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lux
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The following was posted on a discussion on the facebook page Hope Not Hate, it's a shame relatively few people will get to read it so i've reproduced it here...

I hate the Liberal Left.

Yes. I absolutely cannot stand these people any longer, to such an extent that I am leaving Western Europe forever and moving to Poland.

I myself am a conservative leftist, not a so-called “liberal” one. I just want a fairer society for the working class, I don’t want to live in a country full of political correctness and terrorism. I’m a socialist and a nationalist, very much in sympathy with Marine Le Pen.

Something happened recently which, more than anything else I’ve ever experienced, perfectly encapsulates why it is that I hate the Liberal Left.

Someone on Facebook asked for people’s opinions on Tommy Robinson, saying that he wanted to avoid inhabiting an echo chamber. However, this man does indeed live in an echo chamber consisting of all the usual suspects: loud-mouthed young hipsters in their 20s and 30s who now live in London but originally come from somewhere else, mostly places where there aren’t many ethnic minorities. The men all have hairy faces and the women, presumably, all have hairy armpits. Middle-class narcissists. Every single one of them oozing with self-satisfaction, tripping over themselves to prove how virtuous and not-racist they are, convinced of their own superiority, convinced that every word they say is right and that they couldn’t possibly ever be wrong.

The nationalist activist Tommy Robinson had recently been jailed for thirteen months for contempt of court, for filming outside the trial of a paedophile rape gang. These rape gangs (according to Maajid Nawaz of the anti-extremist Quilliam Foundation) are 84% Muslim. Their victims – underage girls as young as eleven – are almost entirely from the white working class.

Tommy Robinson has been in prison before, for things like mortgage fraud, and on these occasions the British state have deliberately incarcerated him in prison wings populated by violent Muslim gangsters who want to kill him.

And so the Facebook echo chamber began, all about what a terrible person Tommy Robinson is, and how he is just a nasty racist who hates brown people. No evidence was shown of course, that he hates brown people. Just the usual liberal-leftist conflation of “Muslims” with “brown people”, even though plenty of brown people are Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, atheists etc, and plenty of Muslims are not brown.

These are the same liberal leftists who are more than happy to spit abuse at Christians – that’s fine of course, because Christians are not a race. But Muslims are, apparently, and they are above (or below?...) criticism.

I decided to put my two pennies’ worth into this “debate” (made up entirely of people agreeing with each other), and pointed out that with the rape gangs, 84% of the offenders come from one community and 99% of the victims come from another. That the girls who were raped were specifically chosen because they were white. That they were often racially abused, called “white slags” and “white trash” and so on. And therefore that what made these crimes particularly awful was that they were not only sexual abuse, but racism as well. And that Tommy Robinson has simply been defending his own community, his own tribe, his own people, against the attacks of another. It’s called loyalty.

But nobody seemed to care. Racism against white people is not something that liberal leftists care to oppose. And loyalty is not a concept that they understand.

I then turned the situation around and asked them to imagine a scenario where gangs of white British paedophiles were going around exclusively raping underage black girls – only black girls, never white girls. And that the police and authorities had covered up the problem for years.

I suggested that, in that scenario, the black community would be outraged. They would be on the streets, protesting and probably rioting. There would be civil unrest. And that actually, that would be the correct response. That would be the normal, natural, instinctual, human response.

How did the liberal leftists react to that point? They said that, in such a scenario, they hoped that not only black people would be outraged, but that everyone would get together and support them!

Right...... So, if it was black children getting raped by white men, then we should all be absolutely furious and should stand in solidarity with the black community and show them nothing but our deepest empathy and respect in their struggle.

But, as it’s only white working-class children getting raped by Muslims, we have to say nothing, and it’s not a problem, and anybody who complains about it is a brainless, bigoted, far-right, racist, ignorant, Brexit-voting, tabloid-reading, uneducated, hateful, intolerant, vile scumbag, and what Tommy Robinson is doing is, apparently, completely disgusting.

And there – in a nutshell – is why I hate the Liberal Left.

There, in a nutshell, we see the Liberal Left’s complete hypocrisy and double standards. We see their traitorous disregard for their own people, their disregard for the working class, and their sickening, grovelling, rectum-licking favouritism towards ethnic and cultural minorities.

