Aug 9, 2018 -- 3:39PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:
Certainly I would describe both as extreme right wing, Reynard.What, you think we were all taken in by Rees-Mogg's concern for the wretched masses' access to cheap-footwear?
That was always a scam. The EU already has zero tariffs with many of the poorest countries around, for all products except arms. For one reason or another, however, the imports that our companies do, remain to be raw products (which they then turn into industrial products and sell the poor countries....)
Tariffs ain't the problem.


Aug 9, 2018 -- 8:51PM, Dr Crippen wrote:
No it hasn't, that's simply your way of playing down the mess that Labour finds themselves in. The term far right must also apply to Labour if it is valid in the case of Tommy Robinson.Both are targeting ethnic groups, which is a trait of the right used as the criterion here.
uh...no, anti-semitism has never been exclusive to the far-right, or far-left, or centre, or anything.
As two very wise men agreed in 2016
edy • December 22, 2016 10:46 AM GMT
The NSDAP was a mixture. Throw in some social crumbs towards the massively struggling workership to secure their support, coupled with stranger blaming ethno-nationalism and a strong authoritarian leaderhip. Overall, the party was nowhere near socialist. It was propaganda. The key point of socialism is to put the means of production into social ownership and democratic control. Hitler was a strong opponent of that and never even dreamed of doing that despite having totalitarian power.
The part that ended up making the NSDAP and Germany dangerous was the strong ethno-nationalism, which resulted in mass exclusion, murders and war to take the living space from undeserving "sub-humans" and occupy it with people of the much superior ethnicity.
Also, if you truly think liberalism and socialism are one and the same, you're badly mistaken too.
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Dr Crippen • December 22, 2016 11:00 AM GMT
That's correct edy,
Hitler talked about nationalising the banks at one point, but as soon as the Nazis gained power all that was abandoned and they even abolished the unions.
The Nazis openly demonstrated their hatred of the Jews. Yet that did not deter those on the left from supporting them.
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edy • December 22, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
There has long been lingering anti-semitism among the left too, yes. The supposed "money-jew" as their opponent back then. Now the anti-semitism in form of putting Israel under scrutinty and suspicion that *probably* wouldn't happen if it was any random non-jewish state with the same policies and problems.
Aug 10, 2018 -- 12:24PM, Dr Crippen wrote:
You still can't show how Tommy Robinson can be of the far-right, without tarring anti-Semitic members of the Labour party with the same brush.They both target ethnic groups.
edy • August 10, 2018 10:29 AM BST
I agree with your other point in so far, that "mere" racism isn't enough to be considered far-right. That alone only qualifies someone as a massive jerk.