lfc - "what is the percentage of the muslim population in Britain?"   If you re-phrase the question, you'll be having that info at your fingertips imo lfc.

and while your at it what is the equivalent percentage of the population of "Brigain" that is Jewish.  Same issue for you!!, or should be.

Here is the whole article from Vet on Line and Lord Trees' stuff.  Worth reading the whole thing.  What is strange (or not) is that it singles out ritual Muslim slaughter but ignores shechita (Jewish ritual slaughter)

Curb rise in non-stun slaughter, says Lord Trees. EU law dictates that all animals must be stunned before slaughter, but exceptions apply for the Muslim and Jewish faiths.Vet issues rallying cry to tackle ‘the elephant in the room’

Alexander Trees, the only veterinary surgeon in the House of Lords, is urging the government and religious leaders to take steps to curb the rise in animal slaughter without pre-stunning.

The comments come in the wake of recent figures from the Food Standards Agency (FSA), which suggest the number of sheep and poultry not stunned has been rising in the UK. Over three million sheep are slaughtered without pre-stunning each year, which represents a rise of around 50 per cent between 2011 and 2017. The number of non-stunned cattle declined over the same period.

EU law dictates that all animals must be stunned before slaughter, but exceptions apply for the Muslim and Jewish faiths. Writing an editorial in today’s Vet Record (16 February), Lord Trees highlighted concerns that much of the meat from non-stunned animals is making its way into the standard food chain.

Whilst environment secretary Michael Gove has announced a number of progressive animal welfare measures in recent months - including compulsory CCTV in all slaughterhouses - Lord Trees said now is the time to address ‘the elephant in the room’.

He acknowledged that this is ‘a difficult issue because of its religious dimension’ but pointed out that many imams and halal authorities accept reversible stunning, and the majority of halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter - 63 per cent of sheep and 75 per cent of cattle.

Whilst the BVA and many in the government would prefer that all animals are stunned before slaughter, demanding a ban is problematic, politically and possibly legally.

Lord Trees continued: ‘Personally, I have preferred that we marshal public opinion and seek to persuade the relevant religious leaders to reconsider their historic position - a position based on public health measures that were sound many hundreds of years ago but are now archaic and insupportable.

‘The religious leaders have the power to end the practice of non-stun slaughter and the onus to do so should be firmly put at their door.’

Meanwhile, he called for several measures ‘against which there can be no rational or legal objection’. These include installing CCTV in all abattoirs and clear labelling to allow consumers to avoid meat from non-stunned animals if they wish. There is also a need to accurately determine the amount of meat needed for religious communities who require non-stunned slaughter, in order to ensure that only sufficient numbers of animals are killed without pre-stunning.

Lord Trees concluded with a rallying cry to vets: ‘If ever there was an issue on which the veterinary profession could unite, this is surely it. Let our voices be heard loud and clear.’

thanks for that blackbarn, its ok we already knew that
pity you never mentioned it yesterday

thanks for that blackbarn, its ok we already knew that
pity you never mentioned it yesterday

thanks for that blackbarn, its ok we already knew that
pity you never mentioned it yesterday

I think he's unwell.

lfc - this will keep you amused and fuel your agenda. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/424133/response/1030496/attach/3/FOI%202077%20Response.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

blackbarn    07 Jun 18 21:45 
and while your at it what is the equivalent percentage of the population of "Brigain" that is Jewish.  Same issue for you!!, or should be.



I don't think the majority of schools are forced to serve kosher meat to everyone, to please Jewish people, are they?

lfc - I bet you hadn't read my 22.16 link!!!!, when you posted at 22.22.   Oh the joys of ignorance, it's an article that fits your agenda, but it passed you by.

I see that the debate about halal slaughter is still going strong, when the original issue is force feeding of halal food in schools. No wonder politicians don't face any objections when executing their policies and agenda. They just do it with one hand and show a green flag with the other and the public bangs its head straight into the green flag.

lfc - because I didn't know, and because it is not reflected in the numbers of any other authoritative body, and it means nothing without context and background volumes.
Hth.  Did you read my 22.16 link???

Another vet website - "Veterinary Practice" - November last year...

"Humane slaughter is widely recognised as a part of good animal welfare practice, with the essential part of the procedure being the use of stunning, to ensure that it is sensation- and pain-free. However, according to survey gures released by the Food Standards Agency (FSA), almost one quarter (24.4%) of sheep and goats slaughtered between April and June this year had their throats cut while conscious – an increase from 15% in 2013. The number of chickens slaughtered without pre-stunning has risen from 3% in 2013 to 18.5% in 2017".

Dr Willhelm Schulze from Leipzig determined long time ago that halal way was indeed the best way and the western way of stunning actually caused more pain than the islamic way of slaughter. You mugs don't know what you are talking about.

I don’t know Blackbarn I’m only going by what I’ve read on this thread
And you left out a pretty important piece of information

I accept it may not have been deliberate and it was more the case that you didn’t know what you were talking about
That’s ok .

So you don't do any research of your own - you merely believe (or slag off) what you read on here - Fine!

Re my posts, read them all again (there aren't many) and then come back with which bits you don't agree with. I left nothing knowingly out, and have posted loads of stuff that clearly suits you view of things. 

For the avoidance of doubt, I am opposed to slaughter without pre-stunning (except for fowls) and I fully support the labelling of meat that shows that the animal has been prestunned (no point having this for fowls) to show that the animal has been pre-stunned. I have no objection for any ritually slaughtered meat to be so labelled as long as clearly labelled as such (with the assumption that this will not have been pre-stunned). I would like fowls to be similarly labelled to provide choice.

lfc - do you mean this important piece of information?

The article says - "Over three million sheep are slaughtered without pre-stunning each year, which represents a rise of around 50 per cent between 2011 and 2017. The number of non-stunned cattle declined over the same period".

Taking just sheep, this would mean that the 80% figure regularly quoted by various sources for stunned vs unstunned would be about right.  Quoting the number of unstunned sheep is meaningless without know the total sheep population slaughtered. Also articles don't make it clear whether this relates to uk slaughter or includes Lamb slaughtered abroad. We know that the bulk of NZ Lamb is halal.

Any thoughts?   See how I continue to provide you with evidence that suits your agenda that you can't find for yourself.

My other questions remain.....So you don't do any research of your own? - you merely believe (or slag off) what you read on here?

Re my posts, read them all again (there aren't many) and then come back with which bits you don't agree with. I left nothing knowingly out, and have posted loads of stuff that clearly suits you view of things.

Well sorry you had plenty of time yesterday to mention this fact and you never did ,
Why not ?

I'd say blackbarn was trying to mislead us by painting a rosy picture to play down the vile practice.

So what is his agenda?

slowly the influence will increase

Assuming that blackbarn does indeed have an agenda(let's say he is a muslim trying to justify hala slaughter here). Why do you think he would need to convince you of his agenda? As it happens, he controls the education ministry to an extent that he can enforce halal food in schools and can slaughter unstunned animals at will. Do you think he still needs to convince the sheep that halal slaughter is good? He already has enough power(which is what we are all whining about)

No, that's the best I can express myself in English. Sorry, not my first language.