Most of all, we see their complete lack of self-awareness. They can’t even see their own glaring, outrageous, racist hypocrisy.

Nor can they see that they are the hysterical, hate-spewing, slogan-dribbling, brainwashed automatons that George Orwell imagined in ‘1984’. They have no self-awareness. That is how stupid they are. And yet they believe themselves to be intellectuals, to be vastly intellectually and morally superior to those stupid knuckle-dragging “right-wingers”, “racists”, “Islamophobes” and “fascists” who are really just normal people who want to defend their own community.

The Liberal Left are utterly despicable.

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Report Reynard August 9, 2018 3:36 PM BST
PS> Was point Number 3 intended for your Henry vacuum ????
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 3:39 PM BST
Certainly I would describe both as extreme right wing, Reynard.
What, you think we were all taken in by Rees-Mogg's concern for the wretched masses' access to cheap-footwear?
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 3:40 PM BST
PS> Was point Number 3 intended for your Henry vacuum ????

The Perrier is awarded in Edinburgh.
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 3:40 PM BST
edy
09 Aug 18 15:33
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Also looking forward to IT never using the term leftist again after today.

^

A leftist stands for social justice, more state ownership, higher taxes for the rich, diversity for the sake of it and usually open borders.

The far left stand for communism, ownership of the means of production by the 'people', diversity and open borders.

UB cannot define what 'far-right' means and what people he defines as such stand for.
Report edy August 9, 2018 3:41 PM BST
If that's your definition, you are using it very loosely and plain wrong in a lot of cases.
Report edy August 9, 2018 3:41 PM BST
Maybe therefore it would be the wise thing to refrain from using it.
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 3:42 PM BST
Again, IT, I have supplied the dictionary definition.
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 3:43 PM BST
I cannot believe that I've offered to have a reasoned debate with someone who :-

a) Labels Jacob Rees-Mogg as an extremist of the right-wing variety ,
b) Uses the phrase "Suck it up" as a bona-fide bullet point !

However I'll give it a go ......
Report edy August 9, 2018 3:45 PM BST

Aug 9, 2018 -- 3:39PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:


Certainly I would describe both as extreme right wing, Reynard.What, you think we were all taken in by Rees-Mogg's concern for the wretched masses' access to cheap-footwear?


That was always a scam. The EU already has zero tariffs with many of the poorest countries around, for all products except arms. For one reason or another, however, the imports that our companies do, remain to be raw products (which they then turn into industrial products and sell the poor countries....)

Tariffs ain't the problem.

Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 3:45 PM BST
You never did answer, IT. As you plainly don't get out much, where do you go for your views online?
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 3:48 PM BST
My views comes from reading, watching and discussing the key issues.
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 3:58 PM BST
So, if I TOLD you what your views are, IT, would you think that was spooky?
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 4:03 PM BST
Not spooky . I'm sure IT is used to being labelled as Fascist , Racist , Nazi , Islamaphobic etc, as does anyone who voices an opinion regarded as being to the 'right' of conservative .
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 4:17 PM BST
Not sure if you have read the whole thread, Reynard (I have not) but back along it has been noted that Insider Trader parrots the Far Right line to an extent that would be eerie except for the obvious explanation - he and countless others are getting their views from the same source, which is Far-Right.
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 4:19 PM BST
I have to admit that I haven't read the whole thread in it's entirety but I will take a look in more detail when I have the time .
Thanks for that , Reynard
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 4:23 PM BST
However , I have to confess that I treat with extreme suspicion and caution the views of those who glean their information from mainstream media outlets who are subject to Government censorship (my belief) and other such agenda-driven channels who continually feed establishment propaganda to the masses (again , my opinion) .
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 4:51 PM BST
UB as you do not even know what the 'far-right' is how would you know what a 'far-right' source was?

The main sourced links I put on here is the BBC. Is that 'far-right'?
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 4:54 PM BST
Name a subject IT, and I'll tell you your view about it:
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 4:56 PM BST
BBC !!!! IT ffs ! You've just gone right down in my estimation hahaha
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 5:01 PM BST
Ok UB. Betfair charges.
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 5:04 PM BST
No, IT, lol, it has to be something that Breibart guides you on..
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 5:11 PM BST
Ok. Catholic child sex offenders. Abortion. Open marriages.
Report Reynard August 9, 2018 5:12 PM BST
I'm quite thankful that Mr Biscuit has declined my invite of reasoned dialogue .

