess of 500mph !!!!!.......................... NOT POSSIBLE................... In addition think about this : If you watch a formula one car or for that matter an indie car flashing around the track in excess of 230mph and smashing into a crash barrier what happens ? Does it simply melt into the crash barrier ? Nope.. Tyres, wheels car body parts fly everywhere & whats left spins around uncontrollably !!! In addition it does not disappear ?????? LADIES and GENTLEMEN I have presented to you the FORERUNNER TO THE GREATEST DECEPTION THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD HAS EVER EXPERIENCED. and remarkably IT STILL GOES ON. The above data is not made up, it is not opinion, They are the FACTS,. The multi trillion dollar unanswered question is how they did it let alone how have they managed to create a deception which could fool the world at that time and keep it on going for so long afterwards ???? Food for thought for you all on a quiet sunday and there is plenty of additional considerable empirical scientific evidence to throw into extreme doubt what the official NIST report contains. So my stance is : NO COMMERCIAL PLANES unless someone can provide me with any data / evidence other than the videos that show them. ( Bear in mind) i am not questioning what everyone believe that they think they saw. The perpetrators have access to technology which is a full generation or maybe two in front of what we have now. Impossible for us to know what they now have at their disposal now another 17 years on. When considering how many lives were REPORTEDLY lost on that fateful day........... During the September 11 attacks of 2001, 2,996 people were killed (including the 19 hijackers) and more than 6,000 others injured. These immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon...... 1300 OF THE POOR SOULS WHICH LOST THEIR LIVES WERE NEVER RECOVERED AT ALL !!!! |
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dyno, if they were not commercial planes, who were the 265 fatalities on the 4 planes?
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There is so much evidence to contradict the official line on 9/11.
Mex - take a look at the evidence both physical and eyewitness statements of Flight 93 crashing into Shanksville. The official line is so pathetic, that its insulting to the general public to expect them to believe it. |
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Haven,im thinking you couldn't have watched the correct video
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Dyno
Where do you get your "scientific " info regarding the max speed of a plane at sea level? Is it a safety guideline or are you saying it is a fundamental law of Physics? There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest that a plane did crash into WTC. Do you actually believe your "science " is evidence to suggest they did not crash? |
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Blackrock
Black boxes were found at Shanksville along with plane wreckage & human remains. And you suggest should "look at the evidence " |
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But no plane crashed there,yer lying but why???
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The only plane wreckage photographed is a small engine part which was obviously planted. The plane was supposedly buried 25 feet below the surface. No wreckage had broken off at impact and as the 'plane' tore into the ground, the earth apparently resettled itself, showing no sign that a plane had crashed.
A black box was produced to convince us but why was no other wreckage, ie wings, fuselage,etc etc not shown to us. Eyewitnesses arriving at the scene said there was no evidence that a plane had crashed. No wreckage, no bodies. Plane crashes always leave evidence behind but not in this case it seems. |
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Flight 93 certainly didn't land in the field they say it did,so what really happened to it and the people aboard?
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Terry you have still not bothered to explain what you believe DID happen?
Did 4 planes crash Terry. Terry why did you post the lies about passports? Terry there is a massive amount of evidence to suggest 4 planes crashed. |
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Blackrock
There is a massive amount of evidence to suggest a plane crashed there. Black boxes, plane wreckage, human remains, phone calls, eyewitnesses, phone calls, missing people, missing plane, DNA So Black do you believe any planes crashed on 9-11? How many? |
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"This crash was different. There was no wreckage ,no bodies and no noise" - Somerset County Coronor Wallace Miller.
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scandanavian_haven 14 Oct 18 11:53 Joined: 27 May 11 | Topic/replies: 8,017 | Blogger: scandanavian_haven's blog
dyno, if they were not commercial planes, who were the 265 fatalities on the 4 planes? SH.... How do we know there were any fatalities from the planes at the reported areas ? I didnt see any evidence of this at all ? Did you ? I heard many conflicting reports but no real evidence ? Am i wrong ? It may be difficult to comprehend this but do you really believe that as inept as the US military appear to have been on this "supposed " war games day , they would stand down and let a rogue flight or 4 roam around the east side of the country without intercepting them ? Come on........ think this through properly. They have kept this story in place because people will not do so. Tragic, |
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https://stgvisie.home.xs4all.nl/List-of-Passengers-911.html
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I agree that the military getting it so spectacularly wrong and flying the wrong way out to sea is obviously suspicious, which I've said already.
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Terry you have once again failed in the most basic, simple tasks.
How many planes do you believe crashed on 9-11. Instead you posted a quote without any link or without any context. There is a massive amount of evidence that a plane crashed at Shanksville. |
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Dyno
Have you got any evidence to show us that US policy was to shoot down commercial jets flying in US airspace with hundreds of US passengers on board. By "rogue " I assume you mean hijacked passenger planes. |
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What about WTC7 Mexico,you haven't explained how the heck it come down all on its own and why-cheers
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