The entertainment value would hardly seem worth the effort Grin
Report moisok August 9, 2018 5:20 PM BST
here comes the foreign input - coming from the country that actually had a nazi in charge
Report moisok August 9, 2018 5:21 PM BST
I am polishing my jackboots as we speak
My new armband looks splendid
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 5:22 PM BST
1) Insider Trader has a very low tolerance for Catholic child sex offenders. Whatever you want to do to them, he wants you to do it while the Catholic child sex offender is doused in petrol and IT is playing with a Zippo lighter.
2) Insider Trader is pro-life. If he was outside, he would be outside an abortion clinic, making any woman going in for an abortion feel absolutely s**t.
3) Open marriages. Why not? That's how "open minded" Insider Trader is.
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 5:27 PM BST
1. Correct I have a low tolerance but I do not wish them any harm. Just want them in jail where they cannot hurt kids again.
2. I am not against abortion in the early stages. It is up to the woman to decide.
3. It is up the individuals concerned to do what they like.

How do your answers differ UB?
Report lux August 9, 2018 5:28 PM BST
I think i’ve said this earlier on this thread but it’s a bats**t crazy world we live in if criticising an ideology (Islam) that is by any reasonable standard truly “far (ultra) right” somehow situates you as being …drum roll….. far right !!…

This is an issue (defending the continued existence of a liberal western democracy) that trasnscends such a simplistic paradigm. The regressive left are happy to criticise those on the traditional right, Tories, Trump etc but bend over backwards in the defence of something way, way to the right of that (Islam) ...  This is Twilight Zone territory but even more twisted.

???
Report moisok August 9, 2018 5:28 PM BST
no answer to the labour voters and members who also dislike the immigration, burka, remain issues  - are they alt right too??
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 5:31 PM BST
Pro-fracking?
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 5:37 PM BST
https://unherd.com/2018/04/many-left-wing-progressives-protest-pope-silent-i...
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 5:39 PM BST
Yes, I take your point, lux.
Islam has a problem with multi-cultural society, according to many teachings.
But Tommy Robinson is a glove puppet of the Far-Right, so alienates a lot of mainstream support.
Report moisok August 9, 2018 5:41 PM BST
pro fracking?  - I think we should dig up all the coal first

fore hundred years worth left

and it hasn't stopped the chinese 

any way - is that a rite wing or a left wing thing - loads of jobs for minors

that has put biscuit crumbs in his plaice
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 5:42 PM BST
UB I gave you three and my response.

Can you please explain your views on these three topics and how your views differ from mine.
Report aaronh August 9, 2018 5:50 PM BST
a person who called The Guardian and HuffPo extreme left wing getting mad about a perceived unfair use of 'far right'


CrazyCrazyCrazy
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 5:52 PM BST
Well, I COULD Insider Trader; but this thread is about your drone-like conformity to the Far-Right agenda.
I thought that I nailed you pretty well with your first three political subjects, but perhaps others can do even better?
Next three please:
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 6:01 PM BST
So broadly you have the same views UB?

If not where do you disagree?
Report edy August 9, 2018 6:02 PM BST
aaronh • August 9, 2018 5:50 PM BST
a person who called The Guardian and HuffPo extreme left wing


What extreme bullshitter would ever spout such utter nonsense?
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 6:07 PM BST
edy any chance you could help UB out telling him what the characteristics are of someone who is 'far-right'?

Or are you just here to troll again?
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 6:11 PM BST
This is an examination of Insider Trader's sublimation to the Far-Right message, as experienced by one who "doesn't get out much."
As such, others' views on IT's chosen subjects are not up for scrutiny. But IT's views over a whole range of subjects are.
Report aaronh August 9, 2018 6:12 PM BST
edy is a lovely chap who has never trolled before
Report edy August 9, 2018 6:12 PM BST
Pointing out weak, hypocritical even, points in someone's argumentations should not be considered trolling unless of course you use that description in an attempt to curb my enthusiasm.
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 6:16 PM BST
UB,

I can only assume from your refusal to answer whether you agree with my views or not means you do agree with them and your are too embarrassed to admit it.

Otherwise answer.
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 6:47 PM BST
My views are not in question.
The suspicion with Insider Trader, and many other "plastic Tommy" brigade keyboard-warriors is:
their arguments are often more erudite and informed than they, as individuals, seem to be.
Your next three hobby-horses please, IT:
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2018 7:00 PM BST
Your views are certainly in question given you do not know what people who are 'far right' actually stand for.

Are your views on those three questions broadly the same as mine or do you take the opposite views and:
1. Approve of child abuse.
2. Disapprove of all abortion.
3. Disapprove of open marriage.
Report unitedbiscuits August 9, 2018 7:11 PM BST
IT, your moves are about as crude as a robot-wars robot on Strictly Come Dancing.
Far-Right fan-boy.
Report Dr Crippen August 9, 2018 7:37 PM BST
To be classed as far right someone has to meet certain criteria.

UB is a communist so that makes him a totalitarian.
Therefore he has more in common with the far-right and fascism than any of us.

He's insulting himself as well when he slags off the far-right.
Report Dr Crippen August 9, 2018 7:48 PM BST
1. Noun. the extreme right wing of a political party or group.
2. Adjective. belonging to or representing the views of the extreme right wing of a political party or group.
3. Suck it up.


Anti-Semitism is one of the most defining traits of the far-right, we're all agreed on that.

So where does UB's dictionary definition place the anti-Semitists in the Labour party?

The far-right of Labour? When Labour is a left-wing party.
Report edy August 9, 2018 8:10 PM BST
anti-semitism has always been the one thing to unite and bring together people from all over the political spectrum Love
Report Dr Crippen August 9, 2018 8:51 PM BST
No it hasn't, that's simply your way of playing down the mess that Labour finds themselves in.

The term far right must also apply to Labour if it is valid in the case of Tommy Robinson.

Both are targeting ethnic groups, which is a trait of the right used as the criterion here.
Report moisok August 9, 2018 9:04 PM BST
this lot love to gang up 

they did it to corbyn and still do,  farage, the eu election vote, brexit , ukip boris etc etc etc
Report twizzle22 August 9, 2018 9:14 PM BST
Dear friend of Tommy Robinson,

Tommy just phoned me.

He’s supposed to be having a quiet vacation with his family.

But he can’t.

He’s had to go to the hospital twice, because of the physical abuse he suffered in prison.

They starved him. He lost 40 pounds in two months. He clearly has a form of post-traumatic stress, too, from being locked up in solitary confinement for so long, and being constantly threatened with violence from Muslim prison gangs.

You can see that just by watching the video of him when he was released. He’s not quite himself yet.

He will get better.

Even just being out of prison, and playing with his kids, will help him heal.

But Tommy told me the bad news: they want to send him back to prison.

Three weeks from now.

September 4, at Old Bailey.

It’s outrageous.

Just last week the Court of Appeal confirmed that Tommy was improperly tried, improperly convicted, improperly sentenced, and improperly imprisoned. That’s why they set him free. It was a total vindication of everything Tommy had said.

But now the UK government wants to do it all over again.

Here, watch this short video, I’ll explain:



They’re not done with Tommy.

They want to put him through a second trial — for the exact same thing, his Facebook livestream that day back in May, in Leeds.

They want to put him in prison again.

That will probably kill him.

You saw him after two months in solitary confinement. Now imagine him after 13 months.

Tommy is in jeopardy. So Tommy phoned me and asked me to help him one more time.

Just until he’s better.

And I told him I would.

Tommy asked me to send this e-mail to everyone who signed up to his own website, letting them know what’s happening. He approved this e-mail.

He needs help to pay for the lawyers — because they’ve got to prepare for that September hearing.

So I’ve talked to the lawyers. They’re already working on it.

And I’ve set up the SaveTommy.com crowdfunding page again.

The British government has unlimited funds. I think they’re trying to break Tommy — physically, psychologically and now financially.

There’s no way he can do this by himself. But if enough of us stand together with him, we’ve got a chance.

Can you please go to SaveTommy.com to help? 100% of the funds will go to pay for the lawyers. Any surplus will go to Tommy’s wife and kids.

I thought we were done last week with the Court of Appeal victory. But we’re not. The UK government wants to fight with Tommy — now that they think he’s weakened.

Well, they forgot about one thing — they forgot about us, didn’t they?

Please go to SaveTommy.com — and let’s help our friend one last time.

Yours truly,

Ezra Levant

P.S. Please help with Tommy’s legal fees. His lawyers need to prepare for the case immediately. You can do that here.

P.P.S. We’re also starting a massive petition, that we will personally deliver to the new Attorney General, demanding that they suspend their persecution of Tommy. He’s already served two months in prison improperly — it’s astounding that the UK government wants him to serve more time. Please sign our petition here.
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Report edy August 9, 2018 9:19 PM BST

Aug 9, 2018 -- 8:51PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


No it hasn't, that's simply your way of playing down the mess that Labour finds themselves in. The term far right must also apply to Labour if it is valid in the case of Tommy Robinson.Both are targeting ethnic groups, which is a trait of the right used as the criterion here.


uh...no, anti-semitism has never been exclusive to the far-right, or far-left, or centre, or anything.

As two very wise men agreed in 2016

edy • December 22, 2016 10:46 AM GMT

The NSDAP was a mixture. Throw in some social crumbs towards the massively struggling workership to secure their support, coupled with stranger blaming ethno-nationalism and a strong authoritarian leaderhip. Overall, the party was nowhere near socialist. It was propaganda. The key point of socialism is to put the means of production into social ownership and democratic control. Hitler was a strong opponent of that and never even dreamed of doing that despite having totalitarian power.

The part that ended up making the NSDAP and Germany dangerous was the strong ethno-nationalism, which resulted in mass exclusion, murders and war to take the living space from undeserving "sub-humans" and occupy it with people of the much superior ethnicity.

Also, if you truly think liberalism and socialism are one and the same, you're badly mistaken too.

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Dr Crippen • December 22, 2016 11:00 AM GMT
That's correct edy,

Hitler talked about nationalising the banks at one point, but as soon as the Nazis gained power all that was abandoned and they even abolished the unions.

The Nazis openly demonstrated their hatred of the Jews. Yet that did not deter those on the left from supporting them.
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edy • December 22, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
There has long been lingering anti-semitism among the left too, yes. The supposed "money-jew" as their opponent back then. Now the anti-semitism in form of putting Israel under scrutinty and suspicion that *probably* wouldn't happen if it was any random non-jewish state with the same policies and problems.

Report timbuctooth August 9, 2018 10:13 PM BST
Extremist muslims? Tick
School shootings? Tick
Child abuse? Tick
Infanticide? Tick
Exorcisms? Tick

Will our lefties dare criticise islam, even after this? Probably not.

Man arrested at 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings: documents


Children at compound were being trained for school attacks

11 malnourished children rescued from a New Mexico compound linked to 'extremist Muslims' were being trained to commit school shootings, court documents show; William La Jeunesse reports.

The father of a missing 3-year-old who was arrested at a New Mexico compound linked to "extremist Muslims" last week was training children to commit school shootings, court documents filed on Wednesday revealed.

Prosecutors allege Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 39, was conducting weapons training on the compound, where 11 children were found hungry and living in squalor. They asked Wahhaj, who appeared in court on Wednesday, be held without bail.
new mexico compound

Prosecutors alleged in court documents filed Wednesday that Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 39, was training children to commit school shootings.  Wahhaj is the son of a Brooklyn imam, also named Siraj Wahhaj, who was named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the New York Post reported.

Authorities raided the compound on Friday after a monthslong search investigating the disappearance of Abdul-ghani Wahhaj, a boy with severe medical issues who went missing from Georgia in December.

DAD ARRESTED AT 'EXTREMIST' NEW MEXICO COMPOUND PLANNED 'EXORCISM,' TIED TO TERROR-LINKED IMAM, REPORT SAYS

On Monday, a child's remains were found on the property, but authorities were working on a positive identification and did not confirm if the remains were that of the missing boy.

Lucas Morton, Jany Leveille, 35, Hujrah Wahhaj, 38, and Subhannah Wahhaj, 35, were also arrested on the property on Friday and all face child abuse charges.
The makeshift compound — located near the Colorado border — was found shielded by old tires, wooden pallets and other debris. Upon authorities' arrival, Wahhaj was "heavily armed with an AR15 rifle, five loaded 30 round magazines, and four loaded pistols, including one in his pocket when he was taken down," Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe said.

The sheriff said the children, ages 1 to 15, "looked like third world country refugees not only with no food or fresh water, but with no shoes, personal hygiene and basically dirty rags for clothing.”

New Mexico compound believed to have Islamic extremist ties

The only food investigators found were some potatoes and a box of rice inside a dirty trailer, the sheriff said, adding that the living conditions were “the ugliest looking, filthiest” he’s ever seen.

Hogrefe previously said the occupants of the compound were "most likely heavily armed and considered extremist of the Muslim belief."

In a warrant made public on Monday, Wahhaj told the missing boy's mother that he wanted to perform an "exorcism" on his then-3-year-old son because he was "possessed by the devil." The missing child reportedly suffered from seizures and couldn't walk.
This Aug. 5, 2018 photo shows debris outside the location where people camped near Amalia, N.M. Three women believed to be the mothers of 11 children found hungry and living in a filthy makeshift compound in rural northern New Mexico have been arrested, following the weekend arrests of two men, authorities said Monday, Aug. 6.

Wahhaj’s family background was already controversial prior to his arrest.

In addition to his father reportedly being named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 bombing, the elder Wahhaj, who heads Masjid At-Taqwa mosque, was a character witness in the trial for Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the notorious “blind sheikh” who was convicted in 1995 of plotting terror attacks in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/08/man-arrested-at-new-mexico-compound-was-training-kids-to-commit-school-shootings-court-documents-say.html
Report trilby22 August 10, 2018 9:29 AM BST
Thank you that, Twizz.

Signed!

SaveTommy.com
Report trilby22 August 10, 2018 9:29 AM BST
https://www.therebel.media/save_tommy_robinson_again
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 9:51 AM BST
uh...no, anti-semitism has never been exclusive to the far-right, or far-left, or centre, or anything.

So if targeting ethnic groups is not what qualifies people to be called far-right then what does?

How can Tommy Robinson be called far right for targeting an ethnic group when those doing similar in the Labour party are not?

What exactly qualifies Tommy Robinson for being called far-right?
Report edy August 10, 2018 10:05 AM BST
By Dr Crippen on 21 Jan 15 17:09
Islam is not a race.


Also, IT posted a wikipedia definition of what constitutes far-right earlier.
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 10:22 AM BST
So you cant answer the question yourself?
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 10:27 AM BST
Here it is again, in your own words.

What exactly qualifies Tommy Robinson for being called far-right?
Report edy August 10, 2018 10:28 AM BST
I believe there are some rather strong nationalistic and reactionary tendencies to him.
Report edy August 10, 2018 10:29 AM BST
I agree with your other point in so far, that "mere" racism isn't enough to be considered far-right. That alone only qualifies someone as a massive jerk.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 10:31 AM BST
He’s a conservative with a small c, perhaps a liberal
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 10:33 AM BST
the old fashioned sort
Report edy August 10, 2018 10:35 AM BST
No, the old fashioned sort of conservative was steadfast, law-abiding, always mannered, hard working, just towards everyone.
Report edy August 10, 2018 10:36 AM BST
This new wave of paranoid crybaby conspiracy loving wannabe conservatives are putting eternal shame on proper conservatives.
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 10:37 AM BST
I believe there are some rather strong nationalistic and reactionary tendencies to him.

Well lets have them.
Report edy August 10, 2018 11:01 AM BST
Simply assuming that someone who was a member of the British National Party, leader of a group called English Defence League, and member of British Freedom party at various points in his life might have some nationalistic tendencies. Could of course be wrong.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 11:30 AM BST
I wasn’t giving him a character reference edy , merely commentating on his political viewpoint
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 11:33 AM BST
You see the old fashioned socialist was hard working , steadfast, well mannered , law abiding , just towards everyone in the past as well

At least in England
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 11:43 AM BST
They may still exist I suppose , anythings possible
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 11:44 AM BST
Dennis Healy was once a member of the Communist party.

He held many senior positions in the Labour party, and even went on to become deputy leader of the Labour party.
According to edy's thinking we had a Marxist working in the government.

You'll have to do better than that edy.

TR is not a member of any of those groups you mention.
Report edy August 10, 2018 11:48 AM BST
I'll remember that next time you declare McDonnell a Marxist.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:02 PM BST
We never know what they are until they are in power and have total power
That is what has saved us in Britain , we the people have the power
Of course that can change , let’s see how Brexit goes
If they do not leave the EU completely and totally then the power has shifted from us ,to them

That’s very dangerous
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 12:06 PM BST
What makes you think McDonnell has abandoned the communist ideology?
He seems reluctant to say it.
Report edy August 10, 2018 12:07 PM BST
Didn't you just claim that people with senior positions in the Labour party can't be Marxist?
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 12:18 PM BST
How did I do that?
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:19 PM BST
The point is in Britain it doesn’t matter he will not get elected as a Marxist , Healy did not get elected as a Marxist
The Labour Party was not Marxist and could not act like Marxists when in power

The danger is if that changes
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:21 PM BST
It’s not possible to be a Marxist in that sense in Britain
Why ? because to be a Marxist means you need to overthrow democracy
You see it’s impossibke to be a Marxist in a democracy
Report edy August 10, 2018 12:21 PM BST
It sounded like you meant to say Dennis Healy, having been a former member of the communist party, wasn't a marxist on the simple basis of having held senior positions in the labour party. I guess then you meant to say he had joined the communist party by accident and never shared their beliefs.

Just like Tommy Robinson joined three nationalistic groups/parties at different times by accident. Not cool of you to insist on him being a proper moron who would have that happen to him that many times. Not cool at all, buddy.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:24 PM BST
I am saying it doesn’t matter , he can’t do anything whatsoever unless we allow it
Marxists don’t like that , and that’s why effectively he wasn’t one , he may or may not have been
We didn’t allow it
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 12:24 PM BST
You still can't show how Tommy Robinson can be of the far-right, without tarring anti-Semitic members of the Labour party with the same brush.

They both target ethnic groups.
Report edy August 10, 2018 12:24 PM BST
along with him buddying up with identitarians by accident.
Report edy August 10, 2018 12:24 PM BST

Aug 10, 2018 -- 12:24PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


You still can't show how Tommy Robinson can be of the far-right, without tarring anti-Semitic members of the Labour party with the same brush.They both target ethnic groups.


edy • August 10, 2018 10:29 AM BST
I agree with your other point in so far, that "mere" racism isn't enough to be considered far-right. That alone only qualifies someone as a massive jerk.

Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 12:28 PM BST
McDonnell is careful not denounce Marxism, because should he ever be in a position of power and were criticised for implementing communist ideology, he could turn around and say ''well I never said I wasn't a communist and you elected me.''
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:35 PM BST
As long as people can vote , he can’t hide
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:39 PM BST
Now the danger is that he , and people like him , and those who would vote for those people
Will try and stop people voting , that’s what they can not be trusted not to try and do
They are trying now to do that with Brexit
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:45 PM BST
We see the same people in America trying their darndest to overthrow Trump
And they don’t care how they do it
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:47 PM BST
They don’t care how people vote
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:50 PM BST
As the op says , that is the ‘liberal left ‘
, they can only be what they are , that is what they are like
Report edy August 10, 2018 12:53 PM BST
You and them could turn out to be more alike than you think. Anything's possible.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 12:55 PM BST
Yes , isnt it reprehensible : )
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 1:05 PM BST
That’s exactly why voting is so important
Don’t treat that so cavalierly , as is happening now
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 1:07 PM BST
We voted to leave the EU edy , let’s see what happens
Report edy August 10, 2018 1:08 PM BST
Let's hope for the best for all invovled parties :)
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2018 1:16 PM BST
Yes that lovely things like that are possible , is a lovely thought
Report moisok August 10, 2018 2:24 PM BST
Increase in anti-semitism in Landan over last ten years.
What other increase has taken place that my have affected this surge?  Any ideas please?
Report Dr Crippen August 10, 2018 2:54 PM BST
Yes moisok, quite predictable really.

But as usual the Britanniaphobes will bury their heads in the sand or look the other way.
Report moisok August 10, 2018 2:55 PM BST
You only have to go into town to see it happening. Just count the heads.
Report treetop August 10, 2018 9:19 PM BST
Increase in anti-semitism in Landan over last ten years.

The liberal left would stand on their heads and deny this is due to the obvious changes in the demographic spread in Lundon town.